Is Anthrax Trying To Become The New Metallica? Guitarist Wants To Kick 'Pirates' Off The Internet
from the bye-bye-fans dept
You would think, given the reaction to Lars Ulrich and Metallica from when he went all crazy on people who shared files, that other famous acts would be a bit more clued in. Not so with Scott Ian, the guitarist for Anthrax. In a recent interview, he spends a big chunk complaining about "theft" and how many more records the band used to sell in the past. And he keeps building up steam until it's a full on rant, complete with falsely claiming it's "theft" (over and over and over again) and comparing it to drunk driving... including claiming that if you're caught downloading unauthorized music, you should lose your internet access completely:You lose your Internet. That's it, no more Internet for you. Seriously! Like you drive drunk, you lose the privilege of driving. You download illegally, you lose the privilege of having the Internet. The punishment fits the crime. Why these service providers don't stop the torrent sites and put a consequence on this, I have no idea. Everybody complains about the trillions of dollars being lost, but nobody does anything about it. Believe me, if I could do something about it, I would.First off, downloading a single song and losing your internet access permanently is "the punishment fits the crime"? Really? As for why service providers don't stop torrent sites, it's because (a) the law is a bit more complex than Ian seems to understand, (b) censoring the internet because some search engines might possibly be used for bad things (while they can also be used for legal things) is a dumb idea and (c) because stopping torrent sites won't do anything, since they'll just pop up elsewhere.
Ian doesn't seem to have any interest in thinking through the logical fallacies of his argument. As far as he's concerned, there is nothing to discuss:
There is no argument. I'm not even going to get into that conversation. You're stealing! It's stealing, that's what it is. It's not free for us to make these records. These records are on sale in many, many places where you can pay your money to buy the product that we are selling. Anything outside of that is stealing. There is no conversation to be had. There's no, "Well, I just wanted to check it out, and then I liked it so I bought the record." I don't give a fuck. It's stealing. Everyone can say that, "I just wanted to check it out," or "There's no way for me to get music where I live." That's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit! I've been doing this for way too long. I sold records in the '80s and '90s before there was an Internet, and no one seemed to have a problem going out and buying a shit ton of records back then. The whole record industry has collapsed because people are stealing. That's the end of the story.Except, that's wrong. Pretty much all of it. It's not stealing. It may be infringement, but that's different than theft. And anyone who's being intellectually honest in this debate can at least admit there's a pretty big difference. And, no, no one said it was free to make the records, but that's really beside the point. It's not free for me to make Techdirt either. But does that mean that I'm being "ripped off" if no one pays me directly for it? Of course not. Because I'm using a smarter business model. Ian might want to try that, rather than blaming all of his fans. The fact that he sold records in the "pre-internet" days is kinda meaningless. I sold magazines in the pre-internet days, but times change. Business models change. Get with the program.
Anyway, since Ian seems so unwilling to adapt, I thought why should we let that stop folks here from coming up with some suggestions on what he should be doing. Over at Step2, I've kicked off a discussion on how Anthrax might better deal with downloaders, while still being able to make more money. Head on over to join that discussion.
Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.
While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.
–The Techdirt Team
Reader Comments
Subscribe: RSS
View by: Time | Thread
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
No one cares about your lame metal rock that is why you do not sell the records you did.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Is a certain portion of the world supposed to like and buy your music?
All your fans have your albums. You are getting fewer and fewer new fans, just like Bing Crosby.
You only sold as many albums as you did because people bought the cassette and then the CD.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: RAPETARDS!
"I sold records in the '80s and '90s before there was an Internet..."
See? What you fucking thieves need to realize is that we all need to simply go back to the 80s and 90s...well, could we agree to the 80s? The blow and loose backstage groupies were better then.
Thanks,
Scott
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I know, I know, it's a silly argument, but it's the first thing that popped into my head.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Here is a suggestion for Anthrax, make better freakin music you bunch of GREEDTARDS!!!!!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
On a side note: Anthrax who?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
That said, Scott Ian is being a childish dick and should learn to get with the times by trying to find a new audience or be lost in obscurity.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
Who's the one committing theft now, Mr Ian?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
'i am the law' a song that is directly inspired by judge dredd
'N.F.L (efilnikufesin)' a song about john belushi
'indians' a song whose inspiration is obvious
'among the living' & 'a skeleton in the closet' both inspired by steven king stories.
..oh yeah, and the cover of among the living by the way... nice use of henry kane there....
in short scott, my point is this:
dont bitch about freeloaders when you have lifted plenty of ideas yourself. you want me to buy your stuff? make better music. anthrax hasnt released anything good since persistence of time. THAT is why i dont buy your albums any longer.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
"Anthrax tired of having fans."
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Response to: Anonymous on Nov 9th, 2011 @ 9:00am
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Response to: Anonymous on Nov 9th, 2011 @ 9:00am
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Maybe...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Maybe...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Maybe...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Maybe...
A very naive comment coming from someone who obviously hasn't listened to much metal in their life.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Maybe...
Chalk this down to another spoiled major label artist realising he forgot to plan for retirement and that the pool of royalties he wanted access to is not infinite, methinks.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Maybe...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Maybe...
Oh c'mon now. The first 4 albums had all good songs on them.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Intellectually honest? That's asking a lot. Really, a lot a lot.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
no one seemed to have a problem going out and buying a shit ton of records back then
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
anthrax still exists?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: anthrax still exists?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: anthrax still exists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship_Music_(Anthrax_album)
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Anthrax has been years behind Metallica forever.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Anthrax has been years behind Metallica forever.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Anthrax has been years behind Metallica forever.
The band anthrax tanked DECADES ago and can only be found now typically in bargain-bins at wal-mart etc.
He's hoping a little controversy can't hurt since sales can't go DOWN from zero....they can only go up.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Guess he never heard of
Also, the internet is not like a store or a house, or some singular place you can just go and "shut down." Learn what the terms "decentralized" and "distributed" mean, Scott.
Oh and welcome to Ludditeville. You and Metallica and the rest of the dinosaur entertainment industry will have a lot to rant about for your failure to understand new technologies, the internet, and how to serve the consumer in a manner that THEY want, not the way YOU want. And no, "piracy" is not the problem, as iTunes shows that you CAN compete with "piracy."
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Guess he never heard of
I guess you still haven't figured out that artists get paid when their music is played. Thanks for playing "RD IS AN IDIOT", you win the gold star.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
FTFY
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
I guess you still haven't figured out that artists get paid when their music is played. Thanks for playing "RD IS AN IDIOT", you win the gold star."
And I guess YOU didn't read "people don't pay for." THE CONSUMER DIDN'T PAY FOR IT. So that's "stealing" according to Scott, the shills, and the entire music industry.
Way to COMPLETELY miss the point and then use that to launch a personal attack and call someone an idiot.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
I get a real headache having to re-explain the basic concept to you every couple of months. Off your meds again?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
So if I download a song from the internet and I just "think" about buying the album, I've paid for it?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
I get a real headache having to re-explain the basic concept to you every couple of months. Off your meds again?"
Ok, with you so far....but the topic is "stealing" and how people dont pay MONEY for listening to music therefore they are "thieves." So, my example is still correct, according to the Big Media Greetard Manifesto.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
Does this mean I am now a pirate because I used the button on the stereo to change the station?
Does that mean stereo makers are aiding and abetting Radio Freetard Pirates?
Shouldn't we get some legislation that says it's illegal to NOT listen to commercials?
Should we start jailing the stereo manufacturers, should we seize their websites, deny them a court date, and keep their assets for an undefined amount of time?
Can we start with Sony?
GREEDTARDS - all greed, all tards 24/7!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Guess he never heard of
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Oh, you say he makes his living from music? Well too bad for him, he should have known better.
Given Mr. Ian's attitude towards censoring other people's first amendment rights, he should have no problems at all with such a rule being applied to him as well, right?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Who decides that?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Sad band...
Pretty sad for a heavy metal band.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Got to blame it on someone!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Maybe the best way for these bands to get the point across is to just stop recording music. If every recording artist in the world stopped producing content for a year in protest of piracy it might actually make people think about the consequences of their actions. Imagine a year without any new music. Then maybe the movie studios could get involved and stop releasing any content for a year. Just old music and old movies for a year.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
It will never happen because you are all GREEDTARDS!!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
That, is greed.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
I heartily endorse this idea. It would clear the decks for people who have learned to make money off of their art without relying on big labels and big studios for support. It would be a boon for the independent film industry and a lot of musicians.
I am assuming that you work for one of the big media companies. When can you get started on this project?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
The very fact that this will NOT happen hilights how unnecesarry our current copyright laws are to begin with.
So, you know...thanks for that....
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Then the real artists can thrive without all the self-entitled whiners trying to cripple their distribution channels through draconian legislation.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
The "real" artist? You mean the ones that no one has ever heard of because the general public doesn't like their work? People act like there are millions of brilliant Picassos ,Mozarts, or Orson Wells. I've seen/heard some of the independent crap out there and the reason they haven't signed with a label or filmed with a studio - they suck. Granted there are diamonds in the rough, but you have to dig really deep and waste a great deal of time to find anything decent.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
I've seen/heard some of the major label content out there, and the reason they signed with a label or filmed with a studio is because it was lowest denominator crap. Pandering to idiots, with no artistic merit. Granted, there are diamonds in the rough, but you have to dig really deep and waste a great deal of time to find anything decent.
Funnily enough, it does work both ways. Your personal taste is not a basis for a business model.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
True, but there also some great tools out there for filtering the content. The nice thing is that the tools let you filter for what you like. In the past the filtering was done by the labels, and you either accepted what they liked or went without.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
I live in Ontario, not far from The Hawk, I have to put up with his son Robin on any given Wednesday night and bands like the Down Child Blues Band.
Jeff Healey, Alannah Myles, Rick Fines, that is the kind of crap that comes out of my area.
Or Austin Carson Band (16yrs old, writes his own tunes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEMqWoYwOvk&feature=related
Or Sam Ferguson Band (they also write their own tunes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UALSKBc_Hk4
Whatever will I do without the bieb(also from Ontario), whom the labels picked up?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
If you can't actually make that happen, then please stop teasing us.
I honestly think the more telling experiment is if all the freetards out there stopped buying music and movies for a year. You know, all the people that are demonized by the industries but have been shown are their best customers? I think the industry would be in for a very rude awakeneing if every single person who has downloaded something in the last year made the collective decision to not spend another dime on entertainment... Oh well, a guy can dream, right?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Please give up. The project looks like an abject failure.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
I would say that Step2 appears to be a failure, no matter how many posts Mike makes here and tries to lead people to it.
I didn't make any other comment regarding the post, only that it seems silly to try to split it into two places.
If you want to be considered logical, please stop trying to make it appear I said something I didn't or that I wrote about something when I did not.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Step2
And you know what, maybe if step 2 has failed, maybe that's a success too? Because maybe it's just an experiment to see if that kind of experiment could work?
Maybe you have an alternative suggestion of how it could be done?
Maybe you could share it on step 2?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/ignorant.html
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Like all your postings do. Doesn't stop you either.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Color me unsurprised
The up and coming artist loves the internet, and its pervasiveness of freedom. "Please, take my music. Listen to it. If you enjoy it, please buy my album." It is a medium of free distribution, to expose their creation to as large of an audience as possible. Opportunity.
The artist at the end of their career looks at things much differently. They already have as much exposure as they're going to get. They're not doing anything new, playing old hits and rehashing old ideas. They're trying to milk as much money out of every second of music that they can get to try to maintain the extravagant lifestyle they enjoyed from the 80's when they were actually relevant. Just look at Metallica ... Megadeth ... hell, even The Nuge. They're not going anywhere, they're simply trying to protect their money machines.
It's the same everywhere, and it is the exact reason why you see so many young people holding liberal viewpoints, and so many old people holding conservative views. One is optimistic and wants the opportunity to succeed. The other is pessimistic and wants to protect the monetization of past success.
Not much of a guess which philosophy is generally better suited for the future.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Color me unsurprised
So many young people hold liberal viewpoints because they are used to being taken care of (parents) and want the government do take that role. As they get older, they realize the government can't do it as well as they can take care of themselves, so their viewpoints change to the conservative side.
As for optimistic/pessimistic, liberals are much more the pessimists, especially because they're more likely to be on welfare or some other government program and they think that's their life, period.
You're basing your political beliefs on what a few has-been entertainers are complaining about, the few that refuse to adapt.
Stop it. Just stop.
You ARE right about one thing... the fact that there is not much of a guess which philosophy is generally better suited for the future.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Color me unsurprised
Not a single fact, but all of it is stated as if it absolutely true and not just your opinion.
Stop it, just stop - you are doing a disservice to conservatives everywhere and of course you appear to be an idiot to everyone.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
I've been wishing for some time that you had a position paper, Mike, in which you specify just exactly what your notions are. But of course vagueness lets you take slants as required.
As for Step2, happened to get curious this morning and temporarily removed "insight" from my hosts file. Found not much going on there. Apparently a grand total of 27 threads, and a few vague comments. -- SO, looks to me as though how to "monetize" one's own product is a stubbornly intractable problem, and that the traditional ways are just about the only ones that work. As you note above, if one can't get indirectly supported, through the Google monster advertising, then you get nothing for all you do. And if everyone took my advice and used Noscript and a hosts file, Google itself would soon be in difficulties. -- But tacitly you rely on someone else making the product, and leveraging off of it. That's why you're so alarmed about SOPA: it removes the basic draw of exciting expensive content, leaving web-sites with only a bit of text.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for specific alternative means. I don't consider "advertising" to be workable for a band, let alone a movie, even if it is for a web-site. You mix those indiscriminately as if all were the same sort of widget. What you have at Step2 is mere /wishing/ there were some magical means. You don't have any methods of your own to suggest. How long do you think to go on with your huckster schtick without an actual product?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
Step2 may not pan out, but Mike is at least working towards alternate solutions. You have only come here to type your personal attacks on someone who its trying to find a working solution, usually without adding anything of substance to the conversation. Both you and Mike are working towards the same end: to help artists make money in the digital age.
I fail to understand why you feel like you have to fight him and try and belittle him because he suggests trying to set up Business that can shrug off the effects of piracy, or even use them to its advantage.
If you don't agree with his suggestions, make your own instead of attacking him personally. If you don't agree with his goal to help artists make more money in the digital age, why are you even here?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
You will do better when you understand that Mike wasn't working towards alternate solutions, Mikew as working towards getting himself in the middle of other people's activities. Basically, he tried to "Google", and failed. The musicians don't show up, the artists don't show up, and the "sponsors" aren't exactly helping out either.
It wasn't an attempt to look for an answer, it was an attempt to grow the empire. It failed.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
What has almost always been lacking on this site is the actual interested parties. Step2 is perhaps the clearest indication, because while the sponsors are "big", Step2 doesn't appear to be attracting much attention from actual artists (except for Mike's usual pets like Amanda Palmer).
When you look at the site, you understand that it isn't about finding solutions, it's about driving page views. It's about Mike moving into the music industry and working to be a middle man on solutions that he himself doesn't actually come up with. It's a pretty neat way to do things, I give him plenty of credit, but there is little value added, and so far it looks like most of the visitors have figured it out too.
So I don't think it is at all slanderous, it's my opinion based on what I can see, what I can read, and Mike's own actions. It is very reasonable to infer my conclusion based on what is in public.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
Offering an opinion is invasive now? What actual actions has he performed that fit the criteria of "invasive" (no, offering an opinion that differs from the "OMG piracy" excuse is not invasive)?
"When you look at the site, you understand that it isn't about finding solutions, it's about driving page views."
Probably aided well and truly by idiots like you who attack him constantly and cause repeat views of stories by people telling you what a moron you are. How does it feel, being a driver for Mike's profit? He had at least 2 page views simply by me responding to your comments.
"It's about Mike moving into the music industry and working to be a middle man on solutions that he himself doesn't actually come up with."
When has he ever claimed to have invented them? He generally points out common sense economic facts and reports on musicians who are trying out new models. When has he ever claimed otherwise?
"So I don't think it is at all slanderous, it's my opinion based on what I can see"
As are all of Mike's posts, but that doesn't stop you from attacking them.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
To "Google": Get yourself in the middle of other people's activities.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
delusions of grandeur much? Any remotely useful tidbits are drowned in the sea of your weakly sourced, often nonsensical diatribes.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: No, no, Mike. It's a clever ploy to get /more/ people to "infringe".
So, you DO support piracy?! You take the content and use it freely while denying the content producer his income by blocking the ads that pay money for views on his website.
Glad we finally cleared that up, welcome to the Freetards.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome out_of_the_blue!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
No more Anthrax for me.
Great job! Losing fans is awesome for you.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: No more Anthrax for me.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: No more Anthrax for me.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: No more Anthrax for me.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Wait a second ...
I bought two copies of 'go the f$%k to sleep' after all the discussions here about 'pirating' it. Yes, I used a computer to form a few million magnetic regions on a platter into the same pattern as someone else was exhibiting. Nothing new was created, therefore nothing ‘stolen’. Spectacular book, the recipients of the analog version were delighted.
I grabbed some Anthrax just now, and ... wow ... give my ears some Cipro please. Perhaps the real reason they don't have sales?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Perhaps Ian should look for another excuse for why his music isn't selling. May I suggest El Nino as a possible excuse? It is a more likely explanation for poor sales than piracy.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
I guess everyone saw this story and shut it down.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
New Idea...
Problem solved
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: New Idea...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: New Idea...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Anthrax is past their sell by date
The world doesn't owe musicians a living. Like folks in other fields they have to struggle, have luck and talent on their side to make a mark and earn pots of money and fame from their music.
That's a privilege for the talented and those at the top of their game, not everyone who has a claim to music can expect success, but because of piracy it seems every musician can claim to be a victim.
If they are good piracy will barely make a dent on their success.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Anthrax is past their sell by date
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Failing Bank Accout
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Failing Bank Accout
That, and the fact that all of his groupies now look like this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C-TaY61-NYo/R_Zf0yFVQLI/AAAAAAAAAlI/oZ04T1A8rTg/s400/old%252Blady%2 52Bin%252Bbikini.jpg
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
I think they get it... $50 - $125 a ticket. They get it.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Anthrax
Metallica
AC/DC
Kiss
Don Henley/The Eagles
...
I could go on but any of these old-timer has-beens that bitch and whine like Scott will never see a dime from me ever again. Metallica was my favorite band when Lars started his bitching. Never bought another album, t-shirt, poster, box set, video, concert ticket, etc from them since.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:Not AC/DC! What did they do/not do?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Because they're a bunch of has-been douchebags with attitudes like that.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
I'm just glad it isn't news similar to this article or the one about Henley. My three Faves are AC/DC, Floyd and Zeppelin. Push comes to shove, I think I would go with AC/DC as my favorite.
I do agree with them that some albums are best left whole, "The Wall" being the best example off the top of my head, but I can also see your side, and since you are the customer, you are right. No reason for them not to sell singles.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
Lets see the bieb do that. And he's a local.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
You don't get it.
We already know you don't buy.
So your opinion doesn't mean shit to us or anyone else.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Pot / Kettle
I vote for Holier than Thou as the next album title.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Sad really
The truth of the matter Ian, is, you started sucking right after Among The Living (1987)You had a breif reprieve with Attack of the killer B's, but everything after that sucked.
Did you ever think that may have something to do with it?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Secondly, I would like to see just one income statement from the music industry before the internet where they made more than 10 billion a year, much less a trillion.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Yeah, that's how popular they were back then. In fact I'm probably wrong and they didn't have any of those things in their logo (probably another, slightly more popular metal band). So all I know about them is the name.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
what is the significant difference twixt 'infringement' / 'stealing' ?
I don't care whether you care to call this 'infringement' or stealing, but in actuality, what is the significant difference? If you are a 'fan' of the artists, you will spend money on their creative works, merchandise etc. Merely downloading music without permission from the rights holder for free does not really qualify one as a "fan", or give you some righteous position in my humble opinion.
The ignorant responses to Mr. Ian's rant show the level of maturity of the users of this website, i see responses that would make bloodied Anthrax fans in the pit seem erudite in comparison.
First of all, as far as I can see, Scott Ian's basically right... either you consider supporting artists morally right or you don't. Despite some poorly made comparisons in the responses, Broadcast mediums (Radio,TV) and Films actually do pay artists, they don't steal it. Even Non-Commercial radio pays performance rights. This is done through various compulsory agreements long established with music publishers. I have known artists who certainly appreciated this revenue stream in their careers, even if for some of the lesser played acts & tracks, it can be very miniscule. Internet sites like Kazaa, Napster, and yes, YouTube & GrooveShark have all initially attempted to usurp the payment obligations due to rights holders.
I am not affiliated with the RIAA, Anthrax or any other business that benefits from this economy, but clearly can see the impact that so-called 'sharing' has on these artists and labels.
If you go to your neighbor's house without permission when he's not home, and take fruit off his apple tree, or 'borrow' his tools, or read mail from his mailbox, without express permission, is that 'infringement' or just a type of stealing?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: what is the significant difference twixt 'infringement' / 'stealing' ?
What have you stolen? and from whom?
Who is missing what?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: what is the significant difference twixt 'infringement' / 'stealing' ?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: what is the significant difference twixt 'infringement' / 'stealing' ?
Try this...
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=165 547#comment-2466647
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
BYE BYE
They stole various pentagram logos and 'satanic' images and various other bits from Metallica and other bands.
Hell, even the bands appearance on their own website is similiar to DOZENS of others that have gone before...
Hey Ian, thats strike ONE...no more internet for you!
Let's see if he's a hypocrite or not depending whether he gets rid of the Anthrax website....
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
remarks from an anthrax fan:
If people like me didn't do disgraceful things like post illegal thievery songs from YouTube on our Facebook pages, the kids today would likely never know about bands from 30 years ago, because it's not in the best interest of the "legitimate" sources to promote it over the crappy, over-compressed electronic "ooontz ooontz ooontz ooontz" garbage that the kids are into these days. Mr. Ian needs to take a chill pill, and perhaps go back and listen to the lyrics for "Caught in a Mosh." Efilnikufesin!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Fuck you! Obey the Cow God!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Three little pigs rocks! I have the Green Jello Cereal Killer CD but I found out they later changed their name to Green Jelly, because you know when the CD goes into the player you might accidentally grab a spoon or something, wtf?!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Green Jello "Little Pig, Little Pig" has gone viral!
http://viralvideochart.unrulymedia.com/youtube/Green_Jello_%26quot%3BLittle_Pig%2C_Little_ Pig%26quot%3B?id=_CYwNWHZuT0&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ ViralVideoChart+%28Viral+Video+Chart%3A+Top+10+Daily%29
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
You are right about musicians owe us absolutely nothing. Also, we owe them nothing. Work for your paycheck instead of pumping out garbage and complaining about nobody buying your shit.
Like someone said earlier, there is one person seeding the new album and NOBODY downloading it. That does not look like people are taking anything from them.
You sound like you work for them?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
They owe us nothing and we owe them nothing...your right. But what I'm saying is the means are there to acquire whatever you want and people do so...for Free. Simple concept that is simply abused.
I dont work for Anthrax. I am simply a fan of that style of music. I've been to the shows and if I thought they lacked in entertainment value I would say so. That also goes for their music. I think when people argue about these types of things its usually people who already dont like the artist, etc. It could be any musician, band, etc. and it will not change.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Specifically, this:
"Scott is not claiming that his band is the only band that are being "stolen" from but rather he is merely pointing out that after going through the music scene from the 80's through the present the albums sales have changed due to numnuts kids that download everything because they can and think its all free."
And this:
"This is not about quality of music because like he states everyone was buying music in the 80's and 90's. Since the internet wasnt around it was based on hearing singles on the radio and rotation on MTV."
I grew up in the late 80's early 90's, and I was not exposed to Anthrax through the radio (local stations didn't play them) or through MTV (I've never had cable). The way I found bands like Anthrax and Metallica and Public Enemy and NWA (etc...) was by my friends sharing and copying their music with me, as I did mine with them. We all made mixtapes for each other. We recorded what we could off the radio for free, and when we wanted something that the radio didn't play, we found someone who already had it and taped it. We didn't do this because we were trying to ripoff the artists, but rather because we were kids and didn't have any money. We certainly weren't going to spend the little money we had on something we hadn't already heard and knew was worth the precious expense. Because of this sharing we got more exposure to more bands, and although we didn't have a lot of money, we did buy (or ask the parents for) t-shirts and concert tickets.
As for the people saying that their music sucks and that's why no one is buying it, everyone has their own tastes in music and just because it isn't their taste doesn't mean it isn't mine. This argument is patently false. The real argument that I do think is compelling though is that the overall fanbase of this genre is not what it used to be, and because of that, I believe it is very reasonable to think that sales would be lower. How many of the metal heads that you used to hang with and go to shows with back in the day now wear a suit and tie and listen to what their wives tell them to or what their kids like?
I haven't heard the new Anthrax album, but I've heard it's actually good. I'll consider buying it once I've listened to it and have made an informed decision that it's worth my money. How will I listen to it? Good question... I'll download it from that one guy seeding the torrent. This is not because I'm a dirty non-paying freetard, and it is not because I don't have the money, it's because I'm tired of paying my hard earned money for crap that I can't return. If this makes me an evil person then so be it, but I think it makes me a concerned and critical consumer using the only viable option I have to make an informed decision.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
This whole thing about hearing something first and then I'll buy it is lame. Do people go to a movie and watch the first 5 mins and then decide to pay for the whole movie because they like what there seeing?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
What wage do they want?
"...wage rates are either the product of market forces (supply and demand), as is common in the United States..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage
I don't get paid every time someone admires a house I built.
Nor do I get paid every time someone uses a spreadsheet I built.
Don't these examples count as "any business?"
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
If someone wants a wage, they should go work 40+ hours a week in a regular job. The music industry has never promised that kind of financial security.
"its moronic to think that taking music for free isn't stealing..."
Well chalk up SCOTUS as being a bunch of morons.
What's moronic is still not seeing the difference between removing something from the owner's possession so they can no longer use it (stealing) and making a duplicate that leaves the original unaffected (copyright infringement).
"most music fans are die hard fans yet they refuse to pay for the record and then wonder why the artist doesn't tour in their country..."
Every single point in this line was made up by you in order to support your weak argument. That's called a strawman.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
why he's mad...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
And these fans are there to hear the music of their youth. To take a trip down memory lane. Fans of that age now have mortgages to pay, children's mouths to feed and they just don't spend their money on "a shit ton of records" anymore.
I know this because I'm one of them. If I go see a band with a 20-30 year history and all they play are new songs (like Aerosmith for example) I'll not waste my time or money on them again.
If they can't connect with today's youth and find a way to interest them into making a purchase, they're screwed. This little rant will do them much more harm than good in those regards. As for us 40 yr. olds? They'd be damn fools if they think we're just going to run out and buy every new release just "because".
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Personal notes
The ironic part was, I was one of those who one day logged on to Napster and got the "You have been banned by Metallica".
Sadly, I was a huge Metallica fan, and had all of their CDs. The reason I was banned was because I had ripped my CDs into MP3s. I did not know that Napster went through and scanned your hard drive and selected MP3 files, so I did not even know I was sharing. Eh, now I know more then I once did. Of course, after that, I stopped listening to their newer music, and never again purchased anything having to do with them.
Now Ian's story, and part of his rant, especially strikes a cord with me:
Everyone can say that, "I just wanted to check it out," or "There's no way for me to get music where I live."
In my case, this is absolutely, 100% true. See, I live in Taiwan, but am an American. As an American living here, I am not able to make online purchases because the bank does not allow foreign nationals to use their card beyond a limited scope. As for picking it up locally? Anyone who has been to Taiwan for a long duration can probably attest that the only international bands albums to be found here are the big pop sensations. I can find Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, etc. Any metal albums? Yeah right. So should I have my family in the US pony up the dough for the album because I want to listen to it?
Of course, since I am not a fan of Anthrax, well, guess I don't have to worry about it. But, this does tempt me to go illegally download all of their songs, just to tweak his nose that much more...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Scott Ian the thief
Stealing is bad, just ask Scott Ian. The Anthrax guitarist wants music pirates to be in jail or lose their internet connection forever.
The problem with stealing is nobody is immune. We all steal something at certain points in our lives. What makes us decent people is the way we deal with it. For Scott Ian, he went crying to his buddy Howard Stern to get him off the hook. Back in 1997, a drunken Scott Ian went down to the Yankees training camp in Tampa, Florida, broke in and ran around the bases. He tried to steal the on deck circle but cops were waiting and arrested him.
Instead of manning up, Ian went on the Howard Stern Show and joked around a bit. When Steinbrenner called in, Scott apologized and begged not to have charges pressed against him. It must be nice being famous and able to get away with that kind of thieving behavior without any consequences.
http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/29/23003/Stealing-Like-A-Thief-Anthrax-Style
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Charlie Benante, the sensible one
The fans are the most loyal of any form of music. That's how I came up with the title "Worship Music." Heavy metal fans have bands that they love. They buy everything. They'll travel. It gives them joy. That's how they worship music. I'm the same way. I worship certain bands that always inspire me.
Q. What's it like getting this kind of response this deep into your career?
I guess every once in a while all the planets align and something goes right. This time something went right for us. Someone looked down on us and said, "Let's give these guys a break."
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/03/2743265/metal-fans-worship-music-of-anthrax.h tml#ixzz1dI35Wg6R
So then, who should we believe? Scott who considers all his fans thieves? Or Charlie, who says the fans are loyal and buy everything?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Mainly I wanted to point out the poor logic comparing a blog to an album. Mike, just the studio costs would pay many years of hosting, this comparison really doesn't make sense at all. Yes, you spend your time to write the articles, but so do the musicians to write the music. To deliver your content, all you need is a website, and we all know how cheap that is nowadays, even if you have your own server (I do). But a good studio still costs, and not little. And please don't come with the home-recording argument, while it works for some projects, for most if you want proper sound, you still need a good studio.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]