Here's Another Inventor Who Willingly Gave Away His Greatest Idea In Order To Establish It As A Global Standard

from the true-generosity dept

Beyond the fact that you are using it to read these words, the Web has undeniably had a major impact on a large part of the world's population. It's certainly one of the greatest inventions of recent times, and as Techdirt has noted before, one of the reasons it has taken off in such an amazing way, and led to so many further innovations, is because Sir Tim Berners-Lee decided not to patent it.

Few would argue that the Musical Instrument Digital Interface -- MIDI -- is quite in the same league as the World Wide Web, and yet for musicians it has been hugely important in providing a common standard for playing and composing digital music. As an article in Fortune reminds us, one reason for that success is that like Berners-Lee, MIDI's inventor, Dave Smith, also gave away his brilliant creation:

when Smith collaborated with a handful of Japanese companies -- including Roland and Yamaha -- to bring MIDI into the world 30 years ago, he skipped the licensing fees, instead offering up his idea for the world to steal. "We wanted to be sure we had 100% participation, so we decided not to charge any other companies that wanted to use it," says Smith.
What's noteworthy here -- aside from the ridiculous use of the word "steal" -- is that letting people use the MIDI standard for free was not some accident or oversight: well before the example of Berners-Lee, Smith understood that it was the best way to get his standard widely adopted. That's not to say that he hasn't occasionally hankered after the riches he might have received had he charged for a license, but in the end he recognizes the "obvious" rightness of the move:
Smith at times questions his decision to forgo licensing fees for MIDI, but ultimately comes back to the same conclusion. "It seemed like an obvious thing to do at the time," he says, "and in hindsight, I think it was the right thing to do." In the world of technology, that makes Smith a different kind of legendary.
Indeed: thanks to that far-sighted decision 30 years ago, he joins Berners-Lee as one of the true benefactors of humanity. Let's hope that in the coming years there are many more with vision enough to join them.

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  • identicon
    bigpicture, 12 Apr 2013 @ 7:11pm

    A story with philanthropic bent

    This is a story with philanthropic and positive overtones. Why are there no comments? Not controversial and sensational enough?

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      John Fenderson (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 10:43am

      Re: A story with philanthropic bent

      I was waiting for the trolls to explain how despicable and pirate-loving Dave Smith is.

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      tomxp411 (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 1:35pm

      Re: A story with philanthropic bent

      What can you say about someone that does something exactly right?

      MIDI is one of those things that was the perfect tool at the right time... and no I don't think we would have ended up with a single standard for connecting musical instruments together if someone hadn't come up with a free (or very inexpensive) standard.

      I think the lack of comments comes more from the fact that people simply don't know what MIDI is and don't fully appreciate how useful it is in the music studio. After all, nobody jumps up and sings the praises of USB, even though we all use USB devices every day.

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    TAKUMI (profile), 12 Apr 2013 @ 7:38pm

    I'll have to agree, because it's mainly thanks to abcmidi being able to exist and be free software that I got seriously interested in composing electronic music in the first place.

    I never knew this guy's name before, but I think he's my personal hero now. Or at least second in line after Lawrence Lessig.

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  • identicon
    anonymouse, 12 Apr 2013 @ 9:07pm

    Shame

    Imagine of there was a system where he could have patented it for free use to everyone but anyone making money from selling mp3's had to pay him 1 cent per mp3 sold or even 5 cents. He could be making a fortune and mp3 format would be free for personal use. Why did he not do this, and could he change the terms now or not?

    I am not a patent fan and think there are too many crazy patents but for a system that is so good and has lasted for so long there could have been a little compensation for him, no?

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2013 @ 10:18pm

      Re: Shame

      Who said anything about MP3? This article was about MIDI. (Also, MP3 is encumbered out the wazoo, like pretty much everything else MPEG has ever touched. Though the remaining patents on it will be expiring Real Soon Now(tm).)

      What you're saying sounds an awful lot like what was done with H.264 when the HTML5 video codec debate first started to heat up. Something that is gratis only for personal use is not truly free at all.

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      • identicon
        anonymouse, 13 Apr 2013 @ 3:47pm

        Re: Re: Shame

        So i meant to say what if he had a patent that allowed fair use but where device manufacturers and places like amazon or iTunes paid for using the format. As they don't use midi these days i was using the mp3 format as an example. Sadly it is only the music industry that uses midi, for the consumer or general pc user if it is not in mp3 format it does not exist.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 6:53am

          Re: Re: Re: Shame

          MIDI is not a sound recording format. It is a set of instructions that can be interpreted by musical instruments that understand those instructions. MIDI and MP3 fill completely different roles and have nothing to do with each other.

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          tomxp411 (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 1:29pm

          Re: Re: Re: Shame

          The hell they don't use MIDI these days. MIDI is still THE standard for communicating between electronic musical instruments.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2013 @ 11:22pm

      Re: Shame

      You think money is the only type of compensation that matters?

      I was watching bushcraft videos and this one guy said this one thing that will be with me until the day I die.

      Quote:"Knowledge is free, weights nothing and can save your life"

      He said that after forgetting to bring things, instead of getting all grumpy he relied on his ability to produce the same outcomes no matter what other pre-made tools he had.

      Holders of knowledge are masters of their lifes, so I am sure that he got everything he needed.

      Also there is an area where there is no need for IP law and is the ultimate goal of a society based on the proxy called money to function. Services.

      The oldest professions in the world, no I am not talking about the nice ladies on the corner, are all services from what I can tell.

      Carpenters, handyman, weavers, accountants, we all have basic needs and we can't do it all by ourselves is exhausting, there will always be a need for the services of others.

      I can build a chair or a sofa, but I buy those, I made basketball nets for the hoops out of grass so children could play, but I bought plastic cordage to make a new one, more colorful.

      What do you think he didn't got in life that he should have got?

      If he is happy I am happy although music is not my thing, but I do enjoy building instruments, and even find others who do too.

      Black Sabbath - Ironman on home made bottle bass guitar

      That guy started a frenzy on Youtube.

      This one is more like what I do though.

      Youtube: Ukulele project intro by Matthias Wandel.

      So the only shame I see is we not celebrating this guy and his contribution to the pie.

      Maybe we should make a MIDI day where we all collect some money and give it to him there is nothing stopping anybody from doing that so he can produce more things or take a vacation somewhere, now that would be brilliant, but even if people don't want or don't have money to give away he still can and should be remembered always and if he ever really need I am sure people will help.

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      Beech, 13 Apr 2013 @ 1:09am

      Re: Shame

      Yeah, the problem is then the 1-5 cent cost would inevitably be passed to the consumer, so it's not really free for them. And the company selling the mp3s would look at how "expensive" they are as opposed to some other audio codec that they could use without some fee and would use the cheaper one instead. If someone had to give a portion of their profits every time they sold an mp3, mp3 never would have become a standard. Instead, we'd see everyone interested in selling audio on the internet coming up with their own proprietary, patented codecs.

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      • identicon
        anonymouse, 13 Apr 2013 @ 3:49pm

        Re: Re: Shame

        Actually a lot of people did try to use their own formats but the market demanded the use of mp3 due to its popularity and small file size with good enough quality for 99% of the market.

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        Arioch (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 7:19pm

        Re: Re: Shame

        Midi has absolutely nothing to do with codecs. It actually means Musical Instrument Digital Interface and is a universal connection protocol for those of us that like to create music

        I do not know who graced you with your information, but you seem somewhat misinformed

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      Karl (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 9:40am

      Re: Shame

      Imagine of there was a system where he could have patented it for free use to everyone but anyone making money from selling mp3's had to pay him 1 cent per mp3 sold or even 5 cents. He could be making a fortune and mp3 format would be free for personal use.

      First of all: MIDI has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with MP3. MIDI data is not audio data, but "control" data (e.g. "Turn on note X at pitch Y" or "Use synth patch X for this voice"). MIDI predated MP3 by about a decade.

      Second of all: what you are suggesting did, in fact, happen with MP3's. Officially, MP3 is patented by Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft. Originally, you only had to pay a license if you encoded MP3's, and decoders didn't require a license. Of course, once the MP3 format was fully established, they changed the license, and now every piece of software that uses the MP3 format is supposed to pay royalties to Fraunhofer (through Technicolor, its licensing arm).

      So, in reality, what happened? Two things. First, most users simply pirated the MP3 codecs. Second, there was a huge push for more open formats. OGG came out of this push, and is completely open source.

      LAME is an MP3 implementation, which is distributed only in source code (not binary) form, so can be downloaded without paying the patent royalties. You can only compile and run it in countries (like the U.S.) where Fraunhofer's patent on MP3 technology has expired.

      Of course, nobody really pays attention to that legal requirement, so lots of people are technically "pirating" the MP3 technology by either distributing the LAME binaries, or compiling and using the LAME source code.

      In other words - what you described has only led to a huge mess.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2013 @ 10:42am

      Re: Shame

      Imagine of there was a system where he could have patented it for free use to everyone but anyone making money from selling mp3's had to pay him 1 cent per mp3 sold or even 5 cents.


      /s/mp3/midi

      Also you're wrong, if he had patented it, all those companies would have made their own standards and we would have dozens upon dozens of different formats that all refer to the general idea of the MIDI.

      Just like what happens today with video and audio codecs and even programming languages. Closing up the system to ANYONE only means that someone is going to find a way around your system. Building a wall doesn't open a pathway.

      We likely wouldn't have this article if he were to do that because MIDI as a standard likely would have died out in favor of dozens of other formats.

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        tomxp411 (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 1:38pm

        Re: Re: Shame

        Exactly.

        Look at the "standards" for remote controlling TV's and home theater equipment: rather than getting together and developing a single standard, every manufacturer has something different - so a Sony TV can't share remote control signals with a Pioneer receiver which can't control a Panasonic DVD player.

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      John Fenderson (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 10:46am

      Re: Shame

      there could have been a little compensation for him, no?


      He did get well-compensated, by designing some of the most popular synthesizers of his time.

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 1:06am

    Mmmm. It's easy to look at MIDI's popularity and ponder wistfully about how much licensing would have been worth. But the very reason he eschewed the patent is what would have made it considerably less popular, and possibly killed it off completely or at least left it in relative obscurity. As a result, minimal or no license fees to be had.

    He is probably no poorer for having done this, and has made the world richer as a result. Definitely the right choice.

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    • identicon
      The Real Michael, 13 Apr 2013 @ 6:51am

      Re:

      Bravo. MIDI would not have become the standard in electronic music production had it been placed under lock & key. I use it all the time and it is wonderful to work with. Others have attempted to supplant it yet none have succeeded. Two of MIDI's core strengths are its universal application and economic file size (in comparison with stuff like mp3, wav, etc.).

      It's interesting to note that although MIDI is free, some have found roundabout ways of monetizing it, such as selling soundfonts (which are like sound libraries, often with real samples, which can be loaded into your sound card and/or virtual memory), MIDI interfaces to enhance music production and a host of other products and software.

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    Beech, 13 Apr 2013 @ 1:12am

    "instead offering up his idea for the world to steal"

    no doubt ridiculous use of the word steal! Like me putting a plate of cookies out at work with a sign that says "Free cookies!" then having the cops arrest anyone who takes one for larceny. If someone is "giving" something away for "free" than it is impossible to "steal" it.

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    • identicon
      New Mexico Mark, 13 Apr 2013 @ 6:11am

      Re:

      But what if someone took your free cookies, copyrighted the recipe (I know you can't copyright a recipe, but bear with me), then sued you for theft of intellectual property for using "their" recipe? That would seem like stealing to me.

      I find it interesting that it is actually copyright and IP laws that make stealing an idea possible. Without that you simply have sharing or flattery by imitation. Wouldn't freedom from (or greatly reduced) copyright and IP law make for a much nicer world? (With liberty and better cookies for all!)

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      • identicon
        Beech, 13 Apr 2013 @ 6:32am

        Re: Re:

        Well, in that hypothetical, the "someone"who took the cookie didn't steal the initial cookie, but did steal the ip maybe? Then again, if I didn't register my cookie-copyright, was it really ever mine to begin with?

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    F.Fall, 13 Apr 2013 @ 2:18am

    Employee Inventions

    Tim Berners Lee was working under contract to CERN. Surely, everything he invented therefore belonged to CERN (ie. European Taxpayers) and so it wasn't his personal IP, and he couldn't have patented WWW if he tried. That is the normal rule for industrial employee inventions.

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      Richard (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 2:45am

      Re: Employee Inventions

      That is the normal rule for industrial employee inventions.
      That is part of the rule written in a typical contract, however the true situation is typically much more complex.

      Two scenarios exist:

      1. The work is done as part of a project set up by the employer with pre-defined expectations in respect of patent rights. The will have been spelled out in advance - and the decision about whether to patent will have been made before the invention. If that had been the case then CERN would have patented it regardless of TBL's opinion.

      2. The work is an independent initiative by an employee whose contract gives some freedom to work on whatever he thinks will be useful. The decision to patent then belongs to the inventor (because only he is aware that something patentable exists). Typically in those cases, although the organisation would own the patent by default, they would usually make some agreement to pay royalties and/or give some control to the inventor.

      I believe that the WWW fell under category 2. Hence, although TBL would not have owned the patent the decision would have been his and he would have benefitted from any royalties.

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    Richard (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 2:28am

    Cassette

    Yet another example is the old compact cassette.

    From Wikipedia:
    Although there were other magnetic tape cartridge systems, Philips' Compact Cassette became dominant as a result of Philips' decision in the face of pressure from Sony to license the format free of charge.

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      tomxp411 (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 1:39pm

      Re: Cassette

      IIRC, VHS was also developed by Philips and licensed for free. That's why it beat out Betamax.

      And, of course, it's why Sony did everything they could to win the format wars between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

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  • identicon
    Wolfy, 13 Apr 2013 @ 4:19am

    Two words

    Nikola Tesla.

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    cassiel, 13 Apr 2013 @ 7:54am

    Documents

    I may be misremembering this, but I seem to recall that, while use of MIDI was free, the specification from the MIDI Manufacturers' Association was under copyright and you had to pay to be a member before you could get a copy. (These days you can just download it.)

    Many manufacturers used to treat the MIDI specification of their instruments as totally proprietary. (The American companies were much worse that the Japanese.)

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    Shon Gale (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 8:50am

    It won't be Apple or Microsoft. Apple will sue over stupid rounded corners and Microsoft will bore us to death with squares. Strange world!

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    madasahatter (profile), 13 Apr 2013 @ 10:32am

    MDID standard

    He allowed others and potentially himself to make more money because there was a free standard to use. What is often forgotten with IP issues is that are often more ways to make money from the idea other than selling patent rights. If the underlying standard or technology is it lowers costs to enter the market for derivative product producers and it will be widespread leading to quick consumer acceptance. This, also, leads to a larger consumer market because the derivative devices/technology will more likely be compatible with each other. USB devices are very popular because the USB specification is a standard device interface. As consumer I can confidently buy a USB device and know it will work pending possible driver installation with my computer.

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    vic Kley, 13 Apr 2013 @ 7:21pm

    great argument for patents

    Unless patented midi could have been asserted by others in divers countries

    Patents protect philanthropic efforts.

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    staff, 13 Apr 2013 @ 9:12pm

    another biased article

    'Tim Berners-Lee decided not to patent it'

    His contribution to what the Internet has become is unknown at this time. It takes years or even decades to fully understand who contributed what. Whatever his contributions were and to what extent they were patentable, it is his right to forfeit them. He may have had no choice as at the time he worked for a government entity in Europe.

    These are mere dissemblings by huge multinational thieves and their paid puppets -some in Congress, the White House and elsewhere in the federal government. They have already damaged the US patent system so that property rights are teetering on lawlessness. Simply put, their intent is to legalize theft -to twist and weaken the patent system so it can only be used by them and no one else. Then they can steal at will and destroy their small competitors AND WITH THEM THE JOBS THEY WOULD HAVE CREATED. Meanwhile, the huge multinationals ship more and more US jobs overseas.

    Do you know how to make a Stradivarius violin? Neither does anyone else. Why? There was no protection for creations in his day so he like everyone else protected their creations by keeping them secret. Civilization has lost countless creations and discoveries over the ages for the same reason. Think we should get rid of patents? Think again...or just think.

    Most important for many is what the patent system does for the US economy. Our founders: Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and others felt so strongly about the rights of inventors that they included inventors rights to their creations and discoveries in the Constitution. They understood the trade off. Inventors are given a limited monopoly and in turn society gets the benefits of their inventions (telephone, computer, airplane, automobile, lighting, etc) into perpetuity and the jobs the commercialization of those inventions bring. For 200 years the patent system has not only fueled the US economy, but the world’s. If we weaken the patent system we force inventors underground like Stradivarius and in turn weaken our economy and job creation. Worse yet, we destroy the American dream -the ability to prosper from our ingenuity for the benefit of our children and communities. Who knows who the next Alexander Graham Bell will be. It could be your son or daughter. It could be you. To kill or weaken the patent system is to kill their futures.

    For the truth, please see http://www.truereform.piausa.org/
    https://www.facebook.com/pi.ausa.5
    http://piausa.wordpress.com/
    http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/142741
    http://cpip.gmu.edu/2013/03/15/t he-shield-act-when-bad-economic-studies-make-bad-laws/

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2013 @ 2:30am

      Re: another biased article

      Yeah, because actually thinking of the idea was clearly "unknown contribution", jackass.

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      Karl (profile), 14 Apr 2013 @ 7:54am

      Re: another biased article

      For anyone reading at home, PIA USA is the "Professional Inventors Alliance," a pro-patent astroturf "organization" run by Ronald J. Riley. His Wordpress site posts almost exactly the same text as above in response to every single article it discusses.

      He is a total nutcase. No actual facts are ever given, he constantly slings ad hominem attacks, and he presents anyone who wants to reform the patent system (to any degree) as "huge multinational thieves and their paid puppets - some in Congress, the White House and elsewhere in the federal government."

      There's a compendium of his nutty proclamations here:
      http://ronaldjriley.blogspot.com/

      Ironically, in 2008 Riley was sued by John Dozier, who is perhaps the only person on the planet to have even more extreme views on IP than Riley (but about copyrights, rather than patents).

      The text of the complaint is an interesting read:
      http://www.dozier-internetlaw.org/
      In 1990, Riley found himself unemployed. A community college dropout, he was soon living in a mobile home. And then he came up with an ingenious plan. Riley enjoyed tinkering, and so he decided to falsely portray himself as a renowned and successful inventor, even though he was neither. The Internet gave him an idea. If he could create a false identity, he could convince those not familiar with his background that he was an expert in entrepreneurial ventures and inventions. Then he could make money as a consultant and offer feigned “expertise” to assist inventors and entrepreneurs in commercializing their ideas and creations. [...]

      Through this fraud, Ronald J. Riley has gone from an unemployed community college dropout living in a mobile home to an assumed identity of a credentialed investigative journalist, an associate of a Nobel Prize winner, the titular leader of seemingly prestigious inventor industry think tanks and powerful special interest groups, a Washington, D.C. powerbroker and friend of U.S. Senators and Congressmen, an award winning inventor revered by MIT, and a sought after speaker by the Harvard Law School. Riley has perpetrated one of the most successful business credential frauds ever committed upon the inventor and entrepreneur community.

      Is any of this true? Beats me. But considering how Riley portrays himself on the Web, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2013 @ 9:24pm

      Re: another biased article

      It could be your son or daughter. It could be you. To kill or weaken the patent system is to kill their futures.


      Not quite reactionary enough, needs more "FOR THE BABIES, FREEDOM, CHILDREN, AND APPLE PIE, PROTECT PATENTS TO PROTECT APPLE PIE".

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  • identicon
    jon tell, 14 Apr 2013 @ 1:44am

    semantic reality smokescreen

    ...& as we twitter&facebook-away with digital technology, the forces of darkness(cabal) conspire to ever-oppress & control the world's politics & resources...

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    special-uninteresting, 14 Apr 2013 @ 6:10am

    MIDI is a good example of the great things that can happen when we share knowledge freely. MIDI itself was a great idea but alone its just that, a sole lonely idea. What makes the MIDI standard great is its universal implementation facilitated by David Smith's selfless vision and the importance of industry standards/compatibility.

    Would MIDI be a successful universal standard without such initial boost given by the original inventor? Maybe not, possibly unlikely. Its only a control language and as such can be easily worked around. The likely crime of needless industry segregation would be committed and instead of a very usable universal music generation/control-language/playback-recording-sequencing-control-method we would have instead twenty different music control languages and only some popular (and expensive) and some usable (most likely open sourced).

    Some things are just not reasonable to patent. A good example would be the WWW. (Wide World Web) Tim Berners-Lee should deserve the Economic Nobel Prize for his contributions to world peace and prosperity. The economic advantage and spread of knowledge is incalculable and runner up or next years ENP should be David Smith for his MIDI contributions to the spread of Art cultural growth through music. Honestly.

    There should be more nationally recognized, significant monetary, awards for such valuable contributions to culture and society.

    MP3 and MPEG are good examples of (bad examples. Hahah) the bastardization of technology. The outright prohibitive licensing have forces dozens of splinter and separate codecs/encode formats worldwide. (LAME, OGG, Vorbis, etc.) Such various obscure formats lends to compatibility problems that lead to loss of valuable data and media. (Think of the lost family holiday videos/music recorded on unsupported formats.)

    A lot of good ideas are lost when licensing schemes wanting just a few cents each use quickly expand/grow greedily into fortune building forced fee monopoly empires (I remember some bar-code scamlike operation/patents using patent renewal-updating nonsense) charging hundreds of dollars for each program/license/use.

    Am not totally against patents or copytight (what? Right? Wrong!) but each must be reigned in drastically (both in term length and scope) to preserve US growth through innovation and new technology developed by using older technology in new ways with new materials and such.

    For the cultural explosion we all can taste and feel (can you?) in our bones it is copyright that must be castrated before any such cool type of social revolution can occur.

    Capitalism is a powerful concept that I wholeheartedly endorse but that is contrasted by the very real need to prevent monopolies from taking advantage of it also. Both paten and copyright law are by definition monopolies and as such must be neutered at birth. Atm me thinkds that both should be limited to terms of 14 years. (less?) If more then only be some sort of creative commons type method.


    Reactionary;

    I like the cookies analogy. Better MIDI cookies for all!

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    Pegr, 14 Apr 2013 @ 5:02pm

    Misplaced attention

    Midi is a slightly altered RS232 interface to begin with. There is nothing patentable about it. RS232 has been used for serial data communications for sixty years.

    Perhaps you may wish to understand the technology further before commenting as to its patentability.

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      Anonymous Coward, 14 Apr 2013 @ 9:26pm

      Re: Misplaced attention

      Midi is a slightly altered RS232 interface to begin with. There is nothing patentable about it. RS232 has been used for serial data communications for sixty years.


      Correct about one thing, completely incorrect about it's patentability, perhaps you should take your own advice.

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:19am

      Re: Misplaced attention

      don't try to confuse them, if they cannot understand the difference between an invention and a standard, or that all the technology and inventions were already in place, it was simply standardised, NOT invented..

      But your average TD reader (and writer) has trouble with technical things.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:16am

    wow 30 years and ONE (and not very good) example, !!!! how long did you have to search to find this single and not that important example ??

    So just 1 thing you can show case, in 30 YEARS !!!!!

    it was also not an invention, it is a standard, to make it a standard you need people to adopt it.

    it's just an interface standard, like 'centronics' or TCP/IP or RS-232. For them to become an adopted standard, that is what is required.

    It's not an invention, all the technology for MIDI was already in place, he standardised it that is all.. and it was 30 years ago..

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:24am

    What would the title of the patent for MIDI be

    Patents are "A method to achieve a specific result"

    such as "a method to catch and kill mice".

    MIDI is NOT A METHOD to achieve anything.

    It is a STANDARD, a defined interface, but it is not an invention.

    nothing had to be invented for MIDI to be created, just an agreement between manufacturers on a common (standard) interface.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:33am

    Musical Instrument Digital Interface

    Think:

    Pianola rolls, meets that criteria, it's digital (hols or 1's no hols for 0's), It's a musical instrument interface.

    that was developed in the 1800's.

    and technologies relating to the pianola were patented, just as the technology relating to MIDI are also patented..

    But not MIDI itself.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:40am

    MIDI was and is also basically a FLOP

    or failure, it's is seldom used, and is only ever really a feature on synths and keyboards, try finding a guitar or drums, or cello or flute, or any live performance or band that uses MIDI.. you wont find any.. It never really took off and has little functionality.

    and yet for musicians it has been hugely important in providing a common standard for playing and composing digital music.

    So NO.. it's not really.. it is in fact that very important at all.

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      tomxp411 (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 1:46pm

      Re: MIDI was and is also basically a FLOP

      Not useful?

      Tell that to every composer ever who uses sequencers to put together music for an entire orchestra, then transcribe the whole thing automatically.

      Or did you think that people still have to write out music by hand and imagine it in their head like Beethoven did?

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:55am

    Alessandro Volta

    Why did you not use this as your example ??

    we invented something, that (a generation later) because a very important thing.. THE BATTERY

    he invented the Voltaic pile, (the battery), we wrote an article to the Royal Society and told everyone about it. He did not patent it..

    At that time the battery had no practical application, but today there are quite a few application for batteries.. if he had of patented it, he would have made no money off it, as there were no applications for it.

    MIDI by itself is nothing, you cannot create any sounds with a 'midi' you need other equipment and inventions for it to be functional. .

    but MIDI by itself is as useful as a battery by itself you need them to make something else work.. something else that needs to be invented and sold.

    again, you never go to a music shop and say "can I have one midi please"

    also, the 'internet' is not an invention, it is a standard for communications between computers, communication between computers happened well before the internet. You also don't go and say "can I buy one internet please".

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    Ninja (profile), 15 Apr 2013 @ 3:55am

    I don't think Sir Tim Berners-Lee has any reason to regret not patenting. The most common argument is that without patents the inventors would just starve to death and yet he has recognition, money to lead a comfortable life.

    The real thing is to get your name associated with the invention. Once there the rest comes naturally.

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