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1. 

   Mason Wheeler (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 10:48am

   
   

   "Dahir Adan's iPhone is locked and we are in the process of assessing our legal and technical options to gain access to this device and the data it may contain," Thornton said.

   
   Because that evidence is so sorely needed in order to secure a conviction...

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   David, 7 Oct 2016 @ 10:51am

   
   

   But because of the DCMA...

   It's illegal for US companies (besides Apple) to create tools to break into iPhones. So any other methods will be required to deal with non-US companies, incidivuals, and governments that have broken the iPhone.

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   Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 10:58am

   
   

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   "Because that evidence [in Dahir Adan's iPhone] is so sorely needed in order to secure a conviction..."
   
   But Dahir Adan is dead.
   
   What difference at this point does it make?
   
   Oh wait, that's what Hillary said about her dead ambassador.

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   Ehud Gavron (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:01am

   
   

   JurisMyDiction

   How exactly is it that the US Federal Bureau of Investigation has jurisdiction where a guy attacked people with a knife and was killed by police?
   
   Why is it that NOBODY CAN CHALLENGE their lack of jurisdiction, but if the situation was reversed, the first thing the government files is a challenge saying nobody has standing to sue them?
   
   E

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   Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:06am

   
   

   Re: Re:

   What difference at this point does it make?
   
   None.
   
   Just like before.
   
   Think you missed the sarcasm while you were rabidly trying to tie this somehow to Hillary Clinton.

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   Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:11am

   
   

   Re: JurisMyDiction

   They CAN challenge it! Anything can be challenged. Whether it is successful or not usually depends on the politics of the judge. And since they are all one big happy "fuck over citizens at any cost" family, why would a judge WANT to intervene?

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   Anon, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:34am

   
   

   The next step...

   Apple needs to make a schizophrenic phone. Type in one code, you get one profile. Type in another, you get another profile. Neither profile can prove the other exists. (It's up to the user to limit the amount of memory used to avoid overwriting). If necessary, basic metadata that can be verified is visible on both phone profiles (i.e. call history, non-iCloud texts).
   
   Then what does the FBI do?

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   mcherm (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:36am

   
   

   The FBI isn't this stupid

   I think Mike Masnick is reading too much into the FBI's statement. Last time they tried this they made masterful use of public opinion: picking a terrorism case, one in which large numbers of Americans had been killed and there was a colorable (if not quite plausible) argument that the phone might lead to other terrorists.
   
   In this case they would be investigating police misconduct (a case guaranteed to put the public more on edge than, say, a terrorism case). The only people who would feel "threatened" by this case are those minorities who worry about getting shot by the police -- not the most supportive group. And there is no colorable argument that the victim's cell phone might lead to knowledge that would protect lives; at best it might help to exonerate the murderer.
   
   Furthermore, the previous case is still relatively fresh in the minds of citizens and legislators, including the resolution of that case (turned out the FBI was making a mountain out of a molehill, could resolve it without Apple's help, and that the phone didn't reveal any helpful information after all).
   
   I don't believe the FBI is foolish enough to press this case in court.

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   Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:41am

   
   

   Re: Re:

   Oh wait, that's what Hillary said about her dead ambassador.
   
   Where is the "sad but true" button?

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:46am

    
    

    Re: The next step...

    "Then what does the FBI do?"
    
    Ask for any and all. Doesn't make any difference that there may be more than one.

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    DannyB (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:49am

    
    

    Use better terminology

    The FBI doesn't want to force Apple to unlock THIS phone.
    
    In the previous FBI vs Everyone's Security battle, the FIB proved that it was able to get an individual phone unlocked. Even after it claimed it had exhausted all possible measures.
    
    So why should they be believed this time.
    
    
    PLEASE DON'T say the FBI wants to force Apple to unlock THIS phone.
    
    The FBI wants to force Apple to build a tool, that can unlock ALL phones, without supervision. Even if it means Apple needs to re-design their phone's security mechanisms. That is what this battle is about. And that's the way it needs to be stated.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 11:51am

    
    

    The FBI is a joke, legal mafia.

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    I.T. Guy, 7 Oct 2016 @ 12:27pm

    
    

    The article I read said they went through 860 gig of data. Sure... that additional 16 is going to make a difference. /s

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    I.T. Guy, 7 Oct 2016 @ 12:52pm

    
    

    Re: JurisMyDiction

    Because... Terrorism.

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    zerosaves (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:02pm

    
    

    Re: The FBI isn't this stupid

    What? I think you misread this article. The guy shot by police was not the victim, he is the knife wielding attacker who stabbed 10 people, and was luckily stopped by an off-duty police officer who happened to be in the area. Could have been stopped by anyone with a gun, had nothing to do with it being an officer.

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    zerosaves (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:04pm

    
    

    Re: The FBI isn't this stupid

    *addition- The phone belongs to the attacker, not a victim he stabbed.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:08pm

    
    

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    Don't overstate the amount of storage. An iPhone with 16Gb of memory only has about 11.7Gb of user space after the OS is installed. Throw a buch of apps, a sizable snapchat cache and some music (hopefully legal) on the phone and the available space gets chewed up quickly.

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    fred, 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:16pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re:

    Metallica has possession of it...

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    John Mayor, 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:38pm

    
    

    DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON'T

    So... on the one hand, we have inefficient and ineffective commercial ICT that Hillary Clinton used that the FBI said was not secure to use (indeed, posed a threat to National Security!)!... and, on the other hand, we have a commercial ICT device, that-- by virtue of it's efficiency and effectiveness!-- is TOO SECURE to use (and thereby, poses a threat to National Security!)!
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    Please!...

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    Mason Wheeler (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:54pm

    
    

    Re: Re: The FBI isn't this stupid

    Exactly.
    
    It's an easy mistake to make around here sometimes, but double-check the author next time. Tim Cushing did not write this one.

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    Almost Anonymous (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 1:54pm

    
    

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    Yeah, my first thought as well. The FBI must be bored as hell if this is what they want to waste time and money on. What do they really think they are going to find on a dead knife-wielder's phone?

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 2:46pm

    
    

    The FBI is a known bad actor AND a rogue agency.

    The FBI have proven to be bad actors before, not only pushing for just this once exceptions and then later insisting you helped us before, but also vacating cases so as to evade a precedent. We still only have their word that prior phones were cracked.
    
    (Without Apple's help opening iPhone backdoors, the TPM tech has been cracked since 2010. It's just delicate and expensive.)
    
    At this point, the only reason to willingly help the feds is following a sufficiently substantial bribe.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 4:06pm

    
    

    Re: Use better terminology

    "...the FIB [emphasis added] proved that it was able to get an individual phone unlocked."
    
    No, they claimed to have paid an exorbitant sum to get the phone unlocked. Since there was no "useful" info (again according to the *FIB* - typo or intentional pun?), no one that I heard undertook the pointless pain in the ass of filing an FOIA request for the purportedly un-useful info. FIB (can't resist) made their wild claim about paying Comey's salary and change to unlock the phone, but nothing substantive about contents.
    
    
    "The FBI wants to force Apple to build a tool, that can unlock ALL phones, without supervision."
    
    THAT, exactly that!

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    That One Guy (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 5:03pm

    
    

    Not bored, opportunistic

    That the person is dead is a perk in their eyes, it means that there's no-one to contest unlocking the phone, and they get to whine that without being able to force the owner to unlock the phone(which the court might have denied)the FBI is just completely stymied from seeing what's on the phone, despite the fact that they are absolutely sure that it contains evidence to convict the killer, find Atlantis, cure cancer and solve that last crossword puzzle line that's stumped them.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Oct 2016 @ 6:27pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I suppose those intellectual property asshats won't license it either.

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    Capt ICE Enforcer, 7 Oct 2016 @ 6:31pm

    
    

    Budget the debt

    Well, here goes another 25 million dollars of tax payer money which could be used for better things such as education, help homeless, or buy everyone a garden gnome. Shit, putting that money to research the health benefits of unicorn snot would be better.

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    Padpaw (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 7:18pm

    
    

    Re: But because of the DCMA...

    If their choices are do an illegal act and create said tools or get charged with aiding and abetting terrorism or other ridicolous trumped charges from the FBI for refusing to do what they tell them to.
    
    Would not be the first time a US based company has been forced to break the law because they have been ordered to by the courts.

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    Padpaw (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 7:22pm

    
    

    Re: Re: JurisMyDiction

    yes cannot let anything stand in the way of the state sponsored terrorism.

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    Padpaw (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 7:24pm

    
    

    Re:

    The sad part is they are a symptom of a corrupt system not the root cause

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    Padpaw (profile), 7 Oct 2016 @ 8:38pm

    
    

    Re: The FBI is a known bad actor AND a rogue agency.

    not to mention they deliberatly create terrorist attacks, where some end up becoming real attacks because of lack of oversight

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    Cappy Chromecast, 8 Oct 2016 @ 1:04am

    
    

    Re: Someone has to erase the evidence te kid was being set up

    Anyone wanna bet that the mysterious off-duty cop has some very interesting location data on HIS phone? Then-who wants to bet that it coincides-mysteriously- with that kids location data?
    
    In these cases, like Omar Mateen 'on the radar' for years, or Gavin Long, who claimed he was followed and stalked for years, etc- it is virtually guaranteed that these guys are on a short leash to LEO's who operate in the shadows, harassing and manipulating them.
    
    I bet even a good journalist would find that this kid-a security guard like Omar Mateen- likely applied for a gun permit from that off-duty cop ( who is an arms dealer), or another LEO who he knows. Then, they harassed the kid mercilessly.
    
    Minnesota is an interesting study in these quasi-official organized stalking'scenarios. Many reporters have sued because LEO's there misuse drivers databases. One reporter-Jessica Miles-had 88 different police departments doing drive-bys in front of her house.
    
    Another reporter there, Alix Kendall sued for similar reasons.
    
    In many/all of these cases, these guys are harassed for years, with one agency or another trying to get them to become informants, or to just harass them to make the timecard look full. The Intercept covered that last week.
    
    Who wants to bet this is what it is?

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    Whatever, 9 Oct 2016 @ 9:39pm

    
    

    You go get them, Comey! I'm getting hard just thinking about getting into a phone.

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 Oct 2016 @ 6:28am

    
    

    Re: Re: But because of the DCMA...

    The FBI has a long and sordid history of encouraging and supporting criminal activity when it serves their own interests.

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 Oct 2016 @ 6:31am

    
    

    Re: The FBI is a known bad actor AND a rogue agency.

    and then later insisting you helped us before
    
    That sounds a lot like the way the mob operates. Once you get in bed with them, you never get out.

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    Ninja (profile), 11 Oct 2016 @ 5:36am

    
    

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    You forgot to put your "But, but... TERRORISM!" Glasses (TM). If you wear them you'll clearly see that the guy must be part of some master terrorist group like ISIS so his phone must contain secret plans for the extermination of America and thus it must be accessed at all costs, including but not limited to the destruction of America and their ideals and rights.
    
    Ahem.

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