And Here Comes The Video Game Backlash Due To The Norway Tragedy
from the tragic dept
We already discussed how the tragic situation in Norway is already being exploited by some politicians to try to ratchet up security theater, but it may impact other issues as well. In the 1,500-page manifesto that the madman, Anders Breivik, posted online before beginning his rampage, he notes that he used Modern Warfare 2 for "training" and "simulation."I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. … I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.Separately, he talks up the value of using World of Warcraft as a "cover story" for why he was busy all the time, and notes that he did actually play WoW for a while to "isolate himself from the 'consumerist' world in preparation for his attacks." I'm at a bit of a loss as to how playing a commercial game like that isolates one from consumerism, but Breivik does not appear to be particularly big on logic.
But, of course, as with past tragedies involving people who played video games, this has only given new ammunition to those who push the moral panic that violent video games are evil. That article notes that the website "Conservapedia" is using this incident to call for the reversal of the recent Supreme Court ruling that laws banning sales of violent video games are a First Amendment violation. When I looked at the site, it was highlighting a stupid quote from a USA Today editorial about how evil violent video games are, predicting that the next tragedy would involve someone who "was first addicted to harmful video games."
That's an interesting spin. It's also ridiculous. There is no indication, whatsoever, that Breivik was "addicted" to these video games. Or that he was driven to do any of this because of the video games. There is no indication that without these video games he wouldn't have carried out these attacks (or other attacks). He had clearly decided to carry out such a massacre long before Modern Warfare 2 existed.
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Also, I will call your ISP and tell them you stole from me and get you disconnected from the Internet.
We all know it's not possible for two people to have the same information set and then come to the same conclusion, THEREFORE, YOU are a thief!
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p.s. the above is sarcasm!
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All video games are evil except this one
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/gamers-target-u-s-troops-in-chinese-military-shoot er/
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/16/hezbollah.game.reut/
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom /2011/03/boarding-a-pirate-ship-is-drudgery-in-nato-video-game/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Combat:_First_to_Fight
http:/ /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Spectrum_Warrior (They don't like Canadians apparently since you cannot play the free version in Canada)
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Perhaps Breivik should have just downloaded and played the video game that the US government had created explicitly to be a combat training simulator? America's Army is still free, right?
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Maybe he took it too serious?
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What I am waiting for is the finger pointing towards the police for allowing the shooter 1 1/2 hours before they came to accept his surrender. Apparently, they even had a helicopter available. In the U.S. that issue would be already be seeing impassioned debate, much like during Columbine. Is this a Norwegian vs American cultural difference?
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Anyone who thinks MW2 is some kind of accurate combat training simulator should have their head examined because they're crazy.
Oh wait...
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Let's ban lots of things.
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Er, presuming they don't start believing in something that's just as or worse in that respect, like, say, multi-level marketting.
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Any discrepancies are the result of power-mad tyrants manipulating dimwitted populaces. Don't blame the religion for that; those dimwitted populaces would've been manipulated one way or another anyway.
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So, normal lunacy, then.
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Ironic really isn't it, what with you making and publishing assumptions to get traffic.
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http://blogs.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/2011/07/24/norway-suspect-used-activisions-call-of-duty-t o-train-for-massacre/
This is the link that is posted in this article. Did you miss it, or do you not consider Forbes mainstream?
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Heh, and given that, his complaint is especially stupid, since the link is being reported all over the place.
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Even if I'd done nothing more than read the title of the post, I'd draw the conclusion that this is the beginning, meaning that more coverage slanted in the "evil videogame" direction will follow in the near future.
You're the one doing most of the extrapolation here. Ironic, isn't it, what with you making and publishing assumptions just to be noisy.
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I don't think you can get much more mainstream than Forbes, huh?
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well done
Really ironic actually is your stupid comment which in turn causes people to respond increasing overall traffic.
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I'm Amazed they didn't go after other games.
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I'm Amazed they didn't go after other games.
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It's obvious that violent video games de-sensitize.
Yes, people have always been violent. In the Bible are MANY exhortations on how make war: kill everyone including ripping unborn children out of wombs.
Civilization is measured by how much we resist such tendencies, NOT by how much we pooh-pooh and diminish them.
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Ku-klux-klan was based on christian values, not to mention people being murdered because of abortion, Islamic Jihad, Hindu extremism, Jewish extremism.
Political parties also create extremists.
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- Violent Video Games
- War/Action/Horror/etc Movies
- War/Horror/Espionage/etc Books
- All Martial Arts and Combat Sports
- All Shooting Sports
- Most Team Sports
- Most Lounge Games, Board Games and Tabletop Games
- Nerf Guns, Lasertag, Paintball & Airsoft
- Most Kids' Imaginary Games
- Water Balloon Fights
Did I miss anything?
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Snowball fights.
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I can see that violent video games might offer enough desensitization to those who are assigned UAV control duty and have to fire missiles remotely.
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If you takes the FBI's crime rate graphs and mark when major consoles were released over time and even some big name games like GTA, you typically see sharp drops in crime with-in a year of their release.
Correlation vs causation, not sure, but it would be a VERY large coincidence.
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Sure there may be other factors 'countering' the supposed influence of violent games, but it would have to be a hell of a factor.
My personal belief is that society as a whole is becoming less tolerant of violent behaviour causing a slow drop in the violent crime stats. Video games (like Violent TV, Heavy Metal, Rap Music, Rock and Roll etc) are not really an influence in either direction.
Hell, the idea getting lost in a fantasy world created by new media goes back at least as far 1615 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote the poor guy in the story was driven to believe he was a knight errant through reading too many books about knights errant. That theory is just as ridiculous now as it was then.
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Clearly, then, porn desensitizes people to sex!
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I have never met a teabagger, but if I did, I'm pretty sure he would not be a right-wing conservative (TEA Party), as 99% of homosexuals are far-left liberals.
So every time you call a conservative a teabagger, just remember that you are really calling them a uber-left liberal, just like yourself.
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B. There's a difference between teabaggers and Teabaggers. I do not identify all conservatives as Teabaggers. In fact, I am rather conservative/liberatrian. The Teabaggers are the people who roll around spewing outrage about about sand storms being referred to as haboob and changing facts to suit their prejudices and creating their own encyclopediae to suit the imagined "facts".
Has someone else got any other fascinating insights into my character?
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B. Again, disingenuous. The TEA Party is about smaller government, personal responsibility and accountability and lower taxes. These would normally be considered to be good conservative values and inline with conservative/libertarian principles. Only in a far-left, loony worldview do these become the most vile and evil ideas floating around.
Wasn't trying to attack your character, just your flippant use of teabagger. You come off sounding like Janine Garafolo, or Joy Behar, both of which have about 1 functioning brain cell between them.
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You mean like the T-Bag in Winsconsin that is trying to cut everybodies power to negotiate anything?
The T-bags are about crazy policies not anything you said there.
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Nobody has stopped those employees from trying to negotiate better pay and benefits, they just can no longer do it collectively, meaning that everyone has to be judged on individual merit, not the collective lobbying power of a corrupt union.
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The TEA party is a recent response to the horrible economic policies of the worst president in my lifetime (I was born in 1964). He promised hope and change but turned out to be just another tax and spend democrat.
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Which means you don't want people to organize, you don't want others to have power that is scary isn't LoL
I don't like the Unions but the power to collectively negotiate things is a right of everyone, people have the right to assemble peacefully and should be able to speak with one voice on things, no employer will listen to each and every employee, they will just ignore everybody.
If normal people don't have the right to negotiate things, there should be no political parties either, why do people create political parties if not to negotiate in a collective?
Also republicans are just idiots just like their counterparts the democrats.
The Tea Party is the craziest bunch of them all, the only good thing they did was to show people that it is possible to elect somebody to carry on any police even if it is crazy or otherwise.
Anyone who believes that electing someone that says they are republican or democrat must be an idiot, because they simply didn't ask what will you do?
And by that I mean, there was no plan in place, there was no legislation draft agreed on, there was nothing just the emptness of "I will reduce taxes, reduce the government" and that is just crap, why idiots still believe in those lies?
Look at how lobby do things, they do all the work for the congress people, and the politicians don't even bother to read anything they just vote on it, why people didn't produce draft legislation that they want enacted?
Why are you cheering for a political party that was responsible for the worst economic meltdown in almost a hundred years along with the other party(democrats)?
Are you dumb?
If you want to vote for "your" party and politicos that will do nothing than you deserve to be cheated and robbed.
Instead of trying to defend "republicans" why don't you defend the "Tax reduction act draft" oh that is right it doesn't exist, instead you want to defend a party not actual legislation, you defend liars and crooks instead of the actual laws that could change things and that is really, really dumb.
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Lets all negotiate things one on one for now on.
There can't be collective lawsuits against companies or individuals either.
That sounds silly doesn't it? and still you want others not to be able to band together to have their grievances heard.
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1. 27 x 65 = 7555
2. President Obama is a secret Muslim.
3. It's OK to shoot cops if you're feeling oppressed.
4. Anders Breivik is a liberal but he's right that multi-culturalism is a bad idea.
I think I'll stick with the derogatory term Teabagger for the time being.
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Why is only violence linked to video games.
Sound absurd? Yeah so does saying that violent video games cause these things to happen.
People don't think about the millions of people that play violent video games that lead completely normal lives. If a mentally unstable person is triggered by a video game its not a reason to ban them.
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War is no joking matter, but games like CoD and the like turn it into a piss poor joke. Where in the world does it take 20 shots to kill a man with an assault rifle? And explain to me why there is no dismemberment? I'd assume that a claymore mine at point-blank range would blow someone's legs clean off.
Maybe after they've seen some of the actual violence of war they wouldn't be so interested in trying it out themselves.
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WoW not
Well, that right there should be the hint that he's lying out his arse. Lessee...
In Game Pets
In Game Mounts
Stuffed Animals with In Game Pets
Faction Xfers
Realm Changes
Trading Card Game
Guild Chat/Remote Auction House
Coming up....ability to party up cross realm..for a fee.
Monthly fees
Software cost to buy the game
Tshirts/Hoodies of your guild/faction crest
3d statues of your character in w/e gear you want them in (or your current toons item set, straight from in game).
Add-on Development/Donations
(Underground Economy)
Gold buying
Account Selling
WoW is anything BUT "isolated from the 'consumerist' world".
You are not a true WoW addict until you have plucked down $1000+ above the game cost/monthly fees.
/spit
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I'm sure 20 years ago there was no violent crime related to Twitter, therefore Twitter's to blame!
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If you play wow 24/7 you sure as sht aren't out buying stuff. Trust me, you can make bank by playing WoW if you can keep a nice job at the same time. You simply won't be out buying much stuff.
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Turns out I spent about as much money on WoW as he does on his mountain biking hobby.
Stupid Pet Achievement.....*grumble*
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Seriously though, why would any organization put any stock in what this individual has to say, other than to fuel their agenda?
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Playving video games = Combat training?
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Okay, so it was me bragging, but I came to my senses and called myself on my own bullshit.
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So by that logic we should outlaw strong religious views...
So by this logic we should ban any religious ferver or conviction. Because those first addicted to strong religious bindings and/or beliefs will be involved with the next major terrorist attack.
I guess there goes evangelical Christianity... and Islam and Judaism and Hindu and whatever else you can find.
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Cause-Effect Relationship is Backwards
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Let's ban the obvious
"My masters told me that I was right to kill innocent bystanders because they don't believe in my tooth fairy!"
Uh oh..there goes Faux News.
Blaming games for violent behavior is just a lazy way to avoid acceptance for all the extremist garbage passing off as news.
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Next time, take a deep breath, keep your temper in check, and make your case with logic instead of anger.
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All those newspapers linking this to Muslim extremists had to eat their words when it turned out he was a Christian.
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violent effects?
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Is it that violent people are drawn to violent video games, music, movies?
If the first question's logic were true the world should be one big love fest, since there are many more non-violent video games, and more music and movies about love.
Heck, they are not that real, you sit in climate control, in front of a screen eating food. It's just a release mechanism. Legalize pot if you want more pacifist.
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Extremism
Video games do have some influence; shown again and again. Saying there is NO evidence of this merely displays ignorance.
To say there is an acceptable influence (like saying, cars create an acceptable danger to pedestrians) is fine; to say "none" simply reduces the argument to biased reporting.
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didn't he receive military training?
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I must say that in that time I have run into MANY that parrot much of what Breivik did in his Manifesto. In the Forums associated with AA (as well as Battle Field and COD). While
I will not say it is the Games themselves that are causing this (I am in Favor of Multiculturalism for instance and I play), I will say there is a Heavy Far Right Radical and Racial Extremist Element playing within this Game as well.
I will not blame the games directly... But they are certainly a Proving Ground for these types to not only communicate with each other but spread their Ideology to our Children.
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Video Games Backup
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for the love of gaming
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