Do you really not get this or are you just completely bitter about someone else's success?
This isn't about entitlement, it's a creator saying "I can make something that I think you might like but it's going to cost me money to do so. If you think you might like it you can help make it happen."
That's not entitlement, that's a pretty simple business transaction. And if it doesn't garner enough support no-one loses.
It's a massive reduction of risk for the creator (encouraging creation & culture - you know, what copyright is supposed to do) by spreading that risk (in much smaller amounts) over a much wider audience.
No need for licensing, collection agencies, ridiculous copyright terms, DRM or any of that cack.
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Very interesting indeed, i suspect you're right on most of this, the challenge then, as always, is finding your buyers and understanding what they value. Then working out if you're in a position to supply it.
Much food for thought.
Actually the people who tend to step away from the table are those who accuse a lot of the regulars on here of spouting FUD (what does that actually mean any way? That's a genuine question). The modus operandi tends to be drop in, drop a few insults and call a few names, maybe bring up a situation with similar words but no actual parallels and then don't hang around to respond to any of the challenges.
Today's example is accusing people of being morally deficient because they've taken something for free that's being offered for free.
It's like having a go at someone who takes a concert flyer from someone handing out concer flyers, how is that a moral issue?
Do you ever walk past a busker and think "actually that guys not very good, i'm not going to put anything in his hat"? This is an equally valid argument. I have loads of music that I have (legally) downloaded for free, listened to a couple of times, and then decided it's not my thing. No-one is harmed by this action!
I have waaay more music that i've downloaded for free and subsequently bought the CD (i'm old school) and/or gone to live shows from the band. Because I was able to determine (at a time and place of my choosing) whether or not I really liked the band.
Words are powerful things, try using ones like "share" instead of "consume" (really, what exactly has been consumed here?) and see how you get on.
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Very good points Suzanne, whether people will feel comfortable around the second one is an interesting question (feels a bit like preying on the needy!) but your first point in particular makes me think about the pre-recording, pre-copyright era; it was all about the performance. The same songs and same tales made up the bulk of any bard or peformers routine, you made your reputation on how it was delivered.
to out_of_the_blue and the anonymous coward at 4:57, why do you do this? What personal satisfaction do you get from coming on here and slagging things off like that?
On other threads you demand to know what the new business model is (despite numerous examples being shown and the fact that there isn't 1 being emphasised) and yet here you bitch about the people who are out there talking about and trying out the new models?
What gives? I really don't understand what drives you here to make comments like that.
You're not even criticising, you're just ranting; it's barely rational behaviour.
I guess money is speech to corporations in the way that words are speech to individuals. I.e. I write a letter to my representative, the corporation writes him a cheque.
I wonder which he listens to?
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Hello! There is a shed load of music being produced without any labels involved. Not only that, it's right there at your fingertips to listen to, also without any labels involved.
By your argument, if the record labels ceased to exist tomorrow then so would recorded music.
Your assumption is invalid because the labels are no longer the only people producing music. Trying to keep a gate keeping role when the is no longer a fence is not a valid business model.
Of course that might be because it's a lot harder, and riskier, to go our there and actually try something new than it is to sit on your arse and criticise. Of course if this damn internet would just go away we could go back to the good old way of having a system that only worked. Well, worked for the 10% who recouped at any rate.
And you know what, maybe if step 2 has failed, maybe that's a success too? Because maybe it's just an experiment to see if that kind of experiment could work?
Maybe you have an alternative suggestion of how it could be done?
Maybe you could share it on step 2?
781 comments? WTF?
Seriously?
Do a day's work, get a day's pay. That's about as far as you can go with the "deserve" argument; anything more than that is entitlement.
Didn't they do something similar with a tax-reclamation project a few years ago as well? Pay-back in about 3 months and they scrapped it the following year?
Never underestimate short-termism as a killer of progress.
...expecting anything else from the EU would be naivety. I don't think there's a bigger gravy train in the world and they'll do nothing to knock this one off the rails.
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$700,000
Backers
$700,133
pledged of $400,000 goal
33 days to go
Absofrigginlutely amazing.
talent + being human + finding your customers = RtB + CwF?
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This isn't about entitlement, it's a creator saying "I can make something that I think you might like but it's going to cost me money to do so. If you think you might like it you can help make it happen."
That's not entitlement, that's a pretty simple business transaction. And if it doesn't garner enough support no-one loses.
It's a massive reduction of risk for the creator (encouraging creation & culture - you know, what copyright is supposed to do) by spreading that risk (in much smaller amounts) over a much wider audience.
No need for licensing, collection agencies, ridiculous copyright terms, DRM or any of that cack.
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Good work
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an alternative approach?
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Much food for thought.
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Today's example is accusing people of being morally deficient because they've taken something for free that's being offered for free.
It's like having a go at someone who takes a concert flyer from someone handing out concer flyers, how is that a moral issue?
Do you ever walk past a busker and think "actually that guys not very good, i'm not going to put anything in his hat"? This is an equally valid argument. I have loads of music that I have (legally) downloaded for free, listened to a couple of times, and then decided it's not my thing. No-one is harmed by this action!
I have waaay more music that i've downloaded for free and subsequently bought the CD (i'm old school) and/or gone to live shows from the band. Because I was able to determine (at a time and place of my choosing) whether or not I really liked the band.
Words are powerful things, try using ones like "share" instead of "consume" (really, what exactly has been consumed here?) and see how you get on.
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On other threads you demand to know what the new business model is (despite numerous examples being shown and the fact that there isn't 1 being emphasised) and yet here you bitch about the people who are out there talking about and trying out the new models?
What gives? I really don't understand what drives you here to make comments like that.
You're not even criticising, you're just ranting; it's barely rational behaviour.
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I wonder which he listens to?
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By your argument, if the record labels ceased to exist tomorrow then so would recorded music.
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And you know what, maybe if step 2 has failed, maybe that's a success too? Because maybe it's just an experiment to see if that kind of experiment could work?
Maybe you have an alternative suggestion of how it could be done?
Maybe you could share it on step 2?
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just wanted to say...
Seriously?
Do a day's work, get a day's pay. That's about as far as you can go with the "deserve" argument; anything more than that is entitlement.
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Tax
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