USTR: By Making People Testify About TPP Text They Cannot See... We're Being Transparent
from the say-it-with-me:-w-t-f? dept
Jamie Love has provided the testimony he gave at a USTR hearing concerning Mexico and Canada's entrance into the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) agreement. As you hopefully recall, the agreement is being negotiated in secret... unless you happen to be a high level lobbyist. Then you get widespread access, which Love calls out:The contempt for the public is all the more clear when USTR carries out an extensive system of briefing corporate interests on the nature of the proposals it makes in the negotiations, and openly embraces a double standard for access that can best be understood by the public when looking at the amount of money that various parties dump into political campaigns, in part to obtain this type of preferred access. According to USTR, the Advisory board for intellectual property rights is chaired by Richard Kjeldgaard, the Deputy Vice President, International Intellectual Property, PhRMA. That pretty much sums up how this process is perceived. The fact that the Obama Administration cares more about PhRMA than the public as regards access to information is a great disappointment.But the really insane part about all of this was that it was asking for hearings from people who don't know what's in the text, because they can't see the text because the USTR refuses to release the text. That resulted in some awkward exchanges:
In Eric Schwartz of IIPA's testimony, he claims that the 3-step test applies to all exceptions, including those like the quotation or news of the day exceptions, which are mandatory. When State asks him a question about the TPP text, Scwartz says he has only seen the leaked text. Exchange illustrates the ackward nature of asking for comments on a secret text.But, much more ridiculous is that the USTR took the farce, and then bizarrely claimed that this hearing, in which people who can't see the text were asked to talk about it, shows how transparent they're being about this process:
“USTR is committed to transparency in trade negotiations,” said Ambassador Kirk. “Today’s hearing is a good example of our engagement with interested stakeholders and members of the public. As the TPP negotiations progress, we will continue to ensure that all interested parties have an opportunity to express their views.”How many times does it need to be said? That's not transparency. Inviting a bunch of people who can't see the text to comment on what might be in the text might be considered some weird form of "hearing from the public" but transparency is not about hearing from the public -- it's about showing the public what you're doing. It's about information flowing in the other direction which appears to be something that Ron Kirk and the USTR do not understand. At what point will a reporter interviewing Kirk, or perhaps an elected official, ask the basic question of how keeping something secret is transparent? Or ask him if he can explain the difference between hearing from people and being transparent. Because they're very, very different. And it seems immensely troubling that a massive trade agreement that will have far reaching implications is being negotiated in complete secrecy (unless you're a big industry player, of course) by someone who doesn't even understand what transparency means.
Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.
While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.
–The Techdirt Team
Filed Under: ron kirk, tpp, transparency, ustr
Reader Comments
Subscribe: RSS
View by: Time | Thread
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
How interesting.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
it is NOT because the denizens of washingtoon are stoopid and simply don't realize they are working against the interests of us 99% to the benefit of the 1%; it is because THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT of what they are doing...
which is WHY they *mostly* try and keep all this stuff behind closed doors... out of sight, out of mind...
they are simply providing some minimal window-dressing, barely believable deniability of their evil ways, and smoke and mirrors to confuse *most* of us who do not follow these issues...
make no mistake: their perfidy and misdirection are 100% purposeful; they only try to make it seem like it is only by accident that the interests of us 99% NEVER get represented; and the profiteering of the 1% rules the day...
it ain't stupidity, its cupidity...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I think they understand perfectly. I think they understand that the majority of the population has become indoctrinated to believe whatever drivel the choose to spoon feed people, that most of them never bother to question what they are being told.
I come across, pretty much on a daily basis, people who can quote me facts, figures, or regurgitate large quantities of information, and yet often have absolutely no idea what a large amount of it really means.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
so, yeah, totally transparent and open...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I could only find the section on forced-labor camps and debtors prisons. It's interesting that the camps and prisons being built as we speak (to, you know, keep us safe from terrists, of whom we must always be very afraid).
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Wow, Chris Dodd just signed in and left his mark. Which by the way is one big SSMMOOOOOOOOOOCH on the ass of Washington.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Alternativley you can be strip searched, photographed and fingerprinted. Although you will be required to stay in a temporary hold for two days.
Also, you will not be able to bring anything with you aside from what you are wearing and cars will not be allowed to have more than a half a tank of gas.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Last time I checked, the USTR was still a part of the government and therefore subject to restrictions laid forth by the Bill of Rights. What part of this do you not understand?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Forgive his ignorance. He was elected and Not knowing shit from Shinola is listed under "Requirements" in the official American Slimy Society of Highly Outrageous Lying Elected Morons' ("A.S.S.H.O.L.E. Morons", for short) indoctrination pamphlet.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
> part of the government and therefore subject
> to restrictions laid forth by the Bill of Rights.
I'm no fan of the TPP or Ron Kirk, but your comment doesn't make any sense. Which one of the Bill of Rights is Kirk violating?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Correct, it's called r-a-t-i-f-i-c-a-t-i-o-n. It is different than n-e-g-o-t-i-a-t-i-o-n. That's the USTR's job.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
Difficult to say, because - you know - its a big secret.
Shhhh, let's not disturb the negotiations now.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Do you have a problem with people bringing attention to social wrongs?
Are you really ok with trade negotiators deciding things for your country and your family without any input or ability to fight against injustice at all?
Do you enjoy being a sheep?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
There is a ratification process, you know.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
And don't forget President Obama signed in ACTA without Congressional approval anyway, so there's always tricky situations such as that.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: you like to argue for the sake of arguing don't you!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
I think we all know who the rats are.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
> is handled differently than legislation.
Then why don't they just be honest and say something like *that*?!?
RON KIRK: No, we're not being transparent because that's not how diplomacy works.
Instead we get this bizarre Orwellian double-speak about how "the more we keep stuff secret, the more that proves how transparent we're being".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
In my opinion, a hermetically closed negotiations with no possibility for anyone outside governments to influence the result is a far better situation than the cronyism! It has nothing to do with the diplomats situations and everything to do with an extremely unfortunate handling of laws from the political side.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
As far as forcing changes to law in any country, I think we have seen how the law is of no concern to these people.
Not sure why you are so opposed to criticism of something you know little about (it's secret ya know) and certainly have no say in whatsoever. I find it rather amusing actually.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
So then what you are saying is that the criticism itself is baseless because everything is secret? You are profoundly retarded.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
No, what this is about is cronyism using secret negotiations to engender an agreement that WILL, when it's finally revealed the night before the ratification vote, require a change to US law. And those changes will be to prop up legacy business' failing business models.
Wanna bet which one of us is right, once we finally get to see the damn thing?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
Surprised? I'm not even surprised the public is not only ignored but despised by the USTR. Which in turn will happen to the trade agreements people'll feel free to ignore. Good job.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Kirk is very exact in what he says, you just need to put accents right:
USTR is committed to transparency in trade negotiations
I.e USTR is committed to various industries' interests about public transparency (i.e. surveillance and the like) in their negotiations by dodging any attempts of the public to fight those industries' interests which go against public freedoms.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
When? Never. It will never happen. Any reporter that isn't a defeatist coward won't be allowed to interview Ron Kirk or any elected official, not that you could find a reporter who wasn't already a defeatist coward.
Politicians know "journalists" are too cowardly to ask any question of substance, or to call them on their evasive, non-answers to the questions which are spineless to begin with, because (oh the horror) the politician won't give them an interview again in the future and instead will give interviews to defeatist coward "journalists" instead. We couldn't possibly expect the press to work together on growing a spine and the majority asking hard questions and expecting specific answers, that would simply be asking them to earn their keep, which is far far too much to ask, evidently. But keep buying newspapers and watching the 24 hour news networks, they're entitled to income.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
The TPP must be Protested.Support of the TPP is Wrong and Corrupt.
NOTE: The Public and even Senators & House Reps are not even allowed to look at what has been written.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
how about?
That its about rounding up ethnic minorities into camps/charging people 20% extra on their taxes to fund the RIAA etc.
Those behind TPP would have no choice then but to release the full text or face a public that believes they have 'something evil to hide'
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: how about?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Transparency?
adjective
1.
having the property of transmitting rays of light through its substance so that bodies situated beyond or behind can be distinctly seen.
I'd say being perfectly transparent means you don't see a thing, right? Well, you certainly don't see a thing from USTR, so...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Transparency?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Transparent Process
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Missing the point, as well as the briefings...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]