GEMA Gets Bailed Out By Germany's Parliament; Allowed To Proceed With Venue-Killing Rate Hikes
from the your-shakedown-is-GO! dept
The threat posed to Germany's underground club scene by all-around IP thug GEMA is no longer just a threat. Back in July, GEMA decided to "streamline" its convoluted fee structure. Naturally, it decided to smooth things over in a upward motion, raising the fees charged to these clubs by up to 1,400%. This sparked protests against GEMA's tactics and a petition with 60,000 signatures was brought to the Deutsches Bundestag (Germany's parliament). Unfortunately, the Deutsches Bundestag punted, suggesting those unhappy with the new fee structure negotiate directly with GEMA. [However you spell "LOL" in German goes here.]The petition itself deployed an interesting tactic, targeting the legality of the "GEMA presumption."
The petition, which began circulating in August, specifically protested the so-called "GEMA presumption," i.e. GEMA's method of deciding tariffs for clubs and festivals based on the assumption that they own rights to 100% of the music being played there. The reasoning behind this is that it would be too difficult to sort out which tracks were or weren't written by GEMA members. This method is part of what allows GEMA to decide their tariffs based purely on the amount of space in a venue and the duration of its events, without necessarily knowing what music was played.Not much of a "method," is it? It's exactly what the protestors call it: "presumption." Rather than make any attempt to even make a ballpark guess at the percentage of music GEMA might actually be able to collect on, GEMA has bullied its way to a supremely privileged position that allows it to claim tariffs on 100% of any music played in nearly any venue. The duration of the events works against the underground clubs as well, as their extended hours drastically increase the fees GEMA collects.
The audacity of this claim (and the unwillingness to do any legwork) is astounding. Whatever hold GEMA has over the government, and by extension, Germany's music consumption, far surpasses the power of other PROs, labels and IP groups around the world.
Resident Advisor points out that this isn't the first time GEMA's "presumption" has been challenged.
The GEMA presumption has been contested before. One study by Berlin's Club Commission sampled everything that was played at Berlin clubs like Watergate and Weekend over one weekend, and found that as many as 35% of the records played were unknown to GEMA...While GEMA could still claim that its artists provide a larger share of the records played in these clubs, it's still a long walk from 65% to 100%, that latter percentage being what determines the fees assessed. Unfortunately, the Bundestag sided with GEMA in this earlier action, stating that any alternative would be "too cumbersome" for the PRO to utilize for its collection efforts.
This second concession to GEMA by the Bundestag effectively allows GEMA to set rates with impunity and frees it from having to determine actual music usage. In addition to granting GEMA even more power, it likely dooms several iconic Berlin clubs to extinction, thanks to rate increases that reflect only GEMA's self-serving "streamlining" rather than the actual music played or the clubs' actual income.
Organizations like GEMA are supposedly "protecting artists" by imposing these fees. There's some "protection" going on here, but it's got nothing to do with art.
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Protecting artists
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A more accurate statement would be that this is like taxing independent artists, and label artists, for the benefit of GEMA.
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GEMA are, under the terms of the law, defrauding artists. Why these criminals are allwoed to get away with it is...well, frankly, fucking shameful.
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The reason why it's so difficult for GEMA to figure out which of the songs are by registered artists is because GEMA doesn't listen to the music. When it comes time for GEMA to actually pay the artists, they don't know whose songs were actually played, or how much they were played. The money is divided up based on decisions made between the ~3500 GEMA members at their annual meeting. In other words, they make up the numbers -- and a GEMA artist could easily not be paid for the performances of their songs, just as other GEMA artists could be paid for songs that weren't actually performed.
What's really shameful about GEMA is that they have the full force of the law behind their collections process, but no accountability or oversight in their disbursement process.
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For those in germany, I really hope there is something they can do when it becomes this obvious that their politicians have been bought out and have gone from 'public servants', to 'private employees'.
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The Law makes no claims about such comparisons invalidating anything, especially when discussing the actual historical actions of a certain German government body that existed then as it does now.
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I would call it extortion and racketeering.
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Anyone else?
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Disgusting
This has nothing to do with "protecting the artists" and everything to do with one greed-motivated group holding all music performance hostage. In summary, this is war on expression.
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"High tariffs for the clubs is obviously no fun, but if it results in more money going to the right place (i.e. musicians as well as club owners & promoters) then surely this is a good thing?"
http://www.residentadvisor.net/forum-read.aspx?id=212095&page=1#p22
Naive fool!
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Clubs should not play any Music touched by GEMA.Clubs should do their Part if this is possible to not Pay a Dime to MAFIAA.
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In other words, "doing this the right way is too difficult for the incumbent corporations, let's pass on the costs and risk to everybody else while they cash in". Par for the course...
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Yeah, after all, someone else's music is only 90% of the draw...
Because it's not important to have a "club scene"; it's an actual drain on society to have large numbers of idiots drinking, dancing, and drugging.
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So, you're OK with 35% of the money going to people whose music wasn't even played? With no income possible for those whose music was used? Of course you are, you corporate whore, you...
"Because it's not important to have a "club scene""
Yes, because everybody knows *that's* never translated into people buying records, live bands getting exposure through remixes, festival attendance, merchandising and all sorts of other boons for the labels and artists, right? No, in your world everything is separate and unrelated, hence your inability to grasp the most basic logical points.
"it's an actual drain on society to have large numbers of idiots drinking, dancing, and drugging."
Yet, I guarantee most people would prefer a million more of those people to the company of pathetic trolls, who literally have a negative contribution to make.
Get back under your bridge, adults are talking and reality needs to be addressed, whether you like it or not.
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We finally agree! I knew it would happen! You have seen the light!
GEMA produces nothing and is profiting off of both the artists that make music, and the club owners that actually market their places and create an experience that people want.
Oh, sorry, you meant the clubs. Sorry, you are still clueless.
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Agreed they should all be sitting around in their underwear screaming at the kids to get off their lawn just like you and bob, productive. Being crazy and so fare out of touch takes time and energy. Where will the madmen of tomorrow be if they spend their youth enjoying themselves? How will they turn into bitter stupid assholes?
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You realize that if you were in Germany with your buddies listening to Big Band 45's while player checkers at the Senior Center, GEMA would want to collect from the Senior Center also. It's not just about that "young whippersnapper" music you know.
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That's right! Recreational activities are a waste of time and resources. If you are doing anything more than working, sleeping, eating, and producing new future workers (the minimal possible amount of those last three, please), you are a drain on society.
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> a "club scene"; it's an actual drain
> on society to have large numbers of
> idiots drinking, dancing, and drugging.
http://tinyurl.com/brzhrw
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Pushback - hard
Better yet, form the Anti-GEMA (AGEMA) group, sign all of the other artists, and charge GEMA 10 times as much for anything they get paid for with the AGEMA presumption. Hey, what's fair is fair.
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Anyways any Artist who Signs with any of these MAFIAA is a Traitor and should be Boycotted.
We as people need to put Pressure on these Sell-Out Artists.
Do not Support any Sell-Outs !
Boycott all MAFIAA Content !
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And playing some freely licensed music from the web? You would have to contact the writers, composers, singers, etc. for and each and every song and ask them for their names and addresses as well as written statements that they are not GEMA members. Which would require a lot of time and effort and would probably often be futile in the end.
There were some efforts to create a rival royalty collection agency with better rules. But such agencies are (for some idiotic reason) overseen by the German Patent and Trade Mark Office and those guys don't see any reason why anyone would need another agency besides GEMA. Surely the fine people at GEMA are more than capable of collecting all the money... So all efforts were shot down.
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One of many examples is YouTube who have successfully negotiated music deals with most countries around the World but Germany is blocked to them simply because GEMA is overpriced beyond reason and refuses to budge.
Sure enough everyone is mad at GEMA from the record labels who would actually like some income, through the hundreds of sites that can't work with GEMA, down to the users always seeing "this music/video is not available in your country"
Now GEMA have gone the final step of annoying clubs as well when since many services now refuse to deal with GEMA they are losing money and so need to boost their core club income to compensate.
Here we now are with the German Government failing to rein in this monster, or ideally to force consumer regulation on them, now allowing GEMA to destroy most of the music market in Germany.
I am sure most people would like to see GEMA die and for a new fair service to replace them. The problem there is even if a second collection agency was started and everyone stuck to non-GEMA music then you can bet your last Euro that GEMA would still demand their fee and would have some very fascist law to back them up.
So music life in Germany is as sad as you can get with GEMA failing to do their most basic job of licencing music at fair rates.
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Surely someone can invent a way of letting the party continue?
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I have absolutely no doubt that they'd still try to charge royalties for this, even if nobody else can hear the music you've legally purchased.
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Sure they would. Silence has been copyrighted. Well, at least 4 minutes and 33 seconds has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
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Then GEMA declared that they own the rights to dancing and demanded another fee?
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Anyway is well beyond silly and bad form.
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Go all CC-PD.
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"I know NOTHING!"
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PARASITES! that produce nothing and take it all from those who produce.
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Ask Hitler
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Monsters high dolls
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