Wil Wheaton Reminds Us That Torrents Are Awesome, And Not Just For Pirated Movies
from the targeting-the-tool dept
The conflation of tools and technologies with the ways people use them is a big problem in the copyright debate. One of the many, many examples is the way the anti-piracy crowd treats "torrent" as a dirty word. Google endorsed this last year when they started dropping it from their search autocomplete results, and as Mike pointed out at the time, just imagine they had done the same with "mp3" a few years ago when that was supposedly synonymous with piracy. Defenders of this kind of filtering don't take such a forward-thinking stance, and their typical response in the torrent debate is to assert that the majority of BitTorrent traffic is likely infringing. Of course, that's not really the point: you don't look at the ratio of infringing use to legal use, but rather at the legal use by itself—if it's substantial and meaningful, then you have to go after the infringing users, not the technology as a whole.
Torrents have many legitimate uses. BitTorrent is simply a good protocol for sharing large files with large groups—they are perfect for films, video games, music and of course software. Linux distros are a commonly cited example, since they are always available by (perfectly legal) torrent, but this is often brushed off as if it's an excuse and torrents are not really necessary for this. Geek icon Wil Wheaton puts a bullet in this notion with a recent post on his blog, clearly demonstrating why he turned to BitTorrent for a copy of Ubuntu:
One of the things that drives me crazy is the belief in Hollywood that bittorrent exists solely for stealing things. Efforts to explain that this is not necessarily true are often met with hands clamped tightly over ears, accompanied by "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA."
As an example of the usefulness of bittorrent for entirely legal purposes, I present the following comparitive images:
In case you can't see, the torrent is going about six times faster than a direct download, needing less than 10 minutes as compared to nearly 45. It's a simple example, but an effective one: P2P sharing is simply better sometimes. Google prides itself of directing people to the best possible information, but when their users start searching for the latest version of Ubuntu or the new Counting Crows album, they won't see autocomplete suggestions for this perfectly legal (and potentially superior) means of obtaining what they want. Seems like that runs directly counter to Google's mission. It may only be a minor annoyance, but it's also pointless, and it will only get worse as more and more people embrace torrents for legitimate distribution.
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Which brings me to another point: distributing load.
Bittorrent is great for distributing the load of a release, so that one server isn't taking the whole brunt of the distribution of the files being released. Ubuntu can release it on their server and BitTorrent at the same time, or any other company, and reduce bandwidth costs and server load. Its another one of the great things about BitTorrent as a protocol.
This can be crucial for smaller companies, if they are paying for the amount of bandwidth they use in a month. One popular release could drain a bank account. In the case of the Indie Bundle, I certainly choose the BitTorrent option, hoping to save the Humble Bundle guys some cash so they can put out more great bundles.
It is a great technology that takes full advantage of the protocols and standards the internet is based on.
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RIFT is a MMORPG game: RIFT
as well as SW:TOR (Star Wars: The Old Republic): SW:TOR
Google/Startpage/[your fav search engine here] is your friend!
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They're basic a single-purpose torrent client that routes you to the peers closer to you speeding up the download a lot, and then when your pc is idle those softwares seed the game file. It pretty much reduces costs by replacing the need of maintaining a dedicated storage server for the cheaper way of keeping a seedbox and spreading the download with your players globally.
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Currently only companies selling internet use megabits, to make the speed seem larger. They should let megabit die already.
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Actually, us in networking (which includes, yeah, companies selling Internet access) do use megabits all the time. Witness wired Ethernet speeds (10 megabits/s, 100 megabits/s, 1 gigabit/s, ...), wireless speeds (54 megabits/s, 150 megabits/s, 300 megabits/s, ...), and many many others.
It also makes sense technically: the fundamental unit of information being transfered is the bit, not the byte.
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... which is why you shouldn't be bothering with all those esoteric terms. They're too easy to obfuscate.
A byte is traditionally 8, 16, 32, or 64 "bits" (1 or 0). For multiples, we tack on "Systeme International" (SI) prefixes. "kilo" == 1,000 (eg. 1000 meters in a kilometer). "mega" == 1,000,000.
A kilobyte is 1024 bits, *because* 'echo "2^10" | bc' ==
1024 (which is close to 1,000). Similarly, a Megabyte is 2^20 bits or 1048576.
So endeth the lesson. :-)
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A byte has NEVER been "traditionally" anything but 8 bits. NEVER. A "word" may vary depending on the architecture of the CPU; for example, Motorola (on the 680x0 family) calls a word 16 bits, while IBM (on the Power/PowerPC family) calls it 32 bits. The two main measures of binary data are:
nibbles: 4 bits
bytes: 8 bits
words: 16 bits
longs: 32 bits
quads: 64 bits
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nibbles: 4 bits
bytes: 8 bits
halfwords: 16 bits
words: 32 bits
doublewords: 64 bits
In any case, however people try to justify using bits for networking, they're still trying to justify ripping off the end user. All the end user cares about is how much REAL data he can send or receive... how many BYTES per second the file downloads at. None of the rest matters. Adding in all the overhead is ANOTHER way of trying to rip off the end user since they're advertising bits that don't go towards his download rate. It's marketing at its finest... that is, at its WORST at deception.
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You would have a point if there was an easy way to predict what that actual data rate is in terms of payload data. But there's not. The amount of overhead can and does vary for a lot of reasons.
The only accurate way to relate the speed of the underlying network is through bits per second. Do try and do it the way you suggest would not only be very inaccurate (and easier for unscrupulous companies to fudge) but it would make comparing the rates between different services much more uncertain.
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It's like in the old modem days, when the usual configuration added two bits of overhead for each byte transmitted. So, usually, a byte would equal 10 bits -- but not always, depending on the combination of start/stop/parity bits negotiated between the modems. A modem manufacturer couldn't accurately say how many bytes could be transmitted per second as they couldn't know how many bits would be in a byte.
Conceptually, similar things are happening with the various network hardware (ethernet, fiber, whatever) used today.
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Not only is the number and length of all headers unknown to the network (end-to-end principle at work), but the number of times it will have to send a packet to ensure transmission is as well. Even assuming no corruption with only the one user, someone other company could drop your packets.
The network layer simply cannot say what the application layer will see. All it can do is promise so many bits of data per second.
Of course, they could report the number as bytes (divide by 8) and it may be more honest for them to do so, but it would still have all the overhead wrapped up in it. That is simply not going anywhere.
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Especially since most of their previous ways of releasing have been cut off to U.S. citizens. Namely file lockers have been shut down, despite having perfectly legitimate uses.
I for one won't get any Linux distro if I can't get it through torrents. The example above is a perfect reason why. It's just way faster and even if there's a hiccup while downloading, it picks up where it lefts off. As opposed to having to start the entire direct download over again from scratch.
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Actually, Debian prefers we use jigdo which is a lot like torrents but even easier on repos. It works pretty well.
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Last Sunday's Game of Thrones 1.3GB episode downloaded in less time it took to walk downstairs, nuke something in the microwave, and walk back up.
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on the other hand a few semiprivate trackers im part of tend to have better speeds despite poor ratio tracking and little or no ratio requirements.
protip: look at swarm size, if the ratio of seeds to peers is Low:High, speeds likely will be bad, if they are close or Hith:low (seeds:peers) you will likely get good speeds.
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In the UK most* drivers speed on the motorway, but you don't argue that the solution is to remove motorways.
The mechanism is not the problem, hence the solution is not to remove the mechanism.
* If you don't believe me try sitting at 70 on a motorway and see how much traffic goes past you :¬)
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Also a factor is your ISP level of service, many in the US and some other countries do throttle bittorrent transfers by default.
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Now, torrents are used by open source software developers and independent musicians and film makers to distribute their content as they see fit but they are also used to distribute material that infringes copyright; does that mean that torrents should be illegal? No!
Hollywood would do well to realise this and use torrents to their advantage.
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Can I get a link from you?
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The fact that you make a personal attack against Will Wheaton rather than address any other point in the article says a lot about you. MAKING AD HOMS ABOUT PEOPLE IS MUCH MORE PATHETIC, than glorifying them for whatever reason.
And sorry to say, Will Wheaton is very much a geek icon. If you look at his list of works a very large amount of it would be considered "geeky".
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Noted nerd? Actor/author? Big Bang Theory guest star? Former obnoxious-space-genius-with-magic-powers?
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he may not be to YOU, in particular, but to many of us, he's very much a geek icon.
From his work on TNG, to his excellent blog, to his work with the gaming community, Wootstock, his amazing keynotes for Pax, etc etc....I can't think of many other folks that have done as much for the geek community as good ol Wesley Crusher.
You may not like him, but he is unquestionably a geek.
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homage to Family Guy - the true center of the universe
wwwill wwwheaton
with an extra wha on the first www and an extra whee on the second
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You should be ashamed to bring it up in conversation.
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And I own the copyright on the Golden Gate Bridge.
Face it, the show sucks so hard that it's surprising that anyone can stand to watch it anymore.
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Money + Powers-That-Be = your idea is heresy
Something like that; if you abridged the whole mess. SSDD
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i'll say that again: he got into trouble over politics completely unrelated to the science, and his science was bad Anyway.
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Imagine Sheldon arguing with the Pope and you get the basic idea.
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That is just plain theft
He should have paid for a full version of Windows.
(Sarcasm off)
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Can't you tell? It's a pretty loud crowd. Start with RIAA, MPAA and BSA and work outwards from there.
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No, not at all. But it extends to all copyright holders who dedicate significant resources to a futile fight against piracy, or who push for stronger copyright enforcement laws at the expense of all else, or who rant and rave about piracy in public statements, or who use piracy as an excuse for their business troubles, or who place pressure on someone like Google to filter "torrent" from autocomplete, or who get terrified of every new technology and act as though it is dedicated to piracy when in fact it has lots of legitimate uses...
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I don't actually see anything wrong with google removing "torrent" from the auto-suggest thingy. I don't think it constitutes an attack on bittorrent as a technology.
If the majority of torrent traffic is infringing copyright (which I don't think anyone is doubting) than the trade-off is a good one imo.
It makes it /slightly/ harder to find the 5% of legal torrents and /slightly/ harder to find the 95% of infringing ones.
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In the case of copyright infringement, instead of typing in "Hurt Locker" and arrowing down a few suggestions for "Hurt Locker torrent" I now have to type in "Hurt Locker torrent".
Ooooooh. Look how much arder it is to infringe copyright.
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It's not going to stop someone typing in "torrent" at the end of the suggested auto-complete
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Google's auto-suggest algorithm presumably works by looking at the most commonly searched-for combinations of words, and obviously lots of people download torrents of copyright works, but to suggest "torrent" in the auto-suggest box is a bit like rubbing it in the faces of people that are looking for that content legally. It officially states that more people are looking for the thing for free, than are paying for it, and psychologically, that encourages some people to do what everyone else is doing. Some people may not have even considered not paying for it until they see "torrent" in the auto-suggest.
I appreciate that bit-torrent is a viable way to distribute all sorts of legal content and I understand that there's a trade-off, but the truth is that the vast majority of torrents are distributing copyright content, so as I said before, I think the trade-off is worthwhile.
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You seem to have missed the entire point. Torrents are not automatically illegal. There is plenty of content, including copyrighted content, available for free, legitimately, by torrent. And yet you still think that the mere mention of the word is "rubbing it in the faces of people that are looking for that content legally".
It officially states that more people are looking for the thing for free, than are paying for it, and psychologically, that encourages some people to do what everyone else is doing
People don't need social pressure to prefer getting stuff for free over paying for it. And what if they are looking for content that they already know is free - like the latest Ubuntu linux, as is the example here? They won't get the suggestion that "hey, there's a way to download this that might be much faster"
Some people may not have even considered not paying for it until they see "torrent" in the auto-suggest.
Again, stop assuming that the only use for a torrent is not paying for things.
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Please allow me to add the following (in bold) to my last paragraph. I thought it was implied in the first place...
I appreciate that bit-torrent is a viable way to distribute all sorts of legal content and I understand that there's a trade-off, but the truth is that the vast majority of torrents are distributing copyright content (without the permission of the copyright holder), so as I said before, I think the trade-off is worthwhile.
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Hi, I think you must be new here. A LOT of people around here doubt that the majority of torrent traffic is infringing. Besides this, torrents aren't illegal. Why try to hide all the legal content that is provided through torrents in a silly, useless gesture at trying to hide the illegal?
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* Go to the pirate bay.
* Browse torrents.
* Pick any category.
* Order the list by numbers of seeders or leechers (max first)
* Try to find a non-infringing torrent on the first 5 pages.
If you have doubts about whether the majority of torrent traffic is infringing, I think you may be slightly delusional.
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1. Billy Van Dubstep Media Bundle
2. Adele - 21 (Limited Edition CD-Rip @320kbps Bonus+Cov) [PRIME]
3. drake - Take Care (Deluxe Version) [Official Album] [CD-Rip]
4. Rihanna - Talk That Talk (Deluxe) [2011-Album][SW]
The rest of the 1st page was content from more big name artists. So please tell me how these AREN'T infringing files. If you download a torrent to get out of paying for something, (like most other torrent users do) then at least admit it.
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You do not have super judge laws powers. Or do you???
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So please tell me how these ARE infringing files? Last I checked, copyright infringement meant copying without permission right? So how do you know they don't have permission?
See, you're still acting like you have precognitive law powers, so I guess you must have them. Otherwise I don't see how you can know for sure they are infringing on anything.
Lets take a look at your example, no:4
Rihanna - Talk That Talk (Deluxe) [2011-Album][SW]
How do you know this is "infringement"? Do you have proof it is? Are you Rihanna? Can you prove it, you know, in that place that proof is need for judgment to be handed down? A little place known as a court of law?
If not, then we're talking about this being a case of "Guilty until proven innocent". In which case, you have some twisted views about how the world works.
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Actually, how do we know anything?
*passes bong*
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You are probably trolling, but whatever. I'll play along since you aren't even a funny troll. A COMPANY (aka, artist's label) made a PRODUCT (aka, album/song) with the intent of selling it to make a profit. So why would a company put their own product for free on a site called the PIRATE bay, then bitch about how piracy ruins sales? But then there's the whole issue of "HURR DURR HUR PERMISSIONZ!!!111" like you said...I think the link on TPB's site where they actually show all their legal letters can prove that they don't really have permission. If you are going to reply back to this, at least try to be a funny troll. ;) I might even vote your comment as funny if I'm feeling nice.
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I don't doubt it either. I do, however, doubt a 95-to-5-percent ratio of infringing to non-infringing uses.
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"Hice art you have there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it..."
It doesn't help that Law students seem to see it as easy money, too.
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On-line classes use bitorrent
It's the perfect solution. Each week, for ten weeks (with a minimum of four classes), all the students download their class files. Since they are all downloading at nearly the same time, the band width is shared among all the students in the class.
This lets the school keep their bandwidth costs down as well.
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Great post
The point is that the word "torrent" is not politically correct and you are right, it's not strictly related to piracy.
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Blizzard
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LibreOffice: faster to download uTorrent, then LibreOffice
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A road is not the same thing as the car that drives on it
What it is, is a transportation system for files and data, that's it. Since the files are called torrents, it's associated with the system. The files can be useful, time-wasting, illegal or malicious. But the same can be said for anything you regularly download off the internet, so you know what, we should probably get rid of the internet so you don't hurt yourself with those evil data packets out there.
There's a bad driver out there who gets drunk, gets in his/her car, drives on the road and hits someone. Do we stop using roads, do we shut down streets and freeways becasue they are dangerous, do we condemn car manufacturers for creating this vehicle(data file)? No, we condemn and prosecute the person who operated the vehicle (the creator of the data file or torrent file). But only him, we don't do that to all the good drivers out there driving safely.
I know, Iknow, but Shadey Hollywood and others go after the dirty, rotten stinking pirates out there, aren't they trying to keep us safe? You can argue about that, but they don't do it the same way we do in every other situation, why do they get a free ride? Is it because they brought us classics like Gigli, Troll 2, From Justin to Kelly, Santa Claus conquers the Martians and many others great cinematic gems?
I guess the point I was trying to make at the beginning of this before it got away from me, is that BitTorrent as a system is not illegal, it is not wrong and it is not damaging. It is a tool, a tool that is useful and one of the best options out there right now. To not use it is incredibly stupid and puts you behind others who use it to their business advantage.
Further proof that the protocol has a place, the creator has been working to adapt it for live video streaming to cut costs.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/bittorrent-live/
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More websites that distribute legal torrents
Those are some legal torrents off the top of my head. If it didn't take me that much time to think of legal torrents, maybe that says more about the *AAs than the people who actually download the torrents.
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Umm yeah, considering it failed to pass one of the most basic statistic test of 5% significance by a large margin, I can say that the torrents are not used to distribute legal files.
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I have seen real infringement... It aint torrenting a file
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New Law Bans Hammers Amidst Cries from Home Builders
The proceeding is a fake news report I generated both in an effort to finally achieve a "most insightful comment of the week" nod, and also to illustrate the key point here that many who would see BitTorrent banned seem to miss: You can punish behavior, but you cannot punish the tool. Any tool, every tool, all tools have the potential to be used for good. Even implements of torture can be used to craft leather belts. When you start to ban a tool rather than it's (mis)use, this is what you get. Do you really want us to go back to hammering houses together with a flat rock?
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Or for tools of Sado-masochism.
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Torrents Rock !!
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