Re: Re: Re: But musicians also don't see what is coming
The problem with your assertion is that most people aren't willing to use those tools that have become so common. I've been a musician for over 40 years and I don't usually perform for money. I perform for fun.
I sometimes get paid but I've spent 5 times or more what I've made on instruments, strings, other accessories and even gas getting to performances than I've ever been paid.
Most people that listen to music just want to listen. They have no interest in performing.
The undeniable fact that a new instrument, the computer, has come on the scene and that people are using it to make music, even bad music, doesn't change the fact that to a great extent musicians make music because it's fun. Some of them make a living at it. Most of them don't.
I keep having this discussion with people. The music business has little to do with the recording industry. The product can be the same but there are many millions of people involved in the music industry, teachers, salesmen, students, manufacturers and just players that are not involved in recording or only occasionally if they are.
Even then the involvement in recording is in recording their own performances not in the "recording industry".
It's only in the last 75 to 100 or so years that if a person is involved in making music the dream was to make recordings. Before that people were happy to play have fun and maybe make a living.
Maybe someone noticed it and I didn't notice on this thread but there was one band that totally and always was willing to have their fans share their music. You could lug any recorder into their concerts that you wanted and lug was what you did in those days.
Who?
The Grateful Dead
You can download hours and hours of their music free at http://www.archive.org/index.php and those that are still alive don't care and never did.
Free can work. It has always been something that was an option and could be built into the music business but the labels didn't like it.
But if the major record labels aren't getting paid then their content is being STOLEN. We all know that this is true because the have told us so often.
Come on people that whole Bill of Rights thing is so 18th century. It's been ignored over and over in US history and we're still here as a nation.
A steady erosion of rights in the USA is so much a necessity in our fight for profits and against terrorism, this is partly about terrorism you know and think of the children. The pedophiles are involved here somewhere, I just know it.
I've been making music for over 40 yrs. and I can say that it is universally fun to get together with talented people and make music.
It can be pulling out an old chestnut like "Life is Like A Mountain Railway" or making up something new. Either way it can be "new".
Those particular creative people will never be together at this place in their lives. Whatever they decide to record will be different than they would have played at any other time in their lives. Thus it will be new.
1,910,000 results (0.23 seconds) on rivendell. It includes schools, behavioral clinics, wineries, bicycles and theater ensembles.
Sounds like a good place for a class action suit to shut the Tolkien estate down permanently.
By the rules as they are written the money is owed to these performers. Their likeness and performances ARE getting Paramount money. Since I doubt that that money is going to stockholders, it's amazing how the big TV/movie companies never make any money on their productions, it might as well go to the actors.
I'll admit that the rules as they are right now are crazy but as long as the game is being played by those rules they might as well be applied to everyone. Unfortunately the only people that will get rich will be the lawyers but hey sharks have to eat too.
OK I played trumpet in Jr. High and high school back in the 60's and early 70's. We played stuff like that all the time. It's sort of implicit in the instrument since those types of bugle calls are all played on one fingering.
Some people have more nerve than brains.
I have a feeling that if it comes to a contest between behind the scenes lobby power that Google can whip Rosetta Stone quite easily.
Google is a service that millions of people depend upon, maybe billions.
Rosetta Stone has a service that hundreds to thousands of people depend on.
If Google feels threatened they can buy Rosetta, shut them down and not even notice the spare change.
I can't help but think about the cheese of the month club that my parents were customers of when I was in high school back in the 60's.
I think that there is a problem with the whole trademark system when this can even be litigated.
Making it impossible to use removable media on SIPPERNET computers was being discussed 5 years ago when I was working for the Arkansas National Guard.
Among the several reasons that it wasn't then was the simple fact that sometimes you NEED to move data for presentations and such.
It seems from what I have read that there are many more people with access to it now than then.
Also to the people who were commenting on locked access and such. Yes these computers are usually locked up and if not locked are required to be guarded by a human being at all times that they are available. It could be quite a hassle.
Fortunately at the help desk level all I ever saw was the requests for service. My job was just to pass them on to appropriate authority.
What you don't understand is that there are millions of people that make music just for the sake of doing it. If all of the recording executives were to evaporate tomorrow we wouldn't stop making music. We wouldn't even slow down enough to notice.
The recording industry is a way of delivering music to the public. That's all. Given the salaries and costs ingrained in that method of music delivery it's an incredibly inefficient form of delivery.
I can take a guitar, a computer and a bit of equipment costing less than $1000 and make an album. I can make copies of that album for less than $1.00 and give them to my friends. I can even distribute the resulting songs on a web site for free, as long as I meet the draconian laws on what songwriters need to be paid.
The web site costs a little but can probably be paid for by asking for donations.
A performer can write, perform and share their music for relatively little money and much more efficiently without a recording company.
Perhaps the difference is that when a person that uses a drug or service and a paid flack.
The flack has no particular expertise other than a job at a drug company. It's advertising driving the drug company. Not science or even testimonial, which we all know can be suspect.
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Re: Re: Re: But musicians also don't see what is coming
I sometimes get paid but I've spent 5 times or more what I've made on instruments, strings, other accessories and even gas getting to performances than I've ever been paid.
Most people that listen to music just want to listen. They have no interest in performing.
The undeniable fact that a new instrument, the computer, has come on the scene and that people are using it to make music, even bad music, doesn't change the fact that to a great extent musicians make music because it's fun. Some of them make a living at it. Most of them don't.
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Even then the involvement in recording is in recording their own performances not in the "recording industry".
It's only in the last 75 to 100 or so years that if a person is involved in making music the dream was to make recordings. Before that people were happy to play have fun and maybe make a living.
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Band that made it with free
Who?
The Grateful Dead
You can download hours and hours of their music free at http://www.archive.org/index.php and those that are still alive don't care and never did.
Free can work. It has always been something that was an option and could be built into the music business but the labels didn't like it.
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Stealing
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dandelions
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Bill of Rights
A steady erosion of rights in the USA is so much a necessity in our fight for profits and against terrorism, this is partly about terrorism you know and think of the children. The pedophiles are involved here somewhere, I just know it.
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Making music
It can be pulling out an old chestnut like "Life is Like A Mountain Railway" or making up something new. Either way it can be "new".
Those particular creative people will never be together at this place in their lives. Whatever they decide to record will be different than they would have played at any other time in their lives. Thus it will be new.
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A quick Google search
Sounds like a good place for a class action suit to shut the Tolkien estate down permanently.
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The rules
I'll admit that the rules as they are right now are crazy but as long as the game is being played by those rules they might as well be applied to everyone. Unfortunately the only people that will get rich will be the lawyers but hey sharks have to eat too.
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Trumpet players
Some people have more nerve than brains.
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Who has the best lobby RS or Google
Google is a service that millions of people depend upon, maybe billions.
Rosetta Stone has a service that hundreds to thousands of people depend on.
If Google feels threatened they can buy Rosetta, shut them down and not even notice the spare change.
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Tolkein
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Proper place for ICE
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How many octogenarians have blown up airliners?
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I think that there is a problem with the whole trademark system when this can even be litigated.
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This has been discussed for years
Among the several reasons that it wasn't then was the simple fact that sometimes you NEED to move data for presentations and such.
It seems from what I have read that there are many more people with access to it now than then.
Also to the people who were commenting on locked access and such. Yes these computers are usually locked up and if not locked are required to be guarded by a human being at all times that they are available. It could be quite a hassle.
Fortunately at the help desk level all I ever saw was the requests for service. My job was just to pass them on to appropriate authority.
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Reply to MrWilson
The recording industry is a way of delivering music to the public. That's all. Given the salaries and costs ingrained in that method of music delivery it's an incredibly inefficient form of delivery.
I can take a guitar, a computer and a bit of equipment costing less than $1000 and make an album. I can make copies of that album for less than $1.00 and give them to my friends. I can even distribute the resulting songs on a web site for free, as long as I meet the draconian laws on what songwriters need to be paid.
The web site costs a little but can probably be paid for by asking for donations.
A performer can write, perform and share their music for relatively little money and much more efficiently without a recording company.
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Difference between flacks share and user share
The flack has no particular expertise other than a job at a drug company. It's advertising driving the drug company. Not science or even testimonial, which we all know can be suspect.
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Trouble
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