Crime Inc. Produces Thoughtful, Nuanced Episode About Piracy (Haha, Just Kidding! Cue Scary Music)
from the too-bad dept
Earlier this year, after a series of long and detailed phone calls in which I tried to explain to producers of CNBC's 'Crime Inc.' why the claims about "piracy" were exaggerated, and how conflating physical bootlegging and unauthorized digital downloads was a mistake, we did a filmed interview that took place over a few hours in San Francisco. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, they'd be able to present the story of copyright infringement with a bit of nuance, rather than the typical "run for your lives! theft! piracy! gangsters!" Unfortunately, it appears that the show went in the other direction and did the cliche and totally bogus storyline that digital downloads are a form of organized crime costing billions. I haven't yet seen the whole program, but judging from the show's online description and "extras" along with its video preview, this is going to be more of the same garbage:One of the "extras" shows ICE boss John Morton gleefully talking about seizing and forfeiting domain names -- which is odd timing given that just yesterday the feds had to give back one of those domain names because Morton and his crew totally screwed up. But don't bet on seeing that in this report.
The show officially airs today (times depend on where you are). I have no idea if any of my footage even made it into the show, but given the positioning of everything shown on the website, it wouldn't surprise me if the points I made about how much of this is exaggerated and misleading don't make it into the episode, or if they do, they're presented completely out of context. So much for trying to bring a little sanity to reporting on these things. I guess reporting on reality, rather than the industry's spin, just doesn't play on cable news.
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The First Word
“I'm a media professional too!
I work for one of those major media companies making movies for your enjoyment. I am union, and while by no means wealthy, have a family wage job with health insurance. My bosses higher up in the corporation replace their fancy cars every 4 years because they are wealthy, because their company has been making record profits this last decade, this in spite of piracy. This at the same time as they try to screw us in contract negotiations, actually proposing a wage freeze and rolling back benefits.Not making a good living selling your media? That's because you are not part of the 1%. There is plenty of profit being made. As for me I hope my corporate masters pull their heads out of their asses, realize obscenely profitable DVD sales are not ever coming back, and start making their (our) products available for download/streaming in all markets at reasonable price points so his industry can move into the 21st century!
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I think they just always forget to mention that the majority of the money that piracy is costing is in the bribes, I mean donations, and the 'enforcement'.
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Who knew?
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Oh wait. That would be copyright infringement, wouldn't it?
Bummer.
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Hollywood's Ability to reach my Wallet has been removed due to me forever Censoring your Greedy Asshole Studios from ever getting a dime from me.
I can find a ton of Indie & Local Art to choose from.I do not need the shite you put out.Nor do I need to take the shite you want to force on us.
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The only thing I think I see from old school media these days are lies and sensationalism. I am regularly battling horribly skewed and misinformed views at work and other places. From those conversations I can say that slowly but surely people are realizing that the old news sources are complete bunk.
Blogs with links and comments are the way to go for news these days in my opinion. That way you can see people point out mistakes if they are made in the blog too.
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I don't know about Mike, but it annoys the hell out of me when piracy (or any subject for that matter) is portrayed untruthfully*.
*Yes Virginia, lies of omission are still lies.
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Not quite, boy.
It should read...
"Mike Masnick just hates it whenever "piracy" is portrayed inaccurately."
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What possible reason would they have to tell the truth?
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Poor gatekeepers
I wonder if they are going to show us some poor guy who can no longer afford his summer house or the payments on his new Bentley.
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Then I'd say "the truth hurts, doesn't it?", but it's clear you sociopaths have no feelings.
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That was him connecting with fans.
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Otherwise, you bring about your own demise. Sorry.
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Your parents obviously did a piss-poor job of raising you.
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You people all know this already. Your circular debate tactics never make sense and don't fool anyone.
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Remember, verifiable statistics show that people who download illegally pay more to artists then those who don't. So if you're not getting enough money to pay for your expensive ass equipment, then maybe you should think about advertising and not posting as AC.
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Join the fecking club, princess.
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You're a sociopath.
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That word does not mean what you think it means.
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Customers are the judge of that, not you, and it sounds like they've spoken.
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This statement is completely wrong. Plenty of examples that disprove it here.
There's also no time to make more music because I'm engaged in doing something else to survive.
Ummm. If you want to make money at something, then it is a business. All business endeavors require other things besides creative elements to be profitable. Hire someone to do the stuff you don't want to.
You people all know this already.
I know that you are making arguments from an entitled point of view. Just because you create doesn't automatically mean you earn profits. It's never been that way, even in the labels heyday only 1% of recording artists ever made a profit.
Your circular debate tactics never make sense and don't fool anyone.
Circular debate tactics? Isn't that what you are doing?
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The taking of it on those sites is illegal. I want the law to be enforced. My rights should be enforced just like yours are.
If you want my product, pay for it. If you don't, then leave it alone and walk away. It's simple. And you know it.
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Avengers was highly desired, but still returned a hefty profit.
Your stuff must be pretty bad.
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If someone is getting it for free chances are they where never gonna pay for it to begin with. Or they where using it as a form of 'try before you buy'. Demos and 30 second samples are often skewed and people are tired of guessing with their wallet.
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Go lawyer up, and start suing! Let 'em have it! Don't forget, $150k per track! That's way more than iTunes pays you!
Your life has been ruined by piracy? Well turnabout is fair play, right? Sue 'em back to the stone age! What are you waiting for?
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Are you crazy?
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He just wants to sit back and get money after working just once!
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Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Based on your comments here I think you might have a problem connecting with your fans. Calling your fans sociopaths and thieves isn't the way to do it. If your a dick (or bitch) about things, then you're fans most certainly are not going to want to give you their hard earned money, especially for a infinitely reproducible product.
The taking of it on those sites is illegal. I want the law to be enforced. My rights should be enforced just like yours are.
Yes it's illegal, but apparently a bunch of your fans don't see it as immoral do they? And personally, I want our copyright laws changed. But, please go ahead and enforce your copyrights all you want, just leave my money as a taxpayer out of the equation.
If you want my product, pay for it. If you don't, then leave it alone and walk away. It's simple. And you know it.
From a personal point of view, if your stuff was recorded in the last 10 or 15 years, I'm most likely not interested in what you are selling.
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Why isn't the reverse true?
If you don't like how people consume your product, stop putting it out there. It's simple.
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If you don't like how people consume your product, stop putting it out there. It's simple.
Are you seriously suggesting that since people are violating his rights, it's him that should change (and not the deliberate wrongdoers)? Absolutely unbelievable.
Can I buy a baseball bat and hit you in the face? I mean, if you don't like what I'm doing, too bad. You shouldn't have a face that's fun to hit with a baseball bat. Oh wait, no it's me that should change, since I'm the one doing wrong. Crazy.
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He's saying that if someone violates your rights, it's you that needs to changes and not the lawbreaker. My point was that if I were to violate his rights by hitting him in the face with a baseball bat, he probably wouldn't feel like it was him that needed to change. He'd, naturally and correctly, blame me for violating his rights. His post represents the whole blame-the-victim idiocy that TD promotes. I think it's ridiculous and juvenile.
Just look at the way you guys are treating the AC musician who has done nothing wrong. You're blaming him for the wrongs that are being done to him, instead of blaming those who consciously violate his rights. It's disgusting, and it makes me sad that so many of the TD faithful are so callous about their wrongdoings.
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He hasn't. Therefore, he has no-one to blame but himself. How can you expect to sell something if, upon being asked by a potential customer, you refuse to show it to them?
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Advising someone to run in such a situation would be simple common sense. I mean, yeah, those barbarians are in the wrong and all, but would you look at how many of them there are? No edicts passed by the emperor are going to do anything to stop the barbarians. All they will do is piss off the citizens as they run to avoid the slaughter.
Do you really think it makes sense in such a situation to complain about the barbarians and do nothing else to adapt? At what point does complaining about your rights being violated become just so much whistling in the wind?
Personally, I think we passed that point a few years ago.
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If you don't tell us who you are...why are you complaining that we don't pay for your work? We don't know who you are or what you've done! (Hint: that's part of the problem that Mike has addressed so many times with CwF. It does no good to whinge about lost profits if we literally don't have anyway to buy).
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tell us and we might buy it!
or not.
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I just searched for 'Anonymous Coward' and nothing came up. Are you sure about that statement?
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Really? It takes money to make more music? That's funny. Why didn't someone tell me that? I made music just the other day. Cost? Nothing. (Unless you count the electricity I used to power the laptop to record myself playing.)
Money isn't required to make music. Nor to promote it or even distribute it. Not anymore at least.
Please quit with the beyond retarded logical fallacies.
"There's also no time to make more music because I'm engaged in doing something else to survive."
Then obviously you suck at working in general and that might be why you have to work even more hours than the average person, and thus not have time to make music.
I work three, count them THREE, jobs. My employers are all related and the jobs are all different. I work as a home health provider (2 hours a day, 7 days a week), I work as a clerk in a home health care office (this one is more flexible because there's other people there to help, so I go in 2-3 days a week for 4 hours each time), and last but definitely not least I run (or better said, AM) an IT department for an engineering/surveying firm. (I'm there at least 3 days from 8-5, and 2 days from noon-5).
And despite all that, I still find time to go home at the end of the day and record music. Oh, and just fyi, I'm not exactly making minimum wage but I'm not exactly rich either. I make more than enough to pay all my bills though. And yet still have quite a bit of free time. Go figure.
"You people all know this already. Your circular debate tactics never make sense and don't fool anyone."
No, YOUR circular debate tactics never make sense and don't fool anyone. But you know this already. It's just you can't stand on your soapbox if you decided to go with the truth.
It's okay though, I understand. It's easier to blame "piracy" and "pirates" than to admit you suck at whatever it is you "create". (Which I doubt you even do, but I'd rather not get into the debate of how someone who creates can barely comment worth a damn. If you're gonna lie you can at least be creative about that too, but your inability to do so says to me you don't have a creative bone in your body.)
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So yeah, I'm either insanely skilled or you're full of shit. I say that because I do a lot and that music and writing stuff... I don't get paid for it. I do it because I love it and I enjoy doing it for fun. (Although I've sold more than my fair share of writings to people. You ask for it I'll write something just for you. Well not you, you're a self-entitled jerk and I'd never want to write anything to share with someone like you. But for anyone else, no prob.)
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You recording stuff on your laptop for an hour after work isn't how popular records are made.
If it was, then that would be the stuff that people rip off.
But it isn't. And you know it.
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I can make stuff up too!
I'm an animal trainer who writes books on how to raise dogs properly!
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All it does is say "this is how I choose to make a living."
From the sounds of things, it wasn't a very wise choice, given that you can't afford to replace that old Nissan...
There are lots of people in every profession that just aren't very good at what they do. They're still called "professionals"
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Really, I am! I said so on the internets!
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I either never show my art to anyone and/or it only gets 100-1000 views, thus, I never get paid for it.
I don't even get a "Hey I like this, or "Hey this is funny" or even "Omg you sux", I get absolutely nothing except wasted time and whatever enjoyment I got out of making it.
Yet somehow it keeps getting made.
I think music will be OK if nobody ever paid for it again starting today. The best art isn't done for money.
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- Ezra Pound
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That's rich coming from the guy claiming he's harmed by people taking it without paying.
- people like your product and take it for free
- people don't like your product and don't take it
In which of these cases did you make money?
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Proof once again that this is a knowledge argument. Two sides - anti-piracy people and people who understand the technology.
Dude, a stream and a download are the same thing. They just end up tagged differently on your hard drive. If you're OK with streaming you're OK with file-sharing.
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So why are you trying to tell me what should be done with my creations?
Just because something works for you personally doesn't mean it works for me. I don't infringe on your rights, so don't infringe on mine.
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I imagine that might cause some problems . . .
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No matter what way you decide to put your product out there, you will face risk. The only way to live your life is to face the reality of those risks and work with them. That means accepting that there will be piracy no matter what you do and move on.
Right now you're just an emo AC bitch wining about piracy. You'll never make any money being a whiny emo AC bitch. Add on top of that the fact that you just look like a payed shill that doesn't actually produce anything and is just lying to get your next pay check, and you get nothing. Not a damn thing.
So pull your head out of your ass, accept reality, and move the fuck on.
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My statements are factual and based in reality. That's what upsets you.
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"Nope, not a "paid musician"."
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My statements are factual and based in reality.
-Anonymous Coward
LOL
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Here, let me make the first offering.
My Blog: Http://blog.chronno.me
My Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/chronnotrigg
My G+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107863022702131578285
There, now I have put what I produce out there for you to see. I have put some legitimacy into my arguments as I am willing to put my works out there for all to be seen.
Your turn.
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Yeah, sure. Remind me that I could be playing Minecraft right now. I'm never going to get through the comment thread now...
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Saying you're a creative artist and then refusing to show us ANYTHING AT ALL is the quickest way to failure. We have no Reason to Buy.
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Sorry, but restricting what I can and can't do with content and requiring me to ask permission is infringing on my basic rights as a creator and as part of the public.
By having a monopoly you take away the right's of others. Maybe if this wasn't so people might actually give a damn about 'piracy'.
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I wish there was better options to expose your work, social networking doesn't help at all. Especially if you have no one, even if you do they're all too busy posting pictures of their dog and updating their status to look at whatever you've posted.
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As Mike has said countless times, if people are pirating your work, most often it's because there's a customer need not being met.
So you have two choices - try harder to meet your customers' needs, or keep whining about "douchebags" and acting like an entitled jerk - except one of these actual work, so I know which one you'll pick!
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I couldn't care less what Mike Masnick says in his reality distortion field. He's a piracy apologist that doesn't know anything about music or musicians.
My product is for sale. It's freely available basically around the world. It's still being taken without payment in places where someone can easily purchase it.
And that's because people that rip off musicians are greedy sociopaths that will take something for free illegally if they think they can get away with it.
That's a fact. End of story.
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That word does not mean what you think it means.
BTW, what product do you have for sale?
All this time, you keep saying you have a product, but you don't link to it and don't show me where I can find it.
So, how can I purchase it if you don't tell me?
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to watch some anime I pirated because it's not going to be available in the U.S. anytime soon. And if/when it does, I'll buy it, since I know that I'll like it. (Mostly because I like the franchise.)
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It makes perfect sense!
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Obviously, you care a great deal. Regardless, Mike is definitely not a pirate apologist. Or, if he is, he does a great job at hiding it. Care to support your accusation?
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What a laugh. He the Lord High Piracy Apologist and Google shill.
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Hey I'd be flattered if someone did that to me. Nobody wants my work cause almost nobody ever sees it. Just to know that somebody somewhere actually wanted it enough to pirate it would be like a windfall for me.
Of course, greedy sociopaths locked in reality distortion fields(you) will never understand this. It's all about the $$$$$.
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Simply being for sale doesn't necessarily mean it's been distributed in a way that makes your fans want to pay for it!
The example of albums vs. singles has been discussed: should I buy an album if there's one song I like out of an album of mediocre shit, or pirate it? The question becomes moot if you allow your customers to buy single tracks. The question becomes obsolete if you record good music.
The bottom line is this: something with your marketing strategy isn't squaring with what people want. Fix it, stop whining, and get your new car or whatever. Great success.
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Do you just lose your shit if someone plays your music on the radio?
If not, why not? The people who lied to you about being ripped off today used to lose their shit over radio too. And they had a point - everyone who listens to the radio is taking music without paying for it.
Problem is, that's not wrong.
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Nobody cares. End of story.
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Take the NFL2012 iPad App for instance. Traditionally, I have paid for this EVERY YEAR since its release. But this year, for some unknown reason, the NFL has decided not to make it available in iTunes for Canada.
Or MLB.TV. Because I live in Canada, I cannot watch Jays games unless I subscribe to a specific cable package. But if I drive an hour away and across a border, I can stream the games live.
Or Netflix, which the content producers have decided to offer an anemic catalogue.
If you say to me "fuck you, I won't let you pay" then that is your choice. I say "thank you. I will enjoy your content anyhow."
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AC, you make bottled water right?
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Fuck off.
If it's my property then permission is mine to give and it's none of your business.
Basic stuff that every child knows. What was wrong with YOUR parents that they told you you can manipulate copyright law to take OUR property rights from US?
And don't pretend a show about bootleggers authorizes you to tell your customers what to do with the stuff they bought from you. Bootlegging is wrong but it's a exception to the rule. As, again, every child who is not a thug understands.
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Correction - with the stuff they copied from each other and didn't even get from you.
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Your statement is nonsense. If people didn't like your product (i.e. they'd actually heard it and disliked it) they wouldn't bother taking it. But if they took it because they'd never heard you before, this is an opportunity for you to make a fan. If they took it because they had heard you before, this too is an opportunity for you to keep a fan interested in you. Fans you like your music and also like you will give you money one way or another. People who think you're a dick (might as well stay anonymous at this point) won't bother.
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Oh, and since when were we supposed to care about your Nissan? Some people have it worse, I don't have a car. Does that mean that according to your logic, I should now whine and moan, because people won't give me money to get one?
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Hey, I can't replace my old car either. Welcome to the recession, friend.
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Odds are...
1) your particular overpriced, cheaply-produced "product" isn't selling, anyway, because it's crap.
2) People pay what things are worth, so see #1.
Wanna tell us what your "product" is, and we can see if anybody is even bothering to take the time to post it, much less download it?
Don't think so, boy.
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Hundreds of examples? Probably exaggerating, but I'll give you maybe 300 for the sake of argument. OK...
And you say we can sample your wares before we buy, via streaming music?
Then I would assume, to replace your crappy old Nissan with a small new car (we'll say $15k), you are charging 15,000/300... That's $50 a track... Maybe this is why you aren't making many sales?
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1. Stop the piracy by enforcing your copyright - and yes, I mean doing it yourself. It's your copyright (unless you stupidly gave it up to some record label and wasn't duly compensated) and it's up to you to enforce it. Not me, not the government, not Google, not TechDirt, not the internet. It's your copyright, so go stop those pirates. Good luck, although I presume this will leave you little time to make music.
2. Deal with it. Piracy exists. It always has, but now it's highly visible. Anyone who wants to make money with music is just going to have to figure out a new way to make money with music. Maybe the game is over and there is no way to make money with music, but I highly doubt it. There is a way, and someone will find it (I think some already have).
Every musician right now faces these two choices. They've faced them for the last 10 years. Guess which choice is going to lead an artist to prosperity?
The truth is, there isn't enough money in the world for everyone who wants to be an artist to make a living wage. There will always be a majority of artists who don't make any money. They are not entitled to it. I say this as an artist who is not making money. I only wish I could be pirated as much as you claim to be, because then at least I'd have some hope of earning something.
It sounds like you used to have a steady income stream that has dried up, and you want the world to change back to the way it was. Well, go ahead and wait and complain I guess, but that's not very creative.
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Show me the Money - I know stolen line
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Billions!
Digital downloads ARE costing us billions. Have you seen the prices on iTunes!?! :)
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I'm a media professional too!
Not making a good living selling your media? That's because you are not part of the 1%. There is plenty of profit being made. As for me I hope my corporate masters pull their heads out of their asses, realize obscenely profitable DVD sales are not ever coming back, and start making their (our) products available for download/streaming in all markets at reasonable price points so his industry can move into the 21st century!
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I've always suspected this, from the outside looking in.
Just makes the bosses anti-piracy lobbying even more hypocritical than I've always seen it as.
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It is nice to see someone "connected" to the industry who is often portrayed as the poor ripped off worker that "pirates" are stealing the food off the table from actually point out that if things are so dire, why are the studio bosses still rich?
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The current system sucks. I'd pay for access to something better. I'm just not holding my breath.
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Pirating The Pirates
As the Pirate Captain said, "We'll show those swabs a thing or two about piratin'!".
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I double-checked my wallet to make sure that, yes, I had paid, so why were they advertising a free option? I am still convinced that something smells about the whole thing.
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Silly me.
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This is how it works:
1) More access to content = more fans
2) More fans = more true fans
3) More true fans = more money
http://sharingisliberty.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/formula-to-making-money-as-an-artist-on-th e-net/
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