Canadian And American Politicians Use Ottawa Shootings As Excuses To Demand More Surveillance, Greater Policing Powers
from the more-arrests dept
As you may have heard, an apparently mentally unstable guy shot up the Canadian Parliament earlier this week, killing a soldier, before being shot dead himself. The attack certainly raises some questions -- about dealing with mental health, about security at the Parliament and probably a few other things as well. However, police state/surveillance state apologists have seen the window to expand their own powers and are taking it. It starts with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who wasn't shy about using this one-off incident as an excuse to massively expand the surveillance and police state:“Our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention and arrest,” the Prime Minister told the House of Commons. “They need to be much strengthened. I assure members that work which is already under way will be expedited.”So, not only will they expand the police and surveillance state, but they'll do it in an "expedited" fashion as a kneejerk response to one guy shooting up the Parliament. That seems like a recipe for bad decision making and the erosion of the rights of the public.
Oh, and some other Canadian politicians are already looking for ways to use this as an excuse to attack free speech online, because obviously that's the real problem here:
There is frustration in government, and among law enforcement agencies, that the authorities can’t detain or arrest people who express sympathy for atrocities committed overseas and who may pose a threat to public safety, one Conservative MP said. “Do we need new offences? If so which?”Down here in the US, at least it's not the President saying this kind of crap, just well-known terrorist appeaser Rep. Peter King who has declared that the Ottawa shootings mean that the US needs to start spying on all the Muslims to find out which ones are radicalized. I wonder how King would react to someone saying that, based on that, we should also spy on "all the Irish to find out which ones are radicalized." Or, you know, perhaps he wouldn't like that so much, seeing as he has a rather long history supporting Irish terrorists, and such surveillance might turn up something he wouldn't like.
Sources suggest the government is likely to bring in new hate speech legislation that would make it illegal to claim terrorist acts are justified online.
King, by the way, also attacks the "morons" at the NY Times and the ACLU for daring to push back against the NYPD's program of spying on Muslims. That now disbanded program, by the way, cost a ton and generated exactly zero leads. And yet, suddenly King thinks bringing it back is the answer?
This, unfortunately, is the ridiculous cycle of kneejerk defenders of the police and surveillance state. Privileged folks, in power, who use any excuse whatsoever to push for ever increasing power, and ever fewer rights by the public. It's a culture of control, paranoia and fear. These people aren't leaders, they're cowards in leadership positions.
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when you make peaceful dissent impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable...
DESPITE violent crimes and police murders at an all time low, the police HAVE BEEN militarized and mobilized AGAINST the citizenry (well, 1% of actual human beans, and nearly 100% of korporate personhoods are immune to police riots)...
they shoot our dogs, they ransack at will, they steal our money, they lie, extort, fabricate, and conspire ALL THE FUCKING TIME, and NOT ONE OF THEM will dare to 'do the right thing' and testify against the thin blue line of liars...
NOT ONE...
and hardly any get called on -MUCH LESS prosecuted- for their MURDERS, no matter you have the fucking video or not...
no, they know *exactly* why these types of 'random' incidents happen, and know they are only getting more frequent and more violent: what do a LOT of people have to lose ? ? ?
the velvet glove is off, fear the iron fist of Empire...
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Sorry, it's late, my mind's unraveling heh
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They always do. They create fictional demons to bolster their own power, then the abuse of that power summons real demons (patriots) to take them down. It happens over and over.
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You don't hear about police shootings until a ferguson happens , but a politician or policeman gets shot it becomes a grave injustice to our liberties.
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Not a coincidence there is that Mcain photo of him with various terrorist leaders.
Of course now that ISIS is targeting American interests who could have seen that coming, I mean it only happens every time the US funds and supplies violent terrorists.
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It's truly disgusting that this kind of thinking still exists in the United States.
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(fixed that for you)
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Ok, the majority of those who vote - elect.
However, this is rarely a majority of eligible voters and therefore not representative of the constituents.
I find it amusing when, after an election, the "winner" claims they have received a mandate when only 40% of the eligible voters cast a ballot. Winner gets maybe 51% of those votes, meaning that only 20%+ of the eligible voters thought that person should represent all 100% of the constituency. This is Bozo politics.
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And damn it, we need to stop being afraid that the other guy will get in if we don't vote for the least worst choice.
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Wonder no more.
http://youtu.be/mQju6nYu2Hc?t=4m45s
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Second, if that's any indication, he seems like he would be fine with the idea about spying 'all the Irish to find out which ones are radicalized', but I imagine that fervent 'support' for such broad spying would take a hit if someone mentioned that, due to his past actions and statements, he was going to have his personal data closely monitored, 'just in case'.
Those that advocate strongly for increased spying powers for the government and private interests, rarely react well when confronted with the idea that they might come under the microscope(perfect example: Feinstien being a fervent defender of the NSA, and then flipping out when another agency spied on her colleagues).
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If what you are already doing, which literally is shitting on the Constitution, isn't enough why in the name of all that is holy would you keep demanding more?
Rep. King is a terrorist sympathizer. Period full stop.
He should be the FIRST to have himself monitored before he demands it for anyone else. If he is unwilling to accept that sort of invasive pointless spying on himself & others why in fucks name should anyone else accept it? Or shall we finally accept that this isn't fear of a religion but and end run around fear of people who are different (read brown).
Horrible things happen, the fact they happened despite the tremendous violations of citizens rights needs to be a wake up call to a couple of things...
- You can not/will not ever be 100% safe stop expecting it.
- You can NOT make anyone safer as long as we keep the xenophobic/racist undertones in play.
We gave them all that they wanted, they took so much more and still are unable to do what they promised this would do.
It is time we make them stop and rethink or replace them with people who will not just do soundbite/appealing to the lowest common fears law making but do the hard work of accepting reality and stop demonizing everyone who is different.
I don't fear Muslims, I fear people who have hijacked a message to get their way no matter the cost to others... oh and those ISIS guys are pretty bad too.
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There are no races undertones anymore. It has become overt. How about "nursed grievances against the government and against white people,"
makes Zale Thomas a terrorist.
The LA Times was worse. I'm sure Fox News and their talking heads will make it seem like a race riot.
How about the fact that the cops shot a bystander? Shouldn't they be trained to not shoot if a they could hit a bystander? Wouldn't it have been better for the officer to take a hatchet blow to the arm than to shoot an innocent bystander? Why are the officers being called heroes? Was the bystander non-white, so they don't count?
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Same old, same old
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A *Small* Correction
Even if you consider the proposed changes to be overboard and overbroad (I certainly do), it's nothing more than a very bad coincidence.
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Motto of politics: 'Never let a good tragedy go to waste'
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Quite handy that attack that was supposed to happen, did happen just when people were going to reject that bill.
Harper already sold out canadian rights to the Chinese, is it too much of a stretch to believe he had a hand in this attack? the timing benefits him way too much to just be ironic.
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And the distinction between the two makes all the difference in the world, right? To my mind they don't, but that's only because I'm aware such distinctions rely almost entirely on perception. One mans revolutionary (aka freedom fighter) is another mans terrorist, or so the saying goes.
As a Canadian, I find such violence reprehensible. However, I find the politicians actions in lieu of these events even more so. If much of what the police/surveillance state supporters/apologists want were to come about, I feel it would only prove true what many of those scary "terrorists" have been saying about us all along.
Hopefully we can continue to protect our liberty and freedom from not only those without, but those within as well... all without having to leave the comfort of our living room couches of course. And if you think this recent violence in Parliament was bad, just wait until you see what it takes to regain your lost liberty. Same things it took to get it the first time around. Just read your own history, folks.
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Saying that terrorism might be justified! Go to jail! Go directly to jail! Do not pass Go! Do not collect civil liberties, because there aren't any anymore!
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While certainly scary and heinous, it is not necessarily an act of terrorism.
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IRA
Wasn't the IRA Catholic? Add Catholics to the list too!
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And most Italian Mafia mobsters.
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http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/we-need-less-security-not-more/
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fire and brimstone and witches and wmd
Rulers and swindlers throughout history have known that the most effective way to increase their power and make people more trusting and obedient is to keep them in a state of perpetual fear of something. Whether it's fear of unseen supernatural forces, witches, communists, or terrorists potentially hiding behind every bush, fear has always been and will always be used as a primary tool of conquerors, demagogues, and hucksters alike.
Because nothing works better than fear.
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Make no mistakes, this current path you're traveling WILL end in bloody revolution if direction is not reversed. It's easy to take power. The hard choice is giving that power away, and it only become harder each time you taste more and more of it.
This is not a threat. This is reality; this is the future should you continue down this path.
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Stephen Harper is a coward
""The objective of these attacks was to instill fear and panic in our country. Canadians will not be intimidated. We will be vigilant, but we will not run scared. We will be prudent but we will not panic."
And then, like the frightened cringing coward that he is, he proceeds to do exactly that less than 24 hours later:
"Harper pledged to speed up a plan already under way to bolster Canadian laws and police powers in the areas of 'surveillance, detention and arrest.'"
So Zehaf-Bibeau won, in the end. Not because he managed to take a life before losing his own, but because he managed to provoke the reaction he was trying for: fear, desperation, and cowardice.
I realize that here in the US we're full up of politicians who are just like this, but I hoped for better from Canada. How dishonorable to the memory of Nathan Cirillo! His body wasn't even cold before Harper began cynically exploiting the attack and pandering to the other cowering weaklings.
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The Americans were finally able to put a call through to him. Also note, everything was already happening anyway, this is just an excuse to rush it through and avoid opposition.
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Nutjob attacks theater - gov reaction: Meh
Nutjob attacks gov - gov reaction: OMG!!! Terrorists!!! Nuke from orbit
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MORE JAILS ARE NEEDED
Resentment Radio spews hate 24/7 supporting him. Listen to those poor pathetic losers whining about their sad little fates.
We get Fox News up here too, and those who can't think love having someone misthink for them.
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That would explain a lot.
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So, how much will you pay us to burn down Washington and hold the president for ransom?
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Privatize the prisons, and watch it jump.
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Without the attack there was a very good chance it would have failed.
Now that people have been frightened out of their wits it a benefit to harper that lone nut attacked and shot a soldier as politicians that would have voted against the law will now vote to have it passed.
The Canadian newspapers might call that ironic I call it suspicious.
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Better give up all our fundamental human rights, there's terrorists after us.
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All our leaders are crooked. Their time will come.
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"...illegal to claim terrorist acts are justified..."
And all you Ferguson-supporters, the cops said "terrorism," so STFU!
Oh, and everyone else we don't like, well - TERRORISM - STFU!
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Let's put this into perspective
Second, I'd like to point out that by arguing, quibbling and fighting on this forum over this topic you are demeaning his death.
Third, I'd like to point out that our PM doesn't speak for all the Canadian people when he makes his opinions known. His time will come and the Canadian people will force him to step down.
Fourth, Canada, unlike our neighbour to the south is not slipping into 3rd World Nation Status. We are a cautious and steadfast nation. We don't start fights but when provoked we will do everything necessary to win-even to the point of burning to ash the said nation's capitol.
Lastly, on November 11th at the 11th hour wear a red poppy and in remembrance of Cpl. Nathan Cirillo pause for a minute and honour him and those who have given their lives for their country.
Je me souviens
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His memory is being abused and you are abusing it worse by demanding no "arguing" over the topic of abusive powers for abusive "leaders".
Canada is indeed "slipping into 3rd world nation status", it fell out of the top ten developed countries. Higher tech exports are destroyed by an inflated "petrodollar" based on Tar Sands speculation which now composes most of the exports of the country. Meanwhile when Harper took office, Barack Obama was refusing to give up his BlackBerry. What happened to that?
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Is it wrong that I think the government is not above trying to stop discussion here with this?
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Competent rulers would recognize this and try to defuse the situation, but these days "competent ruler" is an oxymoron.
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my question for those that wanted more powers
surveillance and spy powers wont prevent a nut like that
and id like to see the email they speak of ( which i doubt exists after all they wont show it....and is easily faked)
they know who the 90 people talk too....so when a few days to a week goes by befor ethey claim such its highly suspect.
and why should i lose my rights to fight a once in a decade nut. ANYONE could tell you seeing the video they could have placed to small kiost like places( with an armed guard or two) at both those ends and THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED
its the security they have that should be fired and the govt held accountable.
you dont need ot spy on granma or me playing video games and saying how i despise the govt that brings this civil rights abuse tome
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Sellouts
These people aren't just cowards they're also tireless defenders of the status quo who are willing to subvert the very laws they claim to be upholding for their own personal benefit.
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Well, that lasted
"We will not be intimidated. Canada will never be intimidated.”
Stephen Harper today
"Our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention and arrest".
So how is that whole 'not intimidated' going for you Steve?
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what increased violence
2 attacks in how many years like forever?
no really look at gun deaths in canada vs your precious usa were a peace haven....im not allowing that to change cause of one or two nutbars PERIOD.
@7 yes they are they have been trying ot get this spy crap added for years last time the minister called everyone that wanted privacy pedophiles and the law got taken down.
THEY need it to give the nsa all it wants to spy in canada FUCK YOU AMERICANS im tired of your lazy chatty bullshit stance YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND....YOU ARE CAUSING THIS TERROR.
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im not scared i dont see anyone else is either ...were angry what the guy did and the lack of security at the building , and that we have to lose any rights , you dont fight against them by becoming more like a dictatorship and police state. WHAT would really anger them would be to give us all more civil rights and make our nation more democratic and free.
@36 in fact he speaks for exactly 18.1% of eligible voters
nealy 40% of possible voters dont even consider voting for look at the garbage we get. you anger us enough harper we'll vote you out and this removing of my rights will not help you. Ask yourself this: how far will this go before a revolution occurs....and the only people that care about these politicians geting kille dis the tiny 10% that will vote for them.....its decreasing each year.....
politicians are the least liked in Canadian society, be truthful everyone ...do you really care if they got killed....my bet is a lot a people are saying ...with harper's policies its surprising it dont happen weekly.
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ya like i can kill you through your monitor RAWR....
the fact is they have been illegally spying on us for years now and they need the law to legalize it before a class action lawsuit hits the courts.
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and it goes further then that the following day the police in my city were pulling that same kind amove that hitlers SS did putting people all over the place.....
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Sure lets see how far we can push and group people before they actually all become radicals, Peter King is a worthless example of a human being If he has children, It's my hope they choose Islam as their religion.
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when you can only get 18.1% of the people to vote for one party and thats a majority that get you in and THAT too is suspect due to illegal robocalls
see geulph and peterborough for exampels of actual l legal cases where mps could goto jail....or persons involved in it.
there were about 9 seats that lead to conservatives that this is suspected to have occurred ....thats fraud and that would mena they didnt get the majority of seats back then they would have been a seat short
@59 no not in canada they dont elect , we banned corporations form donating as well as unions...
Dean del mastro of peterborough skirted those rules having giving money to his brother who ran a company who gave cash ( the max alowed by a person to 12 people to donate back to dean del mastro)
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google temprorary foreign worker program why you might think we are slipping into a 3rd world state....WE ARE NOT if we stop that abuse of a program
thats election fraud up to 5 years in jail
@62 you dont need to attack the press in canada ROFL its already 100% owned by mega corps, and the cbc has a very liberal party stance.....
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61% of people who could vote voted 24.2 million possible voters
harper got 5.8 million (23% of the nations possible votes )
that led to 165 seat sin house
the ndp party got 4.5 million votes and that lead to
103 seats ..seeing an issue yet?
so 77% either didnt want to vote conservative or voted for something else....that is hardly a democratic way to look at it. I will add any of them that stands up saying they do shit for our nation when they could be doing ui dunno....
solar arrays on everyone homes in 5% homes across the nation so in 20 year s100% coverage is done that puts 45 billion into peoples pockets and increases general federal revenue by 13-14 billion a year (thats nearly a 5% increase of total revenue )
if they say they are for canada tell them or ask them why they are blowing up kids in middle east and flying jets uselessly around , having 1.2 billion dollar g20 parties and defrauding elections and making stupid copyright laws and ....ya know what that guy targeted them FOR A REASON...
he didnt goto a mall , a place you or i work he went at the jerks that are not doing squat for us.
he wants them scared. they should be cause now they are going to piss off everyone , by taking my rights away cause of a nut
@65 and if ya think govt is popular ask people why they dont vote and why we dont care about our military , only these mpds do.NO really we are peace keepers we should do that ...i am 100% for that... I AM NOT WANTING MY NATION TO BE ANYTHING LIKE THE USA.
The USA people are a bunch a lazy fat greedy lawyery police state lovers....
go watch your L.A. law will ya..and look at all the tv and movies were its always a fed or cop as a hero....reality they are smashing your car windows dragging you out and tazering you ..cause you forgot to carry your wallet....
papers please ...hail hitler...and dont you dare godwin me its a perfect discussion to start on cause its exactly what your nation has become.
THE USA IS THE THREAT TO WORLD PEACE.
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Of course that's daydreaming... though that'd be the best way to insure "national security" if they'd REALLY care about it.
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Oh No! Not another nutty conspiracy theory!!!
This was a joint US/Canada false flag operation, done SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of Pearl Harboring the Canuks into allowing the American and Canadian Fascists to increase their legal power and rewrite some laws - to trade their freedoms for some promised security that will never arrive. Sound familiar?
The CIA/FBI programmed "nut-case" was fully directed in his little escapade, which is of course why they had to shoot his ass dead at the end of the skit. This is also why the news media knew the nutter waited for hours in the parking lot before acting.
Dollars to donuts the "nutter" spent the weeks before the Skit in a hospital or institution, (or was simply "missing in action" for a few weeks) while the boys did their magic on his head and trained him in the use of his new gear.
Steven Harp-player had his speech fully written and rehearsed three days before the nut-case did his thing.
Not sure if Harper hates Canadians or simply loves money so much that he cares for nothing else. It is the world's most addictive substance after all.
This is just another in a long line of the Five Eyes covert operations against the public of North America. All of those FBI Fake Terrorist Skits were simply practice for bigger and more important operations - like getting the Canuks on side in Obama's New War.
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Hammer, meet nail.
Fascists in Power. Police State advocates. Five Eyes.
"These people aren't leaders, they're cowards in leadership positions."
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paul martin the prime minister before that was paying down nation debt to 440 billion and leaving the current azzwipe 14 billion a year surplus WAS A BILDERBURGER.
ask yourself WHOM IS TRYING TO STOP GOOD GUYS LIKE HIM FROM DOING SHIT....think there for your conspiracy/
back to stupid 29th ranked math american time
we blame you
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I'm sure that just about everyone here is wondering what any of this actually means and who its supposed to be directed at.
Then again, if you can't be bothered to air your thoughts coherently enough that others might understand them, I suppose nobody should be too concerned with what they might be.
While these two points may indeed both be incorrect, the best that can be discerned from the missive is that you're a Canuk and your pissed off - at something.
If so, then take a number and get in line.
Perhaps you should consider going back on your meds again though.
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33.1 trillion in ONE ( of several tax evasion banks)
causing all kinds a division between race to cause war famine and pestilence and chaos....
it fucking reads like a alien invasion movie
they aint human beings
why should i car eif one gets his head blown off
they dont do shit for me
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"Flattened" or "Threaded"
Your forum experience could be enhanced if you so choose.
Just sayin ...
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Farewell democracy, we barely knew you
We are slowly becoming the oppressive regimes we frequently see our elected officials reprehending.
I am more afraid of what my government is becoming than I am of a terrorist.
I think I have more chance of being run over by a moving vehicle than being killed in some sort of terrorist action, however moving vehicles are still allowed to function.
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Problem is, the corporations are scared shitless. And guess who controls government. It's not the little people, they are the ones forced to defend the worldwide corporate misdeeds.
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