Remember When White House Insisted James Clapper Wasn't Overseeing Review Of Surveillance? About That...

from the we'll-just-redefine-"oversee" dept

Mon, Sep 23rd 2013 7:37am — Mike Masnick

You may recall that President Obama announced plans for an "independent group" of "outside experts" who would: "consider how we can maintain the trust of the people, how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used [and] ask how surveillance impacts our foreign policy." Except, three days later, it was revealed that the review board would be overseen by confessed liar to Congress James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence. After that got a ton of bad press, the White House hastily insisted that Clapper would not be associated with the group.

Right, so about that. According to the AP, the whole thing is more or less being managed by James Clapper:

... the review panel has effectively been operating as an arm of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the NSA and all other U.S. spy efforts.

The panel's advisers work in offices on loan from the DNI. Interview requests and press statements from the review panel are carefully coordinated through the DNI's press office. James Clapper, the intelligence director, exempted the panel from U.S. rules that require federal committees to conduct their business and their meetings in ways the public can observe. Its final report, when it's issued, will be submitted for White House approval before the public can read it.

Now, Clapper may not technically be on the committee or running it, but since everything is under control of his offices, and they're working out of his offices, does anyone actually believe they're even remotely "independent"?

Oh, and remember how President Obama described how this group would focus on making sure the systems couldn't be abused and rebuilding the trust of the public? Yeah, that's not actually their mandate (or, if it is, it got shoved way, way down on the priority list). Also, the whole promise of it being "independent" was already seen as a joke once everyone realized they were insiders, but even the official memo setting up the board did away with the claim (stated just days earlier by the President) that this would be an independent board. And the actual focus of the board is not, actually, on what has most people concerned:

The formal White House memorandum days later — effectively the legal charter for the group — does not specify anything about its role being independent of the Obama administration. It directed the panel to emphasize in its review whether U.S. spying programs protect national security, advance foreign policy and are protected against the types of leaks that led to the national debate in the first place. The final consideration in the White House memo told the panel to examine "our need to maintain the public trust." There was no mention of the panel investigating surveillance abuses.

Basically, this board, which was proposed by the President -- or so he told us -- as a way to review the efforts and rebuild the trust of the American public, was actually set up to be something entirely different: a propaganda committee effectively overseen by James Clapper to talk up how awesome the surveillance state has become.

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rw (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 6:00am

Why so surprised? It's the same thing over and over. Isn't that the definition of something?
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 7:59am
  
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  It's called INSANITY!
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Ninja (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 6:08am

Well, it's consistent with the way he has been acting since he started campaigning. Yes, we can!
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silverscarcat (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 6:10am

Yeah...
Let's just get the Amash amendment back up for a vote. I think that the NSA would get defunded this time around.
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- AdamBv1 (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:03am
  
  Re: Yeah...
  I think it needs to go a bit further than the Amash amendment at this point, we need to do more than just defund certain parts of the NSA and do away with the whole thing.
  
  Of course the cockroaches involved will scurry around and find nice hiding places in the DHS, CIA, FBI, etc and just rebuild these programs there...
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Michael, 23 Sep 2013 @ 7:50am

James Clapper
Credit where credit is due. This guy is amazing! He spies on US citizens, lies to congress about it, lies directly to the American people, ADMITS he has been spying and lying - and ends up with the independent investigators WORKING OUT OF HIS OFFICES!

He is either the king of bulllshitting, or he has some very compromising pictures of both democratic and republican leaders.

I think he should be thrown in prison, but I'm not sure if it is because he is an awful individual or that I am just jealous.
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- Uriel-238 (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 12:21pm
  
  A persian cat, of course.
  I've already hypothesized how the NSA surveillance programs must be run by some cat-stroking evil genius, considering it has successfully taken control of all three branches of the US (and therefore its robust military and law enforcement departments).
  
  He always runs while others walk.
  He asks while other men just talk.
  He sees the world and wants it all...
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 7:56am

"consider how we can maintain the trust of the people"

what trust? lol
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 11:07am
  
  "consider how we can maintain the trust of the people"
  No, no... They are examining whether there is a need to maintain the trust of the people, not how to.
  
  [The final consideration in the White House memo told the panel to examine "our need to maintain the public trust."]
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:01am

Wow. Dat emphasized part.

The goal is not to fix the issues, the goal is to not get caught again. Nice.
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:08am

So more window dressing and nothing of substance...
We are going to deal with this issue!!!! by letting people who are responsible handle it.

I wonder if this job listing is for anything more than another yes man.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/1137255/nsa-posts-opening-for-civil-liberties-privacy-o fficer
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:13am

To "maintain the public trust" would imply that there still is some, but that ship has long sailed.
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Y, 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:17am

Not that I am defending Obama but I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA got some dirt on him or his family. At least it would explain some of the change of heart. And once you are in...
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:54am
  
  Re:
  I'm less worried about Obama, and more worried about Obama's Secret Servicemen. What if they're the ones being blackmailed, and at any moment they could be activated, and cause an "accident" involving Michelle or his kids?
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  - art guerrilla (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 2:00pm
    
    Re: Re:
    there is an apocryphal story about how a new pres get elected, and before he/she takes office, a group of shadowy types working for the power elites, takes them aside and shows them a 'home movie'...
    
    the movie shows the kennedy entourage going through dallas on 22 nov 1963, and is from an angle never seen before, the movie clearly shows kennedy getting his head blowed off from the grassy knoll...
    
    after the movie, the lights come back up, and the shadowy folk ask the new president: 'any questions ?'...
    
    just sayin'...
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:25am

It directed the panel to emphasize in its review whether U.S. spying programs protect national security, advance foreign policy and are protected against the types of leaks that led to the national debate in the first place. The final consideration in the White House memo told the panel to examine "our need to maintain the public trust." There was no mention of the panel investigating surveillance abuses.

Protect national security = Preserve the power of the federal government and the corporations that increasingly control it.

Advance foreign policy = Further the ability of the US federal government to interfere in other governments, but primarily allowing corporations to gain increasing control of other governments (often through increased "trade agreements" like TPP) just as they have done in the US.

are protected against the types of leaks that led to the national debate in the first placeour need to maintain the public trust. = Our need to keep the general population in the dark about how this planet is being transformed from a collection of independent nations into a global corporate oligarchy run by territorial "administrators"
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Namel3ss (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 8:45am

We have always been at war with Eastasia....
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:04am

I haven't been at war with anyone.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:15am

If you're doing nothing illegal, you've got nothing to hide.

So you can safety assume they have *something* to hide and Snowden hasn't revealed it.

He's not afraid of what has been reveal, he's afraid of what *might* yet be revealed.
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Paul (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:27am

And..........Where are the Trolls?
This is something I am not just seeing here. I am seeing it everywhere stories like this one come out.

Nobody is really defending this stuff. Almost all of us see the Security State as something either out of control or headed that way.

I wonder if anyone in Washington D.C. is listening?

I mean, besides the NSA?
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:43am

Maintain trust?
How can they maintain something that they have lost/discarded? The question is who can we trust now, we know that most every gov Rep. that has spoken on this issue has lied over and over again. The most trustworthy thing they could do now is to resign en mass. This might cause chaos, which actually could be an improvement on the current state of affairs.
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- That Anonymous Coward (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:51am
  
  Re: Maintain trust?
  maybe we could replace them with people who care about getting work done instead of grandstanding the country off a cliff to prove who has the biggest penis?
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dd, 23 Sep 2013 @ 9:54am

Chicago Way
Obama is a Chicago Democrat. The Univ of Illinois research showed that Chicago is the most politically corrupt city in the nation. Everyone from the Chicago burbs knew that Obama would end being the most corrupt President in history. Why the media didn't tie him to Illinois Gov Blago's plan to sell Obama's Senate seat is criminal. Obama had to know and should be Blago's cell mate for the next 25 years. And then the IRS attacks political opponents with government coercion! China is this corrupt!
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- Michael, 23 Sep 2013 @ 12:44pm
  
  Re: Chicago Way
  They pull a knife, you pull a gun.
  He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue.
  
  THAT's the Chicago way.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 10:00am

i would suggest that, apart from dismantling all these 'security agencies' and starting again, with the correct people in charge and oversight being conducted as it should, at all times, Mr President needs to offer his resignation. surely there has to be an end put on all this bull? how much more does the government expect the people to take before the repercussions get out of hand?
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Sep 2013 @ 10:01am

This won't end all the abuse. It's pure coverup and bandaids. Notice that no one has released info that kills people but it sure has released a lot of embarrassing info. With all this going on, everyone is intent not on what has been revealed but what might be revealed. Were it bad enough to put them seriously on the spot, they'd be doing something about it besides cover up. So all this means is there is far worse we haven't heard anything about.

Since no one is interested in doing the right thing it is obvious there is only one other step to take. Bring back the Amish amendment and end their funding. But don't stop at the public side, take the black budget side from the pentagon at the same time. Once salaries stop, I think there would then come the possibility of a change of attitude.

That's where were at. What little trust in the government there was, went off the cliff. They'll actually have to do something to restore it. The NSA isn't by itself enough.
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Jerrymiah, 23 Sep 2013 @ 11:47am

Remember When White House Insisted James Clapper Wasn't Overseeing Review Of Surveillance
Who today can believe whatever Obama says. Him, along with CLapper, ALexander and Hayden (and quite a few others)should be expulsed from the US or prevented from ever holding public office again. None of them can actually be trusted. The're all a bunch of liars.
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Uriel-238 (profile), 23 Sep 2013 @ 12:21pm

If Obama holds his breath, it'll blow over.
Right?

Right?

Right?
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Sep 2013 @ 10:29pm

I read this insider panel had two separate meetings last week, at two separate locations.

One meeting was held for US IT firms, such as Google and Apple. The other meeting for privacy groups, such as ACLU and EFF.

The fact this insider panel is separating everyone into two separate groups, speaks volumes about they see spying abuses as two separate issues. Not related to each other.
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jean, 12 Nov 2013 @ 2:16pm

Thanks
Nice information :)
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