Cleveland Bus System Joins Over 100 Others In Being Sued For Patent Infringement For Notifying People If A Bus Is Running Late
from the patent-trolling dept
Roman points us to the interesting news that the Cleveland Regional Transit Authority has been sued for patent infringement for this daring and shocking bit of piracy: notifying riders that a bus may be late and when it's likely to arrive. You see most normal people would think that this is an obvious idea to those skilled in the art. The reason it wasn't done in the past wasn't because the idea was so difficult to contemplate, or that it was a huge technological challenge, it was merely a limitation of the other technology that makes this possible. Once GPS technology got cheaper, wireless data transmission became more widespread and cheaper and (finally) more people started carrying smartphones (or even SMS-capable phones) this kind of feature sprung up all over the place. It wasn't because some random dude patented the idea, but because it's obvious once all the other key pieces are in place, and it's relatively easy to implement.But don't tell that to Martin Jones, who holds a bunch of these patents. The "Clevescene" story above does not identify the patents or link to the actual legal filing (why don't news sites do that?!?), but after looking around, it's easy to find that Jones and the company he represents have filed over a hundred lawsuits like this recently over a variety of patents. I'm not sure exactly which patents he's claiming in this particular case, but here's Patent # 5,400,020 for a school bus notification system and Patent # 5,623,260 for a notification system for "impending arrival of a transportation vehicle." There are a lot more similar patents that all seem to be slight variations on the same thing. It seems he had this idea and has tried to lock it up and demand payment from tons and tons of companies -- with many agreeing to pay up.
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"Hey, mate, do you know when the next bus is due?" I ask.
"Sure I do, I looked at a bus timetable. Next one's in 10 minutes"
Suddenly, Martin Jones comes zooming down from the sky and crashes into the other guy with the force of a meteorite. The other guy is pulverized, broken bones and guts everywhere.
Just to make his point, Jones then gets up, notices the timetable poster on the actual bus-stop (that I somehow missed) and tears it off. He then looks at me and says "No! If you want to know when the next bus is due, GIMME GIMME GIMME!"
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I wonder if he copyrighted already. We, freetards, are laughing over his creation for free.
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Patent Obvious Obtuseness
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How the hell can you even patent something like this? What's next, patenting telling what time it is? I guess I better keep me a piggy bank on hand for every person I inform of the time.
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also,
"The "Clevescene" story above does not identify the patents or link to the actual legal filing (why don't news sites do that?!?), but after looking around..."
And who says Mike never provides sources?
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what is this... i don't even...
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Well that felt surprisingly good lmao.
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Mar 24th, 2012 @ 3:38am
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Prior Railroad Practice.
(*) Telegraph-- an early form of e-mail, or texting.
In this connection, I should mention that a set of back issues of Trains Magazine represents an enormous photo-archive, and you can almost certainly find a photograph documenting any practice well before the patent horizon. Passenger railroads, in particular, achieved their maximum complexity about 1925. For that matter, the 1928 railroad atlas is generally regarded, among experts, as definitive, because very little track, in the sense of new routes, was built after 1928, but a great deal was subsequently abandoned. In the heyday of railroading, they did all kinds of complicated things to provide better service, which were subsequently dropped as the railroads declined.
All that the various patents in this matter could add, given the combined prior art, is the use of a conventional system of electronic communication to forward the revised schedule to a cellphone. The patents cited were apparently filed and granted before 2006, which is to say that they are pre-KSR-v-Teleflex.
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Maybe we need...
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Patent Failures
There are patent trolls. I would love to see an economic plan for a patent challenge troll, perhaps funded by donation whose job it is is simply to rid the world of such crap.
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Patent trolls add nothing to the economy. They don't make anything useful. They're just parasites who abuse the legal system to prey on others who have done all the hard work, to beat them out of their hard-earned money. I believe a law such as proposed above would go a long way to stopping this unconscionable practice.
To me, the way patent trolls operate is nothing less than legalized extortion. And extortion is a crime and should be dealt with as such.
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Solution to patent reform
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And, yes I agree there needs to be some quick and inexpensive way to invalidate silly patents (with prejudice) and put patent trolls out on the street. My proposal would be a law that if they don't practice the invention they can't enforce the patent. And yes, I think putting invalidated patents permanently in the public domain would be a great idea.
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Just what we don't need...
Seems to me this is so blatantly obvious the USPTO should have thrown it out on first sight. And if bus companies all over the place are already doing it, it has to be obvious.
How long before someone patents driving a car?
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Denmark
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Seattle had this all years ago.
It was trivial to scrape the web page and send yourself a page.
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Patent Trolling Is Easy To Sort Out
1) An actual working example of the patented invention/innovation should be required and inspected at the time of filing the patent.
2) Holders of patents who are not actively developing their invention/innovation should be barred from asserting those patents.
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Well, I guess he has to earn a living somehow
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Next Bus arrival time
The NextBus system is widely used all over the world. It's likely what readers are reporting when they've seen the system here or there. NextBus are not "patent trolls" but an established, economical, and widely used GPS/wireless transit information system.
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