Once Again, Rather Than Deleting Terrorist Propaganda, YouTube Deletes Evidence Of War Crimes
from the take-a-step-back-and-rethink dept
It really was just last week that we were discussing the problems of telling platforms like YouTube to remove videos concerning "violent extremism" because it's often tough to tell the difference between videos that many people think are okay and ones that those same people think are not. But in that post, we also linked back to a story from 2013 in which -- after getting pressure from then Senator Joe Lieberman -- YouTube started removing "terrorist" videos, and in the process deleted a channel of people documenting atrocities in Syria.
It appears that history is now repeating itself, because YouTube is getting some grief because (you guessed it), it's effort to keep extremist content off its platform has resulted in deleting a channel that was documenting evidence of war crimes in Syria.
YouTube is facing criticism after a new artificial intelligence program monitoring "extremist" content began flagging and removing masses of videos and blocking channels that document war crimes in the Middle East.
Middle East Eye, the monitoring organisation Airwars and the open-source investigations site Bellingcat are among a number of sites that have had videos removed for breaching YouTube's Community Guidelines.
This comes just days after YouTube announced it was expanding its program to remove "terror content" from its platform -- including better "accuracy." Oops.
Again, there are no easy answers here. You can certainly understand why no platform wants to host actual terrorism propaganda. And platforms should have the right to host or decline to host whatever content they want. The real issue is that we have more and more people -- including politicians -- demanding that these platforms must regulate, filter and moderate the content on their platform to remove "bad" speech. But in the over 4 years I've been asking this question since that last time we wrote about the shut down of the channel documenting atrocities, no one's explained to me how these platforms can distinguish videos celebrating atrocities from those documenting atrocities. And this gets even more complicated when you realize: sometimes those are the same videos. And sometimes, letting terrorists or others post the evidence of what they're doing, people are better able to stop that activity.
There is plenty of "bad" content out there, but the kneejerk reaction that we need to censor it and take it down ignores how frequently that is likely to backfire -- as it clearly did in this case.
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Much easier to wave the magic tech wand & "solve" the problem and just deal with the net being cast to wide.
Imagine if YT made a "special" section of YouTube where these videos would be hidden from childrens eyes (and the eyes of those who behave like children). Imagine the PR win of stating they are archiving evidence of war crimes to help the world. Known groups having a place they can keep the documents that aren't going to be subject to the whims of content id or some idiot flagging it as propaganda.
Politicians & society are getting very lazy.
Just have Google do it is the common answer.
Fix copyright
fix terrorism
fix my kid seeing a penis
fix my kid being bullied
HOW DARE YOU LET MY KID SEARCH BLUE WAFFLE!!!
raise my kid for me because I can't be the bad guy to say no when I see them looking at content I don't approve of
watch what my kid does, but not to close!!!
Google is ill prepared to be the parent for the world and its sad that leaders keep demanding it happen.
It's a huge cop out to just demand tech fix the problems but not provide any guidance beyond fix it.
Imagine the shock if they ever figure out Google isn't the internet & just because you made Google do something doesn't mean its fixed across the internet.
People need to stop caring about the soundbites and look deeper.
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Yet Youtube / Google does well at taking down anti-globalist content!
http://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/20-declassified-files-prove-governmental-crime-conspiracy-p art-1.html
Also just headline: "Alex Jones Joins Diamond & Silk In Massive Lawsuit Against Google / YouTube Discrimination"
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What, eh? Okay, here's a re-post for you:
Yet Youtube / Google does well at taking down anti-globalist content!
"Our world is fast becoming a digital censorship grid, where corporate technological behemoths like Google (who own YouTube) and Facebook rig algorithms (which control search engine results and news feeds) to elevate the information they want you to see and bury the information they don't want you to see."
http://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/20-declassified-files-prove-governmental-crime-conspiracy-p art-1.html
Also just headline: "Alex Jones Joins Diamond & Silk In Massive Lawsuit Against Google / YouTube Discrimination"
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Oooh, all of FIVE comments after two and a half hours!
But are quick to censor, though I still say that's administrator approved at the least -- apparently on own initiative when recognize my comments! But can never get an answer out of Techdirt as to whether an administrator is involved, though its virtual sock-puppets claim to speak with authority that it isn't. (I think they're just deluded as usual.)
I've often noted to myself that Techdirt is the ONLY web-site I've ever seen using this infuriating tactic of "hiding" comments. -- That's because everyone but the fanboys hates it. But Techdirt is clearly not interested in drawing or keeping reasonable persons, so continues this tactic even though must cause fewer readers and commentors.
The admininstrators are not brave enough to admit they okay the "hiding", nor to delete comments, so they just pretend it's sheerly by readers. There's NO commenting guidelines, just assertions by fanboys of a "community" with unknown standards (for dissenters only, fanboys never), no numbers for how many clicks takes (and certainly not with ratio to readers who didn't click), no appeal: just uniquely arrogant in NOT explaining, implying the owner is above all questions, a little prince of teh internets.
WEIRD is the only adjective for this forum. -- Fanboys even deny it's a forum, let alone public! Supposed to be a walled-garden echo-chamber of support for teh prince.
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One person's documenter is another's terrorist.
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Now how to you distinguish between someone bragging about it and someone else reporting it?
Of course you don't actually have to "show" it to report it. That's another level of subtlety here.
Machines tend to be really bad when it comes to subtlety.
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Why can't you all understand?
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At the heart of Techdirt there is a lie
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su·prem·a·cist
/so͞oˈpreməsəst/
noun: supremacist; plural noun: supremacists
an advocate of the supremacy of a particular group, especially one determined by race or sex.
"a white supremacist" " or "a Techdirt supremacist" (very similar)
adjective
adjective: supremacist
relating to or advocating supremacy of a particular group, like Google Globalists.
Techdirt is supreme to Thailand and the Thai people, right? Read their articles. Techdirt is supreme to the constitution and black letter US law, right?. Read their articles. Techdirt is the self-proclaimed slimy "Tip of Google", supreme to American Law, the American President, American History and American Values. All bow to the Supremacy of Techdirt (not).
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I'd hate to think what your idea of being 'educated' would happen to be.
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Get over yourself, or campaign to have those judges removed.
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-- re reads title --
no, the topic is not patents
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Your fantasies about supremacy get even more hilarious if you take your statement I quoted above comoletely out of its context (such as it is).
"Substitute black peoole for patents. Just go down to the governments local black people branch, fill out a form, and get issued a black person who you can use to keep your iinnovatove idea safe fron copycats."
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Tell me how that works out for you.
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Don't be THAT lawyer.
The underlying principles are not at all complicated. It only gets "complicated" when you start trying to justify the anti-social and counter-productive nonsense.
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Why do you always refuse to prove it, then?
"Techdirt established it's own "Supremacy" based web site, expressing weak and uneducated opinions with stupid conclusions, just as white supremacists do."
What the actual fuck?
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The phrase you invented that you think has some meaning is idiotic, sure.
"They both view any opinion other than his with disdain, try to deny that."
Only the ones that are truly deserving of that. Other opinions are treated otherwise.
"I'm an entertainer"
Oh, so you admit you don't state your honest opinion, you just troll to entertain yourself? Glad you decided to come clean for once.
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As ever we await the proof behind you paranoid idiotic ramblings. It's been a very long wait, and I suspect we will be waiting a lot longer.
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Your paranoid rambling should therefore be ignored as there is no reality behind it, just the ravings of a lunatic.
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BUT
I do have careful records of exactly how and when posts are hidden. What do you think I posted so many? That was kind of the point, you see. It was done with a lot of precision (thank you very much) and the records are really, really clear. Several months of records, and pretty closely timed hiding events. Pretty easy to set up and prove, and now it's all done.
Thanks for playing.
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For most people, if they were to proclaim a belief in fairies, they would be (rightly) ridiculed. Hamilton is lucky that one of the guards in the madhouse was kind enough to permit him usage of the Internet.
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Thanks for confirming that you're an obsessed weirdo, I guess..
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Only I think he was even less coherent, and even less able to remain on topic.
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"Look, Paul (if that's your name), you're a superior schmuck, right?"
Well he's doing a superior job repeatedly asking you for the proof of something you keep calling 'provable', and you're doing a superior job of deflecting and ignoring every request. The obvious conclusion is that you're full of shit.
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A Question For Michael Masnick, the Techdirt Supremacist
Don't you think that Techdirt extols a supremacy of it's own, based on same of the same fundamentals? You're a dropout, right, along with most of the other uneducated writers and posters here. You can't work out some fundamental truths, like no system of government is perfect, each and every one has it's flaws. But rather than accepting that obvious truth, you want to abolish patent and copyright, because it's easier for you to comprehend. Because you are a Techdirt Supremacist, ready to denigrate and degrade the completely innocent (like your articles about Thai) and then promote your idiot ideas like abolishing constitutional protections for inventors.
You're a Techdirt Supremacist, right, you ideas are supreme, right, and everyone else is just dirt to you, right?
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"...idiot ideas like abolishing constitutional protections for inventors."
No such thing.
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YouTube Deletes Evidence Of War Crimes
Deleting a channel who documenting the atrocities in Syria doesn't sounds fair though! . Let world come to know what really happens ther.....
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Of course we need to thicken our collective skins first.
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You can't handle the truth.
There are still far too many things that we should feel "shame" over.
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