1000-Year-Old Village Told To Stop Using Name Because Of Trademark Claim From Hotel Chain Founded There
from the base-ingratitude dept
Techdirt has covered its fair share of idiotic legal threats over trademarks, but the following example is spectacular even for a field that has many superb examples of corporate bullying. It concerns the village of Copthorne (population 5,000), in the English county of West Sussex. It's rather well established: it's been around for a thousand years, and is mentioned in the Domesday Book, which was compiled in 1086. Recently, though, its village association was threatened with legal action for using the name 'Copthorne' on its Web site, as the Plymouth Herald newspaper reports:
A residents' association in the village of Copthorne was threatened with legal action by a multinational hotel chain founded there -- for using the name Copthorne.
As that notes, the hotel chain took its name from the village where it was founded. But there's no sign of gratitude for that in the threatening letter the residents' association received from Millennium & Copthorne International Limited (MCIL), which owns 33 hotels around the world:
Brand protection officers acting on behalf of Copthorne Hotels, which has a large hotel in Plymouth, wrote to the small local group -- saying it was infringing its trademark.It has come to our attention that you have registered, without MCIL's permission or authorization, the domain name [copthornevillage.org], which includes a protected trademark of MCIL. This unauthorized use of MCIL's intellectual property falsely suggests MCIL's association with or endorsement of your website and is likely to cause confusion in the minds of the public that the website is associated with or connected to MCIL and the products and services offered by Millennium Hotels & Resorts. As a result, substantial damage is likely to occur to the goodwill and reputation of these trademarks.
After the village group sent off a "strongly-worded letter" mentioning its millennial history, that threat was rescinded. Millennium and Copthorne communications advisor Peter Krijgsman is quoted by the Plymouth Herald as saying:
We require that you immediately disable all content hosted at copthornevillage.org and allow the domain name to expire. Please confirm by return that you have done so within five (5) working days of the date of this letter."I can now confirm the 'cease and desist' letter sent to the Copthorne Village Association was sent in error in the course of an exercise carried out by Mark Monitor, a brand monitoring/protection agency.
The "sent in error in the course of an exercise" excuse sounds rather unlikely; this is surely yet another example of legal threats being fired off without even looking at the facts of the case, something that happens all-too-often in the world of trademarks. At least the company concerned admitted the error and apologized -- something that by contrast happens all-too-rarely.
"Mark Monitor will be contacting the administrator of the Copthorne Village Association website to explain this and to apologise for any inconvenience."
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That would do it alright
Yeah, I don't think so, the odds of a screw-up this glaring being 'accidental'?
...carried out by Mark Monitor, a brand monitoring/protection agency.
Oh.
Actually never mind, I can totally see a 'mistake' of this level happening given who they hired. If anything I'm surprised the hotel company didn't receive a similar C&D against their own site for violating their own trademark, given the 'accuracy' of the ones they hired.
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Whether it's sending a C&D over a positive review of a company's product...
claiming that a game mod was a tv show...
or claiming that HBO's own site was infinging on it's copyrights...
... they constantly and consistently show the the kind of accuracy you would expect from a drunken, one-armed man handed a rifle when he's never fired one in his life.
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Thompson Reuters bought up a buncha of little snake oil wagons, repackaged the "elixir", and now roll into towns offering salvation & cures for the modern ailments... and have spectacularly failed multiple times.
What is actually worse, that someone might "misuse" a trademark in some unimportant way or that you get a media blitz about how your brand targeted the wrong people, went way to far, and made you and them look like inept idiots?
Because we rarely remember the 'ambulance chasers' they use to send scare letters names, but we do always remember that time they demanded HBO.com have pages delisted & removed because they "stole" content belonging to HBO. They can't even manage to generate any good buzz about Mark Monitor to offset the stupid, how are they still being hired?
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More accurately, they show the accuracy you'd expect from a company that's incentivised to send notices to as many targets as possible but never faces any punishment for sending them to innocent parties.
The bad PR they generate doesn't seem to stop them gaining new clients, so they will not care how bad they look until someone tries to protect their victims.
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Some day they are going to send the C&D letter to the wrong target, and his response will be delivered by deputy sheriffs. ``Here, have these papers. You have been served.''
The C&D letters certain appear to be setting up a declaratory judgment action. If properly pled, the non-infringing recipient might even get his fees back.
I imagine that, when that happens, word will get out to the companies using Mark Minotaur to send these letters.
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Probably was accidental.
to quote inbrief.co.uk:
Use of own name and address
If a company uses their name and address as a trademark then this will not be seen as trademark infringement. There is a qualification, however, that the use of their name and address must be in accordance with honest practice. Accordingly the name must be one by which they are ordinarily known.
Thats before non-commercial use, and myriad of other defenses the most moronic solictor could see covers this.
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For those that didn't know, ebay has deals with major registrars that prevent you from registering *any* domain name with "ebay" in the title. You have to use sketchy random registrars, then transfer to "good" ones, and have to argue with their legal department that they stifle innovation, prevent free speech, and are online bullies... then you usually get to keep your domain.
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So eBay has a problem if you try to register for example:
BiscayneBay.org
ChesapeakeBay.com
etc?
Somehow I doubt it.
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I had to buy (now owned by someone else) ebayquotes.com through internet.bs because reseller club, tucows and a few others all prevented it, as the request of ebay.
When I bought from internet.bs, I got a nice little threat letter from ebay accusing me of damaging its brand name.
Had to consult with lawyers to see what my options were, and with their advice I told them they failed the moron in a hurry test and they left me alone... until the project died and the domain expired.
Proof? Here you go. http://pastebin.com/GpWYmL06
If you try to buy from one of the registrars listed above, you get a message stating explicitly that you are not allowed to register names with ebay in the title.
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It would seem your small 2 website list isn't as comprehensive as you thought. And your website, again just looking at the name as I don't know what the website looked like, suggests e-commerce in some way related to ebay.
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Why? That wasn't a domain that happened to contain the letters "ebay" in that order, as you originally claimed. It's a domain name that clearly refers to the name ebay. Since ebay was a name invented specifically for that website, it has no other connotation that doesn't refer to their service. Why would you not expect the people who own that to question your motives?
I visited the URL you registered, and it's just a redirect to another site that looks like it will act as an online job marketplace. In other words, the only reason that the term "ebay" was in the URL was for you to try to market your site as an "ebay" for jobs - as in, you wanted free marketing by referring to their trademark.
So, you're trying to capitalise on their brand name, and they're the bad guy because they're telling you not to? Rubbish. Stop whining because they're correctly applying trademark protections when you're trying to use it without permission.
You can't set up new domains referring to existing well-known trademarks that were invented for another business and not expect comeback. There may be reasons why you can expect to be able to use common words like Amazon and Virgin in your URL without a problem since they're existing words that have many meanings outside of the trademark. If you're going to use words/spellings invented specifically for another business such as eBay or Google, you're a fool if you don't expect some pushback from the people who own the business you're trying to use as free advertising.
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But - what possible use could you have had for the URL ebayquotes.com that wasn't specifically referring to eBay? You're yet to explain what this project was, and why you needed the term eBay in the name.
"If you try to buy from one of the registrars listed above, you get a message stating explicitly that you are not allowed to register names with ebay in the title."
I didn't get as far as paying for them obviously, but GoDaddy certainly allowed me to put several such domains in my basket.
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So, sorry, your experience trying to register "ebayquotes" doesn't quite compare to a hotel chain filing a notice against a 1,000 year-old town which the hotel took its name from.
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The problem isn't so much that rightholders use third parties, it's that the field is full of incompetent scam artists who are never punished for their actions. The system desperately needs fixing, but I have no more problem with IP enforcement through third parties than I do with firms using external legal, accounting, marketing, etc. services (as difficult as they can be sometimes) That is, as long as they're not thinly veiled conmen and extortion artists, as is the case with Mark Monitor.
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How about simply making whoever sends the errant C&D being financially liable for it? Say something like costs plus 50%, minimum of $500 ?
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Not enough. This is dangerously stupid negligence, from which society deserves to be protected. It's an insult that the village has to even bother defending itself.
"Scorched Earth" is what's needed here. Revoke their business licence, and throw the lot of them out of the legal profession. Think of the children. The hotel chain should fire and sue the idiot who hired them.
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Common sense says this is a good idea. Therefore, it'll never happen.
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IP abuse needs to be punished lest the companies will keep up with such abuses.
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I think the 1000 years thing gives them precendence over the hotel.
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The towns lawyers should demand the hotel change its name.
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Sue! Sue! Sue!
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Copthorne Virgin
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Names
Problem is, the village idiots went to work for Mark Monitor.
I'd say a village with a 1000 year old history has plenty of legal precedence to use their name..but they really should charge that hotel triple for the right to exist and operate in their midst.
There have been other examples of this kind of thing, and some have not turned out quite so well. LL Bean did it and won-but it certainly wasn't dealing with Freeport and telling them to change their name because LL Bean happens to reside there.
Some things are sacred, you know.
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In reference to a comment above, I'm pretty sure MM is responsible for the eBay enforcement letters. I think they also do Facebook.
It's my belief that there's no oversight on the warning letters. They find a site that has a mark in the content or the domain name and off goes a letter. If it's a domain, there's a fairly good chance the letter will contain a demand to surrender control of the domain to MM.
Once, I processed a letter from them where they were claiming trademark infringement for some bank (I don't remember which). I reviewed the site and found that the name of the bank was being used... in a repost of a database from the US Senate on who was paying for lobbyists. So, I responded to the letter and asked MM if they were really claiming that they held the trademark on public data released by the US government. Never got a response on that one.
Another time, I processed a letter where the complaint was from the company "Public Storage" against some random storage unit provider, because in their site content they described themselves ONE TIME as "a provider of public storage in Denver." Apparently this is trademark infringement in the eyes of MM, because they actually responded to me on this one and demanded that the site was taken down. I can only imagine the site owner didn't want to deal with it, as he just re-worded that sentence.
So yeah, MM is contributing directly to the ridiculousness of IP claims.
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Another tale to add to the list of current problems with trademark law?
Is blowing in the wind.
The answer is blowing in the wind.
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Why should they Stop Using Their Village Name
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this isn't the first time a business has applied pressure to change established custom.
It's yet another way that large companies bullynsmall companies.
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Don't post while walking.
Don't post while walking.
Don't post while walking.
Don't post while walking.
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