One Of The Most Successful NY Startups... Is Dedicated To Infringing Activities (According To The Entertainment Industry)
from the but-of-course dept
A few months back, we wrote about the bizarre situation in which advertising giant, GroupM, had put together a list of "pirate sites" on which they would not allow their advertising to appear. From what we've heard, GroupM relied heavily on its entertainment industry clients, including Warner Bros., Paramount and Summit Entertainment on the movie side, and Universal Music on the music side. Universal Music was a key player in compiling the list, which is why a bunch of hip hop blogs it wanted power over ended up on the list (along with other non-infringers like the Internet Archive, Vimeo, SoundCloud and personal websites of Universal's own artists.As we noted in the article, one of the sites listed as a "pirate" site was the site Complex.com, which is a rapidly growing popular "lifestyle" site, focused on young men. What I didn't realize was just how big and successful the site is. Business Insider recently ranked Complex as one of the most valuable NY startups, pinning its value around $140 million. It also has two of the most respected VC firms around backing it: Accel and Austin Ventures. This is not a fly-by-night operation.
And this is a big issue. We keep hearing from supporters of PROTECT IP that people shouldn't worry about it and similar legal attempts taking down legitimate businesses, because it's only designed to go after sites that are dedicated to infringing activities. But as this shows, according to folks in the legacy entertainment world, successful new media companies, like Complex, can be harmed by falsely accusing them of being "dedicated to infringing activities," and seeking to get advertisers or payment processors blocked from the site.
This is why so many tech entrepreneurs are so worried about legal changes like PROTECT IP. We've seen how the old industry likes to accuse anyone who does anything new or interesting of merely being "pirates," and using that to harm them. Why should we then allow Congress to pass new laws that will only come back to haunt the successful new generation of startups that are growing, creating jobs and actually innovating?
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Filed Under: copyright, infringement, protect ip
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The illusion of control
I am afraid at this point in our country's history, we the people only have the illusion of control over our government. It is no longer here to serve us, but we are here to serve it. Even worse, people are freely asking the government to take away our rights.
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They say that the worst blind is the one that doesn't want to see. Talk about that with our dear TD trolls...
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If you believe you're free, there's no escape for you.
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Re: The illusion of control
The 'system' mostly doesn't even exist anymore and is just there to placate the general population with all the financial and military decisions being decided in corporate boardrooms before being passed out to their employees...sorry I mean congress, the senate and the President.
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Every time someone talks about how much money the contentindustry is loosing I always ask "what's wrong with MY money!?".
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As an example, I tried to view a youtube video on my Android phone the other day. Someone posted a link to the video on Facebook. When I clicked it, it said the person who uploaded it had not approved it for viewing on mobile devices. WTH?
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what are you some kind of pirate?
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And BREAKAGE! Let's not forget about the fragile nature of .mp3 files that break if they are dropped! Part of the standard recording industry contract still deducts the cost of breakage from the artists' share. It originated back in the day of vinyl records, but it is still charged even for downloads. Breakage was a dubious charge even in the day of vinyl records. Why on earth should breakage be deducted from the artist's share? Wouldn't it have been more reasonable to attribute breakage to the distribution costs? But the industry's goal then as well as today is to cheat the artist at every turn, so at least they are consistent.
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So how do you solve your moral dilemma? Do you do without or just take it?
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now to find a lawyer to prosecute you for libel!
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Bravo! That was some quality trolling! I foresee your comment being hidden due to mass report from TD readers that actually fell for it.
10/10
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Oh yeah, Hi Marcus.
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You should NEVER, EVER mention the unpaid content creators. The freetards here might catch on that we're the ones that don't pay them and turn our argument against us.
Didn't you get last weeks memo?
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And yes, from my understand these complex guys are as dedicated to infringing activities as Facebook is. So they should target Facebook too, makes sense. Derp....
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The truth is that you CAN bully anyone if you get the government to give you special laws that allows you to do so easy.
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Show respect, get respect.
Got nothing nice to say, then just stfu instead of saying something dumb.
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Because, apparently the only one with a thing for Marcus is yourself. And somehow, you never discuss anything he says just go on about his "performing". Leave him be. If he enjoys doing it that's his thing. I think some really major "stars" are complete and total cr*p. I ignore them and let them do their thing. Not point out their flaws to others or to them on boards. Do the same. You'll spare yourself the aneurysm that is surely headed your way.
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Posting mocking comments is just his latest sad tactic. Too bad you guys fall for his bullshit and give him sympathy. He takes the whole community here down a few notches. God knows why Mike lets him post stories on here. That is some incredibly bad judgement, IMHO.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference
If this site is in fact not guilty of infringement, then GroupM and others maintaining the "pirate list" are guilty of this offense and should be sued mercilessly in court...
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Are you actually serious?
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Complex is a Mark Ecko company
In any event, it makes sense that companies that are scared of hip-hop blogs also would be scared of this venture. But since the magazine is largely marketing/advertising (and from the looks of it the website is too), I don't think they're hurting too badly.
Anyway, I assume a large number of readers have heard of Mark Ecko, so I just thought I'd share.
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Since these draconian IP laws remind me of prohibition, I have to wonder what kind and quantity of gangsters will pop up this time after Dear Leader rubber stamps PROTECT IP. More laws = more bandits after all.
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Innovation? Get a clue Mike
As far as I can tell, Complex is just a bunch of magazines. If they devote themselves to distributing MP3s without paying the creator, well, that's not innovation. Anyone with a web server can put up a file. Real innovation is arranging for the creator to be able to pay for health insurance.
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Re: Innovation? Get a clue Mike
"As far as I can tell, Complex is just a bunch of magazines." So you haven't invested any research into this, don't know anything, still spout your ill informed opinion WHILE telling Mike to get a clue? Get a clue, Bob.
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Follow the money
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First of all, as a .com, Complex.com is not subject to the Protect IP Act. So if it were a pirate site in the eyes of law enforcement, it would be subject to forfeiture right now. But there it is, as big as life. Why FUDboy; why is it still there if it's been branded as a pirate site?
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because copyright was designed to 'promote the (anti)science and (accounting) arts(istry) for the people (in the entertainment industry)'?
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But Mike, don't you see the congress doesn't want to create jobs? After all, that's why congress isn't passing Obama's jobs bill, because, *gasp*, it would create jobs, and we can't have that now can we?
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The data needs to be updated
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