CISA Moves Forward: These 83 Senators Just Voted To Expand Surveillance
from the ridiculous dept
Well, it's not a huge surprise that it moved forward, but the faux "cybersecurity" bill, which is actually a surveillance bill in disguise, CISA, has moved forward in the Senate via an overwhelming 83 to 14 vote. As we've discussed at length, while CISA is positioned as just a "voluntary" cybersecurity information sharing bill, it's really none of those things. It's not voluntary and it's not really about cybersecurity. Instead, it's a surveillance bill, that effectively gives the NSA greater access to information from companies in order to do deeper snooping through its upstream collection points. Even the attempts to supposedly "clarify" the language to protect data from being used for surveillance shows that the language is deliberately written to look like it does one thing, while really opening up the ability of the NSA and FBI to get much more information.This is bad news, which is why nearly all of the tech/internet industry have come out against the bill. Apple, Twitter, Facebook, Google and more have spoken out against the bill in recent days, recognizing that at a time when they're still trying to win back the trust of their users following the Snowden revelations, the last thing they need is for the US government to pass a new sneaky surveillance bill. But, apparently, 83 Senators chose not to listen. Here are the 83 Senators who just voted to increase surveillance and decrease trust in our internet companies, thereby harming the American economy and innovation:
- Alexander (R-TN)
- Ayotte (R-NH)
- Barrasso (R-WY)
- Bennet (D-CO)
- Blumenthal (D-CT)
- Blunt (R-MO)
- Boozman (R-AR)
- Boxer (D-CA)
- Burr (R-NC)
- Cantwell (D-WA)
- Capito (R-WV)
- Cardin (D-MD)
- Carper (D-DE)
- Casey (D-PA)
- Cassidy (R-LA)
- Coats (R-IN)
- Cochran (R-MS)
- Collins (R-ME)
- Corker (R-TN)
- Cornyn (R-TX)
- Cotton (R-AR)
- Crapo (R-ID)
- Cruz (R-TX)
- Daines (R-MT)
- Donnelly (D-IN)
- Durbin (D-IL)
- Enzi (R-WY)
- Ernst (R-IA)
- Feinstein (D-CA)
- Fischer (R-NE)
- Flake (R-AZ)
- Gardner (R-CO)
- Gillibrand (D-NY)
- Grassley (R-IA)
- Hatch (R-UT)
- Heinrich (D-NM)
- Heitkamp (D-ND)
- Heller (R-NV)
- Hirono (D-HI)
- Hoeven (R-ND)
- Inhofe (R-OK)
- Isakson (R-GA)
- Johnson (R-WI)
- Kaine (D-VA)
- King (I-ME)
- Kirk (R-IL)
- Klobuchar (D-MN)
- Lankford (R-OK)
- Lee (R-UT)
- Manchin (D-WV)
- McCain (R-AZ)
- McCaskill (D-MO)
- McConnell (R-KY)
- Mikulski (D-MD)
- Moran (R-KS)
- Murkowski (R-AK)
- Murphy (D-CT)
- Murray (D-WA)
- Nelson (D-FL)
- Perdue (R-GA)
- Peters (D-MI)
- Portman (R-OH)
- Reed (D-RI)
- Reid (D-NV)
- Risch (R-ID)
- Roberts (R-KS)
- Rounds (R-SD)
- Sasse (R-NE)
- Schatz (D-HI)
- Schumer (D-NY)
- Scott (R-SC)
- Sessions (R-AL)
- Shaheen (D-NH)
- Shelby (R-AL)
- Stabenow (D-MI)
- Sullivan (R-AK)
- Tester (D-MT)
- Thune (R-SD)
- Tillis (R-NC)
- Toomey (R-PA)
- Warner (D-VA)
- Whitehouse (D-RI)
- Wicker (R-MS)
The 14 principled votes against this bill are the following list, who should be thanked for taking a stand against expanded mass surveillance:
- Baldwin (D-WI)
- Booker (D-NJ)
- Brown (D-OH)
- Coons (D-DE)
- Franken (D-MN)
- Leahy (D-VT)
- Markey (D-MA)
- Menendez (D-NJ)
- Merkley (D-OR)
- Paul (R-KY)
- Sanders (I-VT)
- Udall (D-NM)
- Warren (D-MA)
- Wyden (D-OR)
And now we have to worry about what will happen in conference when Congress tries to resolve differences between the House and Senate versions, and then see if the President signs the bill as well. Unfortunately, the Senate just did a really bad thing.
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If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. ~ James Madison
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Quick tell me which elected official is currently attempting to stop this?
Now tell me which elected official most people in the country hate?
That's right, those that support the Constitution the most are hated the most because they speak truth which people hate and treat as though it were hate speak to be marginalized.
Face it, while that quote is like ZEN realism... it should actually be written thus...
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be because 'The People' have lost vigilance and welcome it!
Unfortunately there are far more paths that lead to failure than the elusive one that leads to success. The desire for state welfare, protection from the state, and state led social justice all lead to tyranny. History has proven that the only direction a state will head is towards tyranny. The moment you trust your government... you lose!
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There are countless reforms we know would help. The only problem is that they'd take power from those who like having it, and who are responsible for changing it.
So we're stuck here.
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Yes. Tyranny cannot persist without the cooperation of the citizenry. This is why the precise form of tyranny is always tailored to the people who are suffering under it.
Also, another old saw holds true: find the amount of oppression a population is willing to tolerate and you have found the amount of oppression that will be imposed.
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Liquor is quicker
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But yeah, a lot of self righteous ass-hats using religion/patriotism & co. as an excuse/cover for predatory practices.
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I wonder to myself if its not the actions themselves, such as, "fighting a foreign enemy", that brings about, the oppression and tyranny
Supposedly starts with good intentions but ends up being worse then the cure
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According to Biblical Scholars...
If we were to take this as a cautionary fable, this is the smoldering before the flash.
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And they wonder why nobody takes Techdirt or internet comment sections seriously.
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Wow. [citation so totally needed]
Is there an actual incident in which someone has been jailed for refusing services?
Now that I think about it, has someone ever been jailed for refusing services to a black person? I hear that we once had a civil-rights movement and that's supposed to be illegal now too.
But it's not a jail-able offense, I believe. IANAL.
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Every one of those multi-national corporations has for years been ILLEGALLY SPYING on persons without any government urging.
You're just, as usual, trying to divert blame from corporations to their paid minions. The corporations are overjoyed at this.
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Re: Every one of those multi-national corporations has for years been ILLEGALLY SPYING on persons without any government urging.
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I was going to dismiss your bogus case of traveling without actually harming anyone. a VICTIM-LESS crime.
Had you smacked your vehicle into someone, this would be a different story.
Hopefully you can see now, that this government spying, I can't dismiss it the same way, because PEOPLE WERE HARMED.
If you call me for jury duty, this is my warning on the damned label.
I can't give you your constitutional rights, I do not have them MYSELF, to GIVE to you. But you know I might be able to SAVE your life instead.
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Oh man, the problem here with what you say are many,
First off the corporation doesn't swear an oath.
There's no accountability. I can have someone holding office hung for treason-- Maybe Hillary will HANG FOR TREASON? She swore an oath.
The nature of a FIOS SPLITTER - There's no END when directed to stop.
What happens when people like Leland Yee hold office?
Oh that's right we're still screwing with this guys court case.. Hint this was an OATH BREAKING TERRORIST HOLDING OFFICE!!!
The other problem you got here is you still have questions--I don't have questions--I know these corporations are spying--I BLOCK their connections. There's a big difference between you and I right there.
My windows boxes all have the UPDATES turned off.
All of microsofts domains are BLACKLISTED
That's how SCREWED UP this is now.
You can prefer corporate spying, but you have given up holding these oath breakers accountable for treason, or any posibility of putting this back into the box.
YES THEY HARMED AMERICAN PEOPLE!
If you want a New Fascist America--way beyond any NAZI dreams, keep going this way.
IT's time for your train of thought to wake up from your slumber. Quit walking around guessing about things. KNOW what you talk about or don't talk. (not saying don't talk-- everyone knew what I meant here)
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There is little real difference between the two. Governments make full use of the results of corporate spying.
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Express your personal displeasure.....
I've contacted mine to express my extreme displeasure, bordering on revulsion, at my senator's support for this 4th amendment trampling, corporate privacy destroying, broad government surveillance bill disguised as cyber security legislation.
For those few lucky folks whose senators actually voted against this, you should probably call yours too and give them an; "Atta boy".
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Yah, as did I. For all the good it will do. I hope my senators got something good in trade for it...
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Typical
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I've expressed my displeasure to deaf ears several times.
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...and aren't about to stop the under-data-mining of the technology economy.
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MN
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Relief
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That's both scary and hilarious (but mostly just fucking ignorant on all sides).
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Constitutional Terrorism
Do yourself a favor and do the same.
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I will say this big thanks to New Jersey's Menendez and Booker and all the others that voted against this garbage.
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It's going to take a shitstorm to stop this
This issue needs to be front-and-center on the home page of every company/organization/etc. that opposes it. TODAY.
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Our New Insect Overlords
All the protesting in the world isn't going to stop bills they just keep running through until they pass.
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This is why I'm glad for the recent Safe Harbor ruling, and I hope the US gets what it deserves in this regard. More countries should be shunning US companies from now on. And this should happen until the US government gets a F-KING CLUE!
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On a positive note, those 14 senators who did stand up against CISA have my gratitude and utmost respect in contrast to those traitorous 83 senators. Thank you for voting against such a dangerous bill despite the overwhelming odds against you. It did not go unnoticed.
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Gotcha.
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RRRIIIPPP!!! That's the sound of the Internet being
There's no way that this CISA is compatible with non-U.S. privacy requirements.
I guess (Cloud intersect U.S.) = null set.
U.S. Clouds are good only for storing heavily encrypted data ***whose keys are stored outside the U.S.***.
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Please provide a link to their press releases.
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Clair McCaskill
That tells me all I need to know.
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I don't know which it will be but I fear for the latter.
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Voter apathy is at fault?
I think voter apathy is because of disenfranchisement.
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Representation Doesn't Work
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Or add an admendment that all data recieved from congress is public.
Shouldn't we be writing to Obama so he can veto it?
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Oregon is against it
for all the good it will do
I wish I lived in DC I would start pulling all of the meta data I could around the area then post it online showing how easy it would be to tell who each Politician is from said data
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That's the beauty of the internet.
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There isn't one single solitary publicly presented opposition to CISA from Google at all. Being a member of CIAA is NOT the same thing, and you know it.
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People are so terrified of imaginary terrorists and the threats they pose, that they are ignoring the very real downsides.
More people would turn out screaming if some talking head suggested this bill would bring Sharia law to the country, but the idea of the government trolling even deeper into their lives doesn't get a blip.
When will the people finally notice that the government has been lying to them for a very long time, that all of these things to "protect us" are done in 3rd world dictatorships we talk about as being inhuman, that we've slid so far down the slope that there is no out anymore. We are no longer free, we are no longer brave, the amber waves of grain are owned by corporations who need us to give them more handouts, and we spent more time focused on stupid things than the serious sellout of our liberties we claim to care about.
Rather than voting to support platforms founded on fear of others getting more, perhaps we should vote on real issues. If we started trying to cause 83 vacancies and fill them with people who care more about those who voted them in rather than narratives that are harmful to citizens we might have a chance.
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The government we deserve?
We have this government because our government failed to be self-checking, so it failed. Next time we have to try again, hopefully keeping in mind the mistakes we made this iteration.
The US Republic was based on the philosophy of those that came prior to it. It's not that Americans especially deserved rights. Our society is made of the same apes that all other societies are made. We thought that giving everyone rights would solve certain problems. And then other problems came up.
Next time, we'll hopefully do better. And the people of that society won't deserve it more than we do. They'll be the same apes that we are, and the same apes that were ruled by tyrants and wiped out by plagues in the past.
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When people are told over and over again (mostly by the Right) that government is, in and of itself, bad, they're unlikely to take much of an interest in what it does, much less hold their representatives to account.
The thing is, they have not only chosen to listen to this cant, they actively and aggressively lash out at anyone who challenges this. So I'm actually more with TAC than with you on this one because, biology or not, we have free will and we can choose. It's just that many of us have made the choice to play the partisan nitwit game instead of getting more involved in the democratic process. That's why TAC thinks they deserve what they get — and why I find it hard to argue with him on this point.
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Bingo.
This is why there has been such a large coordinated effort to get people to axiomatically think "government == evil". It is an intentional campaign to make it even easier to completely corrupt and eventually take over the government.
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Democracy for instance counts on people knowing and voting their own best interests. We've discovered many, many reasons why they might do neither.
And I don't buy into free will as much as you do. Our voting ranks behave predictably and respond well to certain kinds of campaigning that incite them to vote for other than what is good for them, and to ignore issues that are terribly relevant to their own well being.
You can't blame it on the people. They're just being people.
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What the shit...
I run websites, with kids on them. I'll be damned if anyone's getting my databases so they can "spy" on them or anyone who's on my sites. I'd rather shut down the sites first to protect my members.
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I would love to see the stats...
How about every time they vote on something major, they take a test where they have to describe what they are actually voting for in their own words, and then all of it is released to the public before the vote so people can see how much their elected officials actually know about the subject and maybe get to know something about it themselves.
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Surveillance Bill
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To be fair, the GOP's been expanding government since Nixon
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Proud of Massachusetts.
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Bernie Sanders voted NO!!!!
Pay attention he is the only authentic, ethical, honest, unbought candidate for the PEOPLE of the U.S. He gets no millionaire backers and has no PAC or SuperPac and won't. You'll never find a better president.
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It passed the senate 74-21 not 83-14
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