Authorities Can't Find Anything To Charge Alleged 'Extremist' With But Still Insist On 24-Hour Monitoring, Computer Restrictions
from the fighting-terrorism-means-never-having-to-make-sense dept
Canada's civil liberties-trampling anti-terrorism law (C-51) only recently passed, but authorities have been nothing if not proactive in combating the threat posed by radicalized citizens. Co-opting US law enforcement's belief that supportive words = 'material support,' the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) raided the home of an "extremist," arresting him and seizing a bunch of his computer equipment.
Harun Abdurahman, known as Aaron Driver to his father, apparently came under surveillance after expressing his "extreme views" during an interview with a Canadian newspaper. His father, a career member of the Canadian Armed Forces, seems somewhat dismayed by his government's actions.
"They told me he was on the watch list. He was considered a radical extremist and 'we hope he doesn't go to terrorist,'" said the man's father in an exclusive interview with CBC News in March. The CBC is not identifying the father.Driver/Abdurahman may be C-51's first test case/victim, even though his surveillance and arrest occurred before the law was passed. But if the aftermath of this arrest is any indication, Canadians who articulate "extreme" views have a lot more reasons to fear their government than their government has reason to fear them.
"Here you've got your national security force, if you will, monitoring your child," he said. "How would you react to something like that? I didn't know what to say."
After spending a week in jail, Driver has been released. He has not been charged, but federal authorities are treating him as though he just served a lengthy prison sentence for an incredibly heinous crime. There are 25 stipulations attached to his release (once again, not charged with any crime) which will severely limit Driver's ability to live anything approaching a normal life.
Here are just a few of the restrictions imposed by authorities:
- Wear an electronic monitoring device around the clock.
- Take part in "religious counselling" and forward the counsellor's name to RCMP.
- Follow an overnight curfew (from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. daily) and stay at his home in Winnipeg's Charleswood neighbourhood. The home was raided earlier this month.
- Surrender any passports he has and not apply for any passport from Canada or any other country.
- Not possess any desktop, laptop or tablet computer. Any cellphone he has must be approved by RCMP, and the phone number must be submitted to police.
- Provide passwords and access to his cellphone at the RCMP's request, with "such requests not to exceed two times per month."
- Stay away from social media websites, including Facebook, Twitter, Kik, Surespot and Telegram encrypted chat.
- Have "no contact or communication directly or indirectly with any member of ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and Al Qaida in Iraq." He must also not possess anything bearing the logos or names of any of those groups.
The government believes these are reasonable restrictions to place on a person who has not been charged with nor convicted of any criminal activity. Federal prosecutor Ian Mahon sees these stipulations -- which are far more severe than those that convicted criminals face -- as nothing more than an appropriate level of quid pro quo.
"If he is willing to enter into certain conditions, then there's no reason to keep him in custody," Mahon told CBC News on Monday.How about "if he hasn't been charged with any crimes, then there's no reason to keep him in custody?" That's sort of how criminal custody works. Apparently, plenty of exceptions will be made for someone deemed dangerous enough to justify a raid involving several officers loaded in tactical gear and the seizure of electronics, but not dangerous enough to be charged and put on trial. This is the Canadian government aggressively chilling speech it doesn't like and nothing more.
And for all the supposed danger Driver posed, the police didn't seem to exercise much care during its weeks of surveillance.
Neighbours say undercover officers have been watching the home in the city's southwestern neighbourhood of Charleswood for months.LOL. "Undercover."
If the RCMP truly believed this was a dangerous individual, it would have done better obscuring its presence. But all it was looking for was an excuse to bust someone for the nonexistent crime of supporting unpopular views. It openly surveilled a Canadian citizen, held him for a week without charge and then only agreed to release the uncharged Driver if he would agree to further round-the-clock scrutiny from authorities so concerned about his online comments, they couldn't even find anything to charge him with.
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For a very loose definition of 'willing'
I imagine the only reason he was 'willing' was they told him he either accepted the terms, or they'd keep him locked up for a couple of years while they 'investigated' him to find something to charge him with.
An armed raid on your house, followed by stewing in a cell for a week, with the promise of a lot more time behind bars unless you basically plead guilty to the accusations leveled at you so those involved can brag about the 'would be terrorist' they caught? Yeah, not exactly a situation conductive to non-coerced 'agreements'.
"Here you've got your national security force, if you will, monitoring your child," he said. "How would you react to something like that? I didn't know what to say."
Just a suggestion but, "I hereby resign" and/or "I did not sign up to serve in the military of a country that acts in this fashion towards it's own citizens" would seem to be appropriate responses.
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Time for those Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Marine Recons to grab their weapons, fill up on ammunition, and start raiding the Executive branch terrorist members of the NSA, CIA, FBI, HSA and the White House, then after they've all been arrested and shipped off to Gitmo, slip over to the Judicial branch and arrest the FISA judges and ship them out as well, and finally, every member of the senate and house of congress can go as well.
Then we'll hold a continental congress and refill the posts with people that will actually reflect the needs and requirements to protect our rights and freedoms, which doesn't require stomping all over the constitution and bill of rights.
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Re: For a very loose definition of 'willing'
Except if Canada's military is anything like any other military, you can't simply resign. When you join the military, you're stuck for a set time when you sign up (usually something like 5 or 6 years). If you don't do your duty for the FULL period, you do the rest of said period in a military prison before being dishonorably discharged. The dad is well and truly stuck.
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Nope, I'm sure he'll still be proud as can be of his service after this little event.
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How do you define a point of view as "extreme"? Let's look back in time. Were the views of ones that considered the monarchy a bad system extreme? Were the ones that spoke against racism extreme in their views in the early XX century? Were the views of the ones that spoke against slavery in 1700 or something extreme?
Can't our fucking stupid governments learn from history a little bit?
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They have. They don't want examples like the ones you mentioned to be repeated.
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I don't understand
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Any time government types hear words like 'radicalized', 'terrorist', 'jihadist', or similar, they immediately go brain-dead (or should that be 'more brain-dead than they already are'?).
As part of this reaction, they will ignore things like civil liberties, common sense, laws, history, or any of perhaps half a hundred things which would serve to underline the ignorance of what they're doing or proposing to do.
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As for how operant condition applies to politics (you're absolutely right that it's a big part of our political problems), the best explanation I've seen is this RSA Animate about lying.
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Quick arrest him/her but never bother to charge him/her of anything so he/she can't prove himself/herself innocent of the charges!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_bond
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Proced ure_and_Practice/Pre-Trial_Matters/Peace_Bonds
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I think I want Gitmo to be a verb
Verb
To carry off or lead away (a person) extrajudicially and in secret or by force, esp. by a state agency or institution, esp. to be tortured or detained cruelly.
We thought Abel was abducted by aliens. Turns out he was Gitmo'd by the local sheriff.
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That *is* prison
He also can't talk to anyone at all. Due to what is popularly known as "six degrees of separation", everyone is indirectly connected to the evil organizations listed.
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Religious counselling??
So they are now treating religion as mental illness. At least they're being upfront about it.
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Yeah, I agree.
Does that counseling have be from a member of an "approved" religion?
If so, that's not just a slippery slope, it's a Teflon mountainside covered with baby oil.
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Maybe the Canadian government could set up a system of communal retreats to provide services to larger groups of people all at once. They could even make it fun, like going away to summer camp.
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I feel like we've been down this road before.....
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It is the nature of youth to explore the more extreme areas of politics and social systems. It is not a lack of education, but rather part of exploring how society functions. Almost all become less extreme as they realize the implications of the extremes, and they take on more responsibilities in life.
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As long as we're being fair, a lot of people develop weird beliefs when they are properly educated. But that's beside the point.
The point is, what is a "weird belief?" To my eyes, all religious beliefs are very weird -- and everyone should be able to have any weird belief that they wish.
It's not the government's place to declare that some beliefs are unacceptable and need to be expunged through therapy. Haven't western nations spent decades demonizing the USSR for doing exactly that?
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Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”
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Likely, they're only treating extremist (Jihadist) expressions as potentially dangerous. The rest of those nutbars are considered tamed.
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Is "religious counseling" counseling to remove religion, or counseling by a religious figure? A strange requirement either way.
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Its derived from the many Canadian Church Child molestation cases, in which raped children are mentally imprisoned via death threats by church members - no pun intended there - to prevent the children from reporting their molesters.
As it was mainly done to Native Indian children, it was always pretty much approved of and universally covered up by all levels of government and law enforcement, as a rule.
It is certainly a more legal form of torture than water boarding, since its usually carried out by incarcerated criminals, and its a torture that deals an extremely long lasting mental repercussion, that will likely make any border-line or wannabe Canajun terrorist think twice about typing the word "bomb" anywhere in the True North Strong and Free.
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This word you keep using, "asylum", I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Very funny. You're not taking this at all seriously. Even with all the Big Brother Canada might raise up against anyone, that would be a drop in the bucket compared to what the US could marshal against those like him.
Canada is still very much largely empty. Look at Labrador. There's plenty of places in this country you could go and never see another human being, assuming you've fuel to last the winter and Deet to last the bug season.
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Wow. Sounds like you've actually been to Canader!
You didn't even mention the words Eskimo or Skis!
You sure you're a Real American??
I read somewhere, years back, that an entire regiment of Canajun Soldiers had to be rescued from the Labrador or Manitoba woods during a military exercise because of Black Flies.
Now that's grim.
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They're called Inuit these days, and lots of countries the world over think skiing is fun. Been there, done that, never again.
North American, yes. US citizen, no. You think "American" only applies to residents of the USA ("United States ***OF*** America")? Millions of Canadians, Central Americans, and South Americans disagree. However, we've learned to accept the arrogant delusions of you "Americans."
Proves my point. It's hell to go outside if it's not -40. Somebody screwed up scheduling maneuvers during bug season. Someone quantified it as 600 bites per minute in downtown Winterpeg.
North in the Territories, I hear the mosquitos are six feet (ca. two metres) long and 200 lb. (200 * 0.4535923 == 90 kg.).
That may just be the Inuit trying to dissuade us from going there.
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I'm not sure how much is arrogance and how much is convenience. What other word would one use to describe someone from the US?
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Someone from the US
This coming from a Californian. Speaking of which, an easy workaroundnis to specify which state.
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That doesn't have the same meaning.
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A friend, long ago, sent me a polaroid from the NW Territories where he was working, of two mosquitoes flying - apparently in circles - whilst tied together with thin string, and them beasts looked to be about three to four inches long.
Of course, they mighta been males. :)
As for national pride, the older I get, the less I can understand how anyone, in any country, can actually be nationalistic and patriotic unless they literally avoid reality altogether. What amazes me even more is the incredible number of such people on earth today.
I assume its something in the water, or due to car exhaust fumes. Maybe sunspots....
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Yeah, I think Canada has just earned any act of terrorism Driver instigates.
Of course, I'm opinionated. I think the United States extrajudicial detainment, rendition and torture program retroactively justifies the attacks on 9/11 by demonstrating the true tainted colors of the US.
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this IS how a government needs to go about it
RCMP, you DO know YOU YOUR SELVES are CREATING these" so called" Terrorist !
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The RCMP are not to blame here. They are merely the enforcers. They follow orders from the court and politicians.
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Extremely angry...
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If he isnt a terrorist yet....
What a dumb way to drive someone into the enemies hands.
RCMP, you must be as stupid as our DOJ.
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Use their playbook. . .
After all, they like to portray opposition to government surveillance as a threat, that not only vindicates that surveillance but also as a justification for expanding it.
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