NYPD Officers Expect Public To Be Stupider Than They Are; Justify Shutting Down Recording With 'iPhones Are Guns' Claim
from the you-can't-fix-stupid,-you-can-only-assign-it-to-desk-duty dept
When the appeal to authority fallacy doesn't work, try appealing to ludicrousness. That seems to be the M.O. in play here. NYPD officers arrested a bicyclist for running a red light, but that arrest wasn't effected until the bicyclist attempted to film the interaction. Here's all ten seconds of it before the cop shut the arrestee's impromptu shooting down.
I was told by another officer while in the car that recording a police officer was illegal because people are using iPhones as guns and shooting cops through the camera lens...I told him that I have the right to be recording a cop and he said that there were incidents, specifically in uptown Manhattan where a kid shot a cop with his iPhone. Straight face. Very serious.Now, it's true that recording footage is often slangily referred as "shooting footage," and that cops are increasingly on the receiving end of these types of "shootings." But there has yet to be any evidence produced that indicates phones and cameras are being converted into guns on any sort of mass scale or that these new hybrids are so common that this "fear" has a rational basis.
A kid may have "shot" a cop with his iPhone, but without any data to back up this claim, the only thing taking a hit was the officer's mistaken belief that public service is afforded an expectation of privacy. Cops telling citizens this sort of cop-centric urban legend to defend the trampling of the First Amendment indicates that they believe citizens are idiots.
Paybarah, meanwhile, spent 13 hours in lockup over a red light infraction. Well, not entirely. By the time the cop was finished effecting the arrest of the person holding the theoretically weaponized iPhone, charges of resisting arrest, obstruction and criminal mischief had been added -- charges that are just as malleable as cops' minds.
Cops walk or drive by plenty of people holding "weapons" in plain sight, all of them unlicensed and potentially deadly. An overwhelming majority of the public wouldn't even consider leaving the house without being "strapped," and yet, months and years go by without cops being shot in the face by iGuns. Perhaps the police chalk up this low rate of deadly incidents to their expedient neutralization of
Better safe than sorry -- that's the real intent of the Constitution. An officer getting home safe (and unrecorded) at the end of every shift is a far worthier goal than the vague rights pre-supposed to idiot citizens by a handful of amendments.
Maybe the cops should switch out their service pieces for deadly cameras -- you know, in order to keep up with "the streets" in the arms race. That way, the next time they get drunk and start shooting, the end result will be nothing more than a bunch of shitty Instagrams.
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You... Satanic terrorist.
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Shooting video
Can we please get some competent people in law enforcement?
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They...are not.
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Fair enough...
Show me - until I see that, this "officer" is just another lying sack of shit who MUST be doing something wrong, since he obviously has something to hide.
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THAT is their modus operandi...
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If you're not smart enough to figure this out, maybe "cop" is too challenging a job for you
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We'd likely be talking about something that would effectively be a BB or air gun pellet with a compressed air mechanism to actually fire the "bullet", as there simply wouldn't be enough room in an iphone casing for a full shell casing fit in that direction.
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sure, the barrel would be zero length.
but if you remove all the iphone internals,
you could have a place for a firing pin that moves sideways, hits a custom primer which directs its force through an angled pipe to behind the bullet which would fly forward.
aim would be awful.
and I think there could be enough force to break the skin, though not a skull.
at close range the expansion of as and propellant might actually be more dangerous.
and you'd have to hol the phone in such a way that it wouldn't flay backwards into your face.
BUT.. you could, with some machining skills, make a projectile fly through a loosened lens of an iphone.
although it could be much more efficient (and even possibly deadly) if you ignored the 'shoot from the lens' concept and had the barrel masquerading as the audio plug.
the bullet would still be smaller than a .22, as I think the .22 is too big to fit within the thickness of the phone, but that just means a smaller caliber bullet.
if I was a machinist, I would say "challenge accepted!".
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Or it could just be the cop doesn't want to be filmed and will make up any excuse to avoid it, but like that would EVER happen, cops always tell the truth right?
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Needed a laugh
NY Cops are just IDIOTS! What a failure of intelligence.
These are the people entrusted to protect New York?
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LOOK OUT HE HAS A FINGER!
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Considering what went down at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada
If any reaction to the NYPD twitter account is a measure of satisfaction with "Law Enforcement" I think the day may be closer at hand than one realizes.
But perhaps I'm just being optimistic.
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They were sued a few times for refusing to hire intelligent recruits. That is the reason NYPD is out of touch with reality.
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The cops are telling people that one constitutional right is illegal because they are using a second constitutional right?
So using more than one constitutional right at the same time makes it illegal? Does one cancel out the other or something?
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Not that it actually had any possibility of being a weapon. I refuse to believe that someone used an iPhone as a gun to shoot a police officer and that fact was not reported in the media. That's the sort of story they'd eat up, and there's no way they'd overlook it if it involved an officer getting shot.
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my new phone's specs!!
CPU: 2.82 Ghrtz
Storage: 128 Gb
Caliber: 22mm
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Be careful of the recoil.
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iGuns
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Deserves only one response.
"Are you high?"
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Please answer this for me: is life REALLY harder when you're stupid?
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These individuals demonstrate how to film thugs correctly.
http://www.infowars.com/video-buffalo-cops-beat-down-handcuffed-man-after-traffic-violatio n/
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Not a firearm, but at least a stun gun
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You IP cocksuckers are freaks, you know that?
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err
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Police Juice Up on Steroids to Get 'Edge' on Criminals, by Susan James, ABC, Oct 18, 2007
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So, in your opinion, the officer is making an offensive request, rather than issuing a reasonable order.
Yes? No? Maybe?
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So, yeah, the officer is unreasonably executing a reasonable request. Anger, determination and authority coupled with fuckall intelligent design where a superior officer would be quite clear, polite and reasonable in this non-combative setting. (can confirm, have been superiorally officered)
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Now I finally understand why filmmakers make promises like "we start shooting in two weeks." They're terrorists threatening the actors they've taken hostage.
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Priorities
Well, no. Your number one goal is to haul stuff from place to place. A close second might be doing so safely, but staying home is safer than not.
Likewise, the police and the laws they enforce do not exist primarily to get cops home safe. Yes, officer safety is a close second, but if you're not going to protect and serve the public, you might as well stay home.
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If a cop gets killed (or dies) it makes headline news. They have a huge police ceremony with all the cops attending and talking about how good of a person this was and how he didn't deserve this, etc..
The reason I know the cop saying that people have been 'shot' by this method is a lie is because I haven't seen any huge media parades over such incidents.
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Search Google: 1. cop shoots 10 lb. dog because he feared for his life (several of those) 2. cop shoots boy holding a Nintendo Wii 3. cops riddle truck that was the wrong make, wrong color, and had 2 women in it delivering newspapers.
4.Cop shoots mentally challenged boy while negotiators were talking him down. 5. FBI shoots woman in the neck while she is standing on the porch holding her baby. 6. cops bust down door and shoot 92 yr old grandmother who was holding a gun because of the neighborhood crime. 7. cop shoots young man running towards him for help. 8. I could go on but you get the idea.
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something I learned
While you might have every *right* to film cops without breaking any laws, just remember that in the "real world" there is basically just one law: Don't anger cops.
And maybe one rule-of-thumb: anyone who doesn't cooperate 100% with authorities (inc. standing up for one's Constitutional rights) is a criminal with something to hide.
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Perhaps the cop should have considered the camera before walking up to the person filming. I mean, if he REALLY considers it a physical threat, then coming CLOSER to it sounds like a monumentally stupid thing to do.
just remember that in the "real world" there is basically just one law: Don't anger cops.
This has got to be some of the most ridiculous "advice" - if a cop is BREAKING the law, I really don't give a shit as to how angry he gets, no more than the crack head getting angry after getting caught robbing the convenience store.
Being passive to having your rights violated is BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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1. Do it in pairs. One filming the cops. Another filming the first guy a little ways away.
2. Use technology that automatically offloads the media to another location where it cannot be tampered with even if your equipment is seized.
3. Have your equipment insured against breakage.
4. Research all the applicable laws and police policies prior in order to avoid accidentally giving the cops anything they can actually use against you meanwhile being able to recognize any and all missteps the police may make.
5. Have competent counsel that is prepared to handle the case should things get ugly.
6. Build relationships with people in the media that would be interested in spreading the story.
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A Whole New Line of Smartphones
AK-47
M-16 (Buy American)
Colt (Choose your calibre)
H&C
etc.....
A phone to tell your friends about and drive the NSA mad.
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I would love for the police to explain this. Maybe someone need to take them to court for spreading false information.
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OH noes !
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It's possible
The smallest standard caliber is a .22 bullet. In a modern iphone (iphone 5), there is simply not enough room to put a barrel and firing mechanism in a 0.30 inch (7.6 mm) thickness iphone 5 case. The barrel needed to prevent the iphone from exploding would be at least twice that width.
There is NO truth to that statement. While it might be possible to make a firearm out of a thicker phone/case, it would be a single shot device that would be hard to operate, impossible to reload and would have a risk of exploding.
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The citizens who pay those high prop. taxes definitely won't put up with stupid and uncivilized behavior. The union in those towns has made the unspoken tradeoff, increased pay, more citizen involvement, higher caliber of police civility and less confrontation.
They express it to their union members as follows: You're getting better pay and benefits and the demands are greater. Deal with it or go elsewhere.
Same can be said of the teacher's situation and other.
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Was this video shot by Azi Paybarah?
If so, where is that indicated?
I'm not saying it's fake but I would like some more authentication.
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We have the technology...
I'm glad the NYPD is finally getting to the bottom of this conspiracy.
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Is there a review board that can see if this guy is too stupid to be a cop. If he cannot tell the difference between a gun and a phone can he be allowed to be a cop. What if he sees someone with a pencil, assumes it is a knife, and shoots the person. What if he thinks a ten year old with a backpack is a terrorist?
If he grabbed the cell phone and he had no right is that battery. It looked like he got physical with the guy.
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