Silk Road Vendor Who Says He Never Sold Anything Illegal Wants His Bitcoins Back
from the this-could-get-interesting dept
A former Silk Road vendor by the name of Peter Ward is apparently preparing a lawsuit to demand the return of his Bitcoins, which are now owned by the US government after the seizure of Silk Road last year. According to Andy Greenberg at Forbes:On Thursday, Ward began the process of retaining a lawyer to file a claim for what he says were 100 bitcoins–worth around $95,000 at current exchange rates–seized by the FBI in the takedown of the Silk Road online black market for drugs last October. Unlike most of Silk Road’s sellers, Ward says he earned his bitcoins through entirely legal means, offering the same merchandise that he advertises on the public Internet from his head shop Planet Pluto in Devon, England.It turns out that soon after the Silk Road takedown, he too was arrested in the UK, having all of his electronics seized. It likely complicates matters that he also had some cocaine and marijuana at his home when he was arrested. However, he insists that nothing he sold online was illegal, and he has been released on bail and not charged with any crimes.
“I’m probably in a unique position in that I can prove my coins came from selling legal items,” says Ward, who argues his wares included only drug accessories and UK-legal substances like salvia and the morphine-like kratom. “I sold on Silk Road because it had a large user base that matched my target customers. Where better to sell king-size rolling papers?”
The legal issues here will get complicated fast, made much more complicated by the mess that is the US's seizure and forfeiture laws, a set of laws that are both exceptionally complicated and regularly prone to abuse by law enforcement -- effectively allowing them to steal whatever they want at will, and then sell off to help their agency/police department profit in the process.
That said, in the mess of those laws, there are some very specific things that law enforcement needs to do in order to keep the property they seize and forfeit, and law enforcement isn't always known for following those specific rules. I imagine that the DOJ's response will be to try to quickly dismiss any such case, noting that anything remotely touching Silk Road is somehow tainted and associated with a criminal act, but that may be harder to back up in court if it ever gets that far.
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so he was bailed but not charged ? how does that work?
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No, if he's on bail but not charged it means he has agreed to appear later at a police station and may be charged later. Basically he's out until they make their minds up.
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You can also be on unconditional bail on recognisance
which basically means its a non monetary bond of good behaviour where an individual undertakes to observe and/or meet some condition(s).
Can be used if the court would most likely summon someone as a material witness and that witness has a reasonable risk of non attendance
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... Or as in this case it is used for by the Police as an after arrest bail if no charge has been laid though an investigation is ongoing. The person has a duty to return to police station for questioning (they don't have to specifically answer questions just attend) if the police have further evidence JUSTIFYING an arrest.
Here's the actual UK Act and part describing it for those interested/bored ;) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/47/enacted
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Please don't confuse US and UK law.
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tumbling
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Strange how they are NEVER prosecuted by the countries who's legal laws they have themselves breached.
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Which the CPS obviously didn't prove.
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"noting that anything remotely touching Silk Road is somehow tainted and associated with a criminal act"
Again, this is NOT an anomaly swept up by rare circumstance, but someone who was out on the margins knowingly and at length, willingly associated with obvious drug dealing, and the only answer reasonable is "BOOHOO".
It's also amazing how closely "libertarians" associate with drug use. Anyone who devotes themselves to dulling their humanity with drugs deserves no sympathy from anyone who wishes to save civilization from the many other kinds of savages.
This isn't bad case making bad precedent, it's bad actors getting well-known and routine sanctions for clear stupidity.
You piratey kids aren't on any noble march for freedom. You're just stealing mindless entertainments. No amount of your watching Hollywood's videos will make the world better -- quite the opposite: it'll just dull your minds further. (195 of 195)
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This is yet more proof positive that Blue is adamantly opposed to the rule of law, and in favor the rule of his own opinion.
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Once law enforcement has your property, they fight tooth and nail to keep it and he will likely spend more trying to get it back than it's worth.
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i imagine the times you get restitution are 1/10th to 1/100th of the times the piggies/feds/etc simply TAKE YOUR SHIT...
its that RICO crap being used on EVERYONE (except bidnesses doing REAL RICO crap)...
really, just another unconstitutional brick in the wall of fascism being built around us all...
all the oppression is simply to protect their corruption...
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/863
And then there are asset forfeiture laws, which will make getting back the money very difficult in any case.
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Oh and at same time Ebay itself can be seized..
WOOT!!!!
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fail
There is no "getting back" or "refunds" in bitcoin. If the coins were held in accounts controlled by Silk Road, they "owned" them.
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Silver back from Sunshine Mint
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