Lionsgate Claims That Reviewing A Fake Script Is Copyright Infringement
from the and-how dept
Khyle points us to an interesting situation in which movie studio Lionsgate threatened a blogger for reviewing a script which purported to be for a movie called Hunger Games. Admittedly, the link here is from the blog in question, Forever Young Adult, and (for reasons totally opaque to me), the blogger chose to paraphrase the conversation with Lionsgate lawyer Liat Cohen -- so take this with at least some grains of salt. However, the gist of the conversation appears to be that Lionsgate claims that (a) the script that the blog reviewed was fake and (b) that review violated the studio's copyright. The blog caved and took down the post, so we can't see the full post to see if what was written really infringed on the copyright, but if the script is fake, simply reviewing it shouldn't infringe on anyone's copyright. The blogger claims that she never posted the actual script or anything -- just a review. There could be other (potentially serious) legal issues with reviewing a fake script, but I'm trying to see where the copyright infringement claim comes in.Either way, the blogger complied with Lionsgate's demand to take down the review, and issued the following, quite amusing, retraction and apology:
Last week, we received a movie script from an unnamed source. That movie script appeared to be the script for the Hunger Games movie. Acting in good faith, we read the script and then offered up very general thoughts about the direction and tone of the script. At no time did we offer the script up to the internet, nor did we forward the script on to any other bloggers or websites. (Nor do we ever intend to. Frankly I don’t even plan to hang on to it for my own enjoyment, cause it sort of sucked.)Of course, all this just makes me think that Lionsgate is a bit too itchy on the trigger finger against anyone who says anything even remotely critical about one of their films.
Lionsgate has claimed that this script is actually a fake. We have been given no further information than that, and I’m not really sure how they know that what we have is a fake since our post was so very general in nature. I can only hope that as soon as they read the words "Gale becomes a hobo" that they knew something was off, and if that’s the case, then THANK YOU, LIONSGATE.
With no other knowledge to go on, and our dwindling champagne budgets in danger of being seized by a multi-billion dollar company who you would think have better things to do than send nasty emails to YA blogs, we are hereby retracting our opinions on the possibly fake Hunger Games movie script. We take it all back, Internet! Hunger Games movie? What Hunger Games movie? What’s the Hunger Games? Is it, like, Battle Royal but for Americans who hate foreign films?
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Seems clear
He was probably concerned about copyright infringement. The conversation was by email and likely included a copyright notice on the C&D itself.
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...sorry, now that I've got the trolling done, becuase law.
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Also, bloggers aren't really people, but rather punching bags for lawyers....
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> what copyright claim does Lionsgate have over it?
Even better question: what copyright claim does Lionsgate have over someone merely talking about it in general terms?
Even if the script was real, what copyright claim does Lionsgate have over someone merely reviewing it in general terms?
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Someone set me straight here...
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Yes. You are missing the requisite insanity to function in our dark society of eternal debt, warfare, porn, and fast talking goons with degrees and bow ties calling themselves lawyers and lawmakers - where might makes right and reason is treason.
Most of the world is insane, with a few exceptions (thou & me?). Life in this Cosmic Petri dish has gone South, big time. Abandon hope, all ye who incarnate here, where pond scum rules.
(Oops. Sorry. Having a bad hair day today.)
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I GET IT!
Another piece of the puzzle falls into place.
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The reason why...
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Are they lying about it being fake?
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> they're trying to stop a leak and aren't
> embarrassed about using a little bit of
> Kettle Logic to do it
Yes, but even if the script was real, they don't have the right to enjoin people from reviewing it. If they could, all movie reviews could be banned.
Doesn't matter whether the script is still in development or not. Copyright law makes no such distinctions.
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Well...
However, just because the script is a fake doesn't mean Lionsgate doesn't hold the copyright on it. Everyone is assuming that "fake" == "we didn't write it". Another way of looking at it could be "fake" == "not the one being used for the movie but we still wrote it".
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"fake" == "honeypot scripts we generated to find an internal script-leaker"
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Oooooh, I really like that one. Sort of a Mission Impossible mole-hunt type of thing....
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Though would be interesting if the blog didn't fold and counter sued on entrapment, fraud, misrepresentation et.al not to mention their absolute defence of fair use since it was a REVIEW that by definition cannot be a breach of copyright since a review is in itself a copyrightable work created by the reviewer based upon what they have witnessed and/or read of the item they are reviewing. Its not even transformative, but absolutely distinct from the reviewed work.
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Whether it's real or fake, the script is copyrighted since it's a creative work fixed in a tangible form. Either way, though, I don't see how reviewing it is copyright infringement.
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why is any one surprised.
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This sounds a little familiar
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Hungers Gate....
Sorry...I had to...
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retreiving original post
1) Search on Google for:
http://www.foreveryoungadult.com/
2) click on:
more results for: http://www.foreveryoungadult.com/
3) click on cached for:
Forever Young Adult Presents: A Highly Intellectual Discussion of ...
This includes the comment from Lions Gate
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Script
> legal issues with reviewing a fake script
Not sure I see what they would be. I mean, this review was so general, they could have been reviewing the book itself.
Have we reached the point where just saying, "I hope they don't do X when they make a movie out of this, 'cause that would suck" is a copyright violation?
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hmmm?
Please be advised that I represent Lions Gate Films, Inc. which holds all copyright and intellectual property rights to “The Hunger Games”. Your story and excerpts provided in the link below is a completely inaccurate fabrication. Your source is unreliable and this is not the script.
http://www.foreveryoungadult.com/2011/04/06/a-highly-scientific-yet-sorta-vague-analysis-of-the-hung er-games-script/
You are doing your readers a disservice and losing journalistic credibility. Additonally you are violating Lionsgate’s rights. Please withdraw and take down the article immediately and issue a retraction.
If this is not done within 24 hours, Lionsgate reserves all rights to pursue and seek all legal remedies and damages as allowed in law and equity. All rights are expressly reserved.
Liat Cohen, Esquire
Senior Vice President
Business Affairs & Litigation
Direct Line: 310 255 4986
Well, if it isn't the script, then how do you have copyright over it?
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The Book Rights?
Then again, there's no reason to think it actually is a fake. How does the lawyer, Liat Cohen, know that it's a fake script? The review simply doesn't give enough information, and it's doubtful this lawyer really has any special knowledge about what's going on in pre-production of the movie. In fact, there's a long discussion thread at the imdb discussing the script, which was started after the blog post was removed. This would mean, they could enforce copyright and prevent the script from being distributed, but again this is a case of a review of a script, which falls into fair use.
Most likely, the lawyer has been hired to protect Lions Gate's IP, stumbled upon this blog post, thought it sounded like the type of thing she's supposed to prevent and then posted a comment in the comment section (why didn't she send an email?) that was scary and threatening and filled with legalistic mumbo-jumbo to try and stop this perceived threat. And she's just claiming it's a fake to stopper the leak of the script, which wasn't supposed to have been leaked.
This highlights another big problem in IP, which is when these companies outsource their IP protection to these lawyers who have no business sense. The lawyers threaten and intimidate people, who are usually potential customers, into submission and completely tarnish the company's reputation.
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fake script
My comment, of course, assumes several facts. What if the Lionsgate script in development closely tracks an earlier script written by a non-accredited writer who was not compensated and this is the script held by the blogger. Lionsgate by claiming copyright protection is admitting that its script matches in substantial part the document held by the blogger ... which was independently created (in my hypothetical). The independent writer may have sent the script to the blogger to put pressure on Lionsgate.
These scenarios are starting to sound like a script! All we need is a a dead body. Maybe Lionsgate will write Techdirt claiming it currently has this script in development. Let's call it "Spec Script". Memo to Lionsgate: I can be bought off cheaply.
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Mail the script annomously to every blog on the internet.
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Is Lions gate attorney LIat Cohen for real?
Motorcycle accident
slip and fall accident
personal injury
litigation
employment labor
It seems rather odd to me that this person would also be
Liat Cohen, Esquire
Vice-President Business & Legal Affairs
LIONSGATE
[from at least June 2009 to present]
In June, 2009, Nurse K of the Crass-Pollination blog sent an email to LionGate questioning whether the show was taking stuff from her blog. She received a reply from a Liat Cohen, Esquire of LionsGate.
I am just wondering if THAT Liat Cohen is actually an attorney. It might be true but it seems really strange for an attorney to contact someone via a comment in a blog.
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Although why they would hire such an insane beyotch is beyond me.
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