Congressman Already Claims That He Needs To Overturn Supreme Court Ruling In Kirtsaeng
from the and-off-we-go dept
We fully expected efforts in Congress to look to overturn the strong and important "first sale" ruling by the Supreme Court, and it looks like they're not wasting any time. Rep. Doug Collins has already put out a statement about how awful the ruling in Kirtsaeng is and how he'll look to remedy it.“The Supreme Court's ruling in Kirtsaeng v. Wiley raises concerning questions about the future of U.S. copyright law,” Collins said. “Many industries and businesses in Georgia rely on strong copyright protections to create jobs and invest in our local economies, including the established and exclusive right to import in to the United States. When a U.S. business harnesses innovation and creativity to develop a product, they should have certainty their copyrighted work will be protected against unauthorized importation of foreign products.No, actually, it doesn't raise any serious questions. It confirms a basic principle that "you own what you've purchased." It's amazing that a Representative who claims that he wants government to get out of the way and and that "the private sector is best at generating economic growth" would suddenly pipe up in favor of centralized monopolies handed out by the federal government. Furthermore, it's ridiculous, wrong and misleading to argue that Kirtsaeng is somehow antithetical to "strong copyright protections." The first sale doctrine has existed in the US for ages and nothing in it goes against "strong copyright protections." The Supreme Court decision standing up for first sale is hardly an attack on copyright. Even the claim about "being protected against unauthorized importation of foreign products." That's not a copyright issue, but an import issue. Here, again, Collins, who pretends to be for free trade, appears to be arguing that the US should have tariffs. It's funny what copyright will do to politicians -- including highlighting their own hypocrisies.
“As a Member of the House Judiciary Committee, I look forward to discussing the need for strong copyright protections with the Register of Copyrights at a subcommittee hearing tomorrow afternoon.”
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Sometimes I get this feeling your representatives actually want to break the country if it means they'll make tons of money in the process. Wake up America, take these morons out of the Govt.
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Your own agenda (whoever you may be) is always just common sense.
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No wonder he said this...
Suddenly everything makes sense.
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Georgia has to make up to foreigners for briefly throwing the CEO of a foreign car manufacturer in jail for not carrying his passport on him. The CEO who opened several car factories in Georgia no less, creating hundreds of jobs in the state, the CEO was in Georgia on a business trip to visit those factories.
What better way to make up for it then by giving him MORE reasons to manufacture his cars back in Europe where he came from by adding IP protections to foreign made goods?
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Gotta love the Georgia representatives.....
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With this statement, we may have taken back the lead.
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For further support of your argument, I believe it was Hank Johnson (D-GA) who was worried Guam (an island) would capsize if 5,000 Marines were moved from Okinawa (another island) to Guam.
However, I'd open up your argument in suggesting that it is all congresscritters, not just those from GA, who have a prerequisite for stupidity. In fact, I think it may be safe to say that it is a prerequisite for all public office.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
This was a classic, at first, I thought he was having a stroke.
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"Sir...did you just say...an island, an ISLAND, would capsize?"
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We swat more idiots before 9am then you do all day.
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Yes, but you see Mike, it had never interfered in the profits of the Mega-Corps.
Now that it has, it must be removed.
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The assumption that a Southern Republican has the same values as a Northern or western is as comical as assertion that a Southern Democrats during the days of Jim Crow had the same values as a Northern one did but, some how they did work together despite what the pundits say.
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I thought they were like Democrats and only had a price.
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Mike favors grifters over publishers.
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up at same place!
http://techdirt.com/
Where Mike "supports copyright" -- except when he supports some clever way to get unearned income by dodging it.
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Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up at same place!
http://techdirt.com/
Where Mike "supports copyright" -- except when he supports some clever way to get unearned income by dodging it.
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I had no idea Rep. Doug Collins was a grifter!
Thanks for pointing that out, OooB!
You've actually done some good, for once!
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Ok, now I'd like you (or anyone else) to explain to me why buying low and selling high is such a bad thing.
The guy is taking advantage of price differences in different markets. If I am not mistaken, that's what's been done in business since, like, forever.
Why is that, suddenly, grifting?
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Please show an example of buying low through legitimate means (as Kirtsaeng did) and selling at a profit is illegal, if you can, boy.
I won't hold my breath waiting.
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Also, I suppose insider trading is, at it's heart, buying low/ selling high.
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Scalping is buying at market rate and selling for a vastly-inflated price due to scarcity.
Not the same as legally-buying below the established price and selling still BELOW the established price, as Kirtsaeng did), with scarcity NOT being an issue.
There were plenty of copies of the books available, just at a price students didn't want to (or couldn't) pay!
Try again, boy.
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I wasn't saying scalping was the same as what Kirstaeng did, because I don't think it is. I was playing a game, a game called "provide the example" where YOU said "show an example of buying low...and selling at a profit is illegal." I DID EXACTLY THAT.
Buy ticket at market value = legal
Sell at higher price = illegal
You didn't say anything about "scarcity" or "being more than what (someone) wanted to pay" in your initial request for an example. So don't blame me because YOU didn't sufficiently narrow YOUR request for an example. Dumbass.
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Insider Trading may be buying low and selling high but its based on information that isn't available to everyone else which makes it illegal and not a legitimate market transaction.
Count is 0-2...
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"In the United States, ticket resale on the premises of the event (including adjacent parking lots that are officially part of the facility) may be prohibited by law, although these laws vary from state to state and the majority of U.S. states do not have laws in place to limit the value placed on the resale amount of event tickets or where and how these tickets should be sold. Ticket resellers may conduct business on nearby sidewalks, or advertise through newspaper ads or ticket brokers. Some U.S. states and venues encourage a designated area for resellers to stand in, on, or near the premises, while other states and venues prohibit ticket resale altogether. Resale laws, policies and practices are generally decided, practiced and governed at the local or even venue level in the U.S. and such laws and or interpretations are not currently generalized at a national level."
So, scalping is kinda sorta sometimes illegal depending on what state you're in. Good to know. (Couldn't look it up at work and I wasn't totally sure, that's why I used all those hedging words "fairly certain," "at least in some states.")
And, I am aware that insider trading should certainly be illegal. But that's not what Mr. AC-that-says-boy-far-too-often asked for. The only thing he asked for was an example of buying low/selling high that is illegal. Not where buying low/selling high SHOULD be illegal, or rightfully is illegal, or only "legitimate market transactions" where it's illegal. So based on the criteria dude gave, insider trading qualifies.
I'll agree with you that I don't get a point for scalping, but I'm gonna stick with my guns and give myself a point for insider trading, so I'm 1-1.
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If a law is passed to prevent a trade it doesn't change the fundamental morality or lack of morality inherent in business.
Many people became immensely wealthy engaging in legal business activities that were subsequently made illegal, they were at all times legitimate business people.
But what you want is an example of a legal activity that was, at the time it was legal,illegal and expect that people might struggle to give you such an example. Well duh!
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If you'd have more experience in international trade than only staring at the foreign stock listings in the WSJ, you would know that it is actually illegal to put restrictions on products you've sold. It is fully legal for companies to make use of price differences in different countries, just as it is legal to have different price levels.
If I told my boss I was trying to prevent our customers in country X from selling to county Y (or messing with their prices to make it less attractive for them) he would fire me on the spot because it is against the law and a guaranteed way to end up in court.
Then again, I work for a company that tries to be ethical and transparent in it's approach to the market. Perhaps you should try working for one too.
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Doug Collins appears to disagree with you.
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"Doug Collins appears to disagree with you."
Doug Collins is an idiot.
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Tune in next week when Blue labels your neighborhood Girl Scouts as "grifters" for selling cookies they didn't make themselves.
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How about did you sell it for more than it was worth to the purchaser.
You could argue here that the purchaser with perfect knowledge is in the best position to determine what its worth to them but does that require you to try to inform the purchaser of every relevant piece of information.
What if the law doesn't require you to make certain information you have available to the purchaser but you know it would affect the price the purchaser is willing to pay.
Knowing that most people do sell, especially second hand vehicles for as much as they possibly can while doing their best to hide or minimise any issues chances are anyone selling their second hand vehicle will be a grifter but it is possible that you specifically are not.
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OR did you just bend over and pull that statement
out_of_your_butt
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This looks like a win-win situation to me. Kirtsaeng gets some money in his pocket, the students he was selling to save some money on the monstrously exorbitant costs of textbooks, and the parasites lose out on an opportunity for ill-gotten gain. Everyone's happy.
...except the parasites, of course.
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I Buy Something I Fucking Own It A-Hole ! And if not then I intend on stopping my Buying of all things I can find elsewhere for Free.Or I will just enjoy the huge Library and huge Documentary Films I own.
I hate these Clueless Moronic Politicians.Probably got himself a Vote because he said Jesus in a Speech, Dislikes LGBT, and is a Southern Far Right Conservative.
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No matter how bad you think this guy is, Chris Dodd is 10 times worse in his hypocrisy.
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Congressmen, OTOH, are supposed to represent the public and so when they seek to represent corporate interests instead that's different.
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Dodd was the BIGGEST censoring prick out there...
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dumbbutt
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My favorite part is the rhetoric about Georgia relying on copyright etc. This case is exclusively about made in places OTHER THAN Georgia! It's helping businesses STAY in country(/ Georgia) where they are rather than moving overseas to avoid a used market! The critical thinking parts of his brain must have been overloaded by trying to comprehend all the 0s on his "campaign donation" check.
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Costco
Not sure any more if that was Copyright or Trademark but I thought it applied here.
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What they realy mean is smaller government for the elite and huge gigantic government for everyone else.
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Gives them the right to prevent others from making it, not to control resale/import/export right?
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Pile of cash
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https://dougcollins.house.gov/email-me/
Everyone should make it clear that he will lose his job if he continues his support for copy'right' and that we should make the rest of his life miserable if he gets a revolving door job afterwords. In fact, getting a revolving door after supporting IP laws should be illegal and subject to punishment far worse than infringement. This is an outrage that this revolving door problem goes unpunished while doing nothing wrong, like infringement, is subject to huge punishments.
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