Legacy Artists Sign Letter Demanding ISPs & Search Engines Pitch In To Return Them To Their Former Glory
from the because-when-I-think-underpaid,-I-think-Simon-Cowell,-Elton-John,-etc. dept
In what one can only assume was the result of a long weekend retreat at an exclusive resort, various British artists have banded together to post an open letter to, well, who knows? The open letter, signed by several beneficiaries* of the recording industry, calls for the British government to make with the three strikes and such already. Apparently, these artists feel that the badly drafted (and hastily approved) Digital Economy Act is taking far too long to implement. In the meantime, millions of pirating pirates are pirating millions of pounds right out of their pockets.*The full list of signatories includes Simon Cowell, Roger Daltrey, Professor Green, Sir Elton John, Lord Lloyd-Webber, Dr (?) Brian May, Robert Plant, Roger Taylor, Tinie Tempah and Pete Townshend. With a few exceptions, we're looking at artists that have re-sold albums on vinyl, eight-track, cassettes, CDs, SACDs and digital.
The letter touches all the right political nerve endings, starting with the British "creative sector:"
As the world's focus turns to Britain, there is an opportunity to stimulate growth in sectors where Britain has a competitive edge. Our creative industries represent one such sector, which creates jobs at twice the speed of the rest of the economy.Considering the "creative sector" involves everyone from songwriters to bagboys, it can probably be safely stated that the "creative industries" create jobs faster than whatever few industries remain once the "creative sector" finally closes the tent door.
Next there's a bit of talk addressing trade deficits... or something:
Britain's share of the global music market is higher than ever with British artists, led by Adele, breaking through to global stardom. As a digitally advanced nation whose language is spoken around the world, Britain is well-positioned to increase its exports in the digital age.No sooner are we assailed with the news of an impending if-only British Invasion than the authors begin conflating piracy with consumer confusion:
We can only realise this potential if we have a strong domestic copyright framework, so that British creative industries can earn a fair return on their huge investments creating original content. Illegal activity online must be pushed to the margins. This will benefit consumers, giving confidence they are buying safely online from legal websites."Fair return," eh? Well, one man's "fair" is another man's "month's worth of income." If you start with phrasing that makes your musical exports sound more like a colonizing force than a gift to the world, you need to be careful about what you assume is a "fair" return on your investments. Even domestically, people got a tad touchy when asked to shell out several pounds for a couple of decent tracks and 45 minutes of filler. Didn't seem all that "fair" back then, but we never heard Roger Daltry, Brian May, Elton John et al. complaining.
And as for the "buying safely online..." Well, that's just like ICE saying it needs to shut down file lockers because consumers might purchase faulty counterfeit fire alarms. For the most part, people engaged in "not paying" for their music and movies have confidence in their safety. It's not that people aren't buying because the pay options aren't "safe." They're not buying for any number of reasons. The content is over-priced. The content is "not available" for purchase due to licensing and region restrictions. The content is crippled with DRM. Sometimes they're not buying simply because they don't want it, but in the eyes of many in the industry, a drop in sales is always due to copyright infringement.
After half-assedly coming to the "aid" of the beleaguered consumer, the collective classic rock hydra turns on the faces of the internet itself:
The simplest way to ensure this would be to implement the long-overdue measures in the Digital Economy Act 2010; and to ensure broadband providers, search engines and online advertisers play their part in protecting consumers and creators from illegal sites.By "protecting" consumers, they of course mean "cut off service," "serve with threatening letters," "allow certain industries to alter search results" and "punish fiscally without showing evidence of damage." Yes, nothing would send the masses back, money in hand, to the welcoming arms of the recording industry than giving each accused pirate (based on nothing stronger than an IP address, of course) the opportunity to spend their own time and money attempting to prove a negative. I imagine historians and economists will discuss the sudden spike in music sales resulting from the implementation of the Digital Economy Act for years to come, holding it up as a triumph of enforcement over reality. The recording industry will party like it's 1999 (except, like, if Napster had never happened).
They wrap up the open letter with a heartfelt plea:
We are proud of our cultural heritage and believe that we, and our sector, can play a much bigger role in supporting British growth. To continue to create world beating creative content, we need a little bit of help from our friends.Hmm. "Friends." Well, it can't be the consumers. And it certainly can't be the ISPs and search engines (which really just means Google). So, these "friends" must be politicians. And if you can't "get by" without a little help from those friends, should you really be in business anyway?
Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.
While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.
–The Techdirt Team
Filed Under: andrew lloyd-webber, blame, copyright, elton john, enforcement, pete townshend, roger daltrey, roger plant, simon cowell, three strikes, uk
Reader Comments
Subscribe: RSS
View by: Time | Thread
They should work for a change instead of bitching about somebody copying music, of freaking video or a book.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
I missed that part, all I got was some old guys yelling you kids get off my lawn.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
His outside work has been some light research and co-authoring of books on the subject.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-148006/Brian-May-honoured-honorary-Doctorat e.html
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: May's doctorate
I know, I know, facts are just a legacy issue...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: May's doctorate
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-08-04-brian-may-astrophysics_N.htm
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: May's doctorate
Mea culpa.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: May's doctorate
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: May's doctorate
He should remember that pure science has thrived on the free flow of information and created the internet in its present form as a way of facilitating that. Is he really stupid enough not to realise that the agenda of the copyright lobby is to destroy that free information flow.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: May's doctorate
Greedy maybe...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
(cant remember which one)
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
The world's economy in ruins, and these egotistical has-beens have the nerve to write an open letter complaining that they aren't rich enough?!
If they want more money, let them work for it!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
He sort of sees himself as sort of a journeyman craftsman and never expected to have more than a mildly comfortable living. So in that context it was even more jarring to seem him espouse the superiority of the labels' system over the direction we are moving now.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:DALTREY
Later days, I'm popping in "The kids are alright" video. (Oh, yeah, I think the rest of The Who did pony-up a lot for Keith Moon's elaborate lifestyle. But everyone 'loves' Moonie, innit? I always hear?)
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I'll buy from people who aren't dickbags thank you very much.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Who do you think you're fooling?
You're a douchebag on a pirate blog complaining about people that contribute more to society in a day than your entire family has in a lifetime.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Contributing to culture is one thing; why the hell do we have to guarantee you being filthy rich to do it?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
/badtastebear
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Obviously there are plenty of studies that suggest you are the douchebag here.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Cue the Idiots.
These guys are the dinosaurs of rock.
Some of their relevant works are older than some of us that are middle aged.
There's simply nothing left to buy from these people with the possible exception of "reunion tour" tickets.
You only have to buy Tommy on CD once. That could have been 15 years ago.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Cue the Idiots.
And to the idiot above who said these "rich" rock stars didn't get paid by the labels, Bzzzt: you're lying. That's exactly how they got their money. Their tours broke even at best, and were undertaken to promote their albums.
No one in their right mind believes the idiot shit you freetards spew on here.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Cue the Idiots.
I tune in to great "Weird Al" Yankovic music. "Stop Dragging My Car Around". "You Don't Love Me Anymore". Yet, when I got a friend to help me purchase legitimate albums when she studied in the US, she was laughed at.
Courtney Love is rich - but do you really think, based on her well-known complaint, that her labels paid her what she deserved?
No one in their right mind believes that labels are dying, except idiots like you.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Cue the Idiots.
Daltrey would no doubt object to me ripping my other Who LPs into digital format though.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Bah. Queen without the genius of Freddie Mercury, it isn't really Queen.
It's the remaining Queen members covering Bad Company songs. (IMHO)
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Right. I wasn't refuting your point. Just the thought of Paul Rogers covering the older Queen stuff grates on my last nerve and I went a bit off-topic. Sorry.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
He's a had been.
Big deal.
He was huge in his day. That day has passed.
He's already used up his sales potential. No amount of whining about piracy is going to change that.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Simply the actions of these groups have so poisoned my attitude toward major music that I'll have nothing to do with them anymore.
I often wonder just how many more like me, informed of what is going on that feel the same way and have stopped purchasing music.
They can't go bankrupt soon enough to suit me.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Good for you my friend, we all add up.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Out of touch
Of course, the whole "search engines are promoting illegal stuff" argument is great in itself because it tells us a couple of key things:
Firstly; people want to find mp3s of popular music that they can download. If they didn't, they wouldn't be searching Google for them.
Secondly; Google, as a search engine, is there to give *its users* what they want. They're not there to serve the BPI (or whoever was behind this). It has all those complicated algorithms to work out what is popular and ... surprise surprise, sites allegedly offering free or cheap mp3 downloads of popular music do well.
Thirdly; If the first n pages of a Google search for "Adele mp3" (to use the example given in the programme below) are all to supposedly unlawful sites, what has happened to the lawful ones? Why aren't they right at the top of the list? Because the sites that do that don't exist. And if they do exist, they're hidden behind terrible websites, paywalls and the lot, so you can't find them easily through a search.
So, what do we do about this? Well, if these legacy musicians want to fix their little problem, it seems the solution is quite easy:
1: Have sites that provide legal downloading of mp3s and similar stuff.
2: Recognise that the consumers (including 'pirates') actually want music, but they want it a certain way, and if you're going to try to act as a consumer-facing business, you should try to match their demands.
3: Make sure that the sites in 1 are easily accessible, well-designed, and will actually turn up in search results.
Sadly, signing a letter that says "blame Google" is less effort.
For those interested, they even got the BBC to do a Newsnight segment for them on this rubbish. Interestingly, I did a search for "adele mp3" on Google; the top few results appear to be theoretically legal in the US (only hosting information, or previews, with DMCA-compliant stuffs, and linking to paysites in the Ukraine and Russia which may be legal over there due to collective licensing rules).
The other thing I found particularly illuminating was that the top page has 10 search results (including one for amazon.com) and 8 notices covering 18 entries removed following DMCA notices. Somehow I don't think the takedown requests are doing that much good anyway.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Out of touch
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Also, how many of those geriatric musicians even know how to turn on a computer without help? Less than half I bet.
Boo-fucking-hoo-for-you. They're almost as bad as whiney rich bankers who write laughable opeds about how people are so "mean" to them.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I think we should charge Cowell money for inflicting _____ Idol and every other show he's produced upon the world.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Using Adele as a shining example of British music? Really?
I have zero interest in even hearing such music never mind buying or pirating it. Better examples would be bands like Touchstone, Panic Room and Mostly Autumn. Bands where you can see real talent and creativity. All bands who I have supported 100%, incidentally, and continue to support by spreading the word.
All of the people involved in this letter have made their fortunes and most aren't even making new music anymore, just milking their back catalogs. I would rather support emerging artists financially than those who made their fortune and pissed it away on drink and drugs.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
This is a wild speculation, but i would think that he is most probably worried that today's mainstream music sucks (which it does, and Adele is a prime example) and it happens because talented musicians don't bother trying themselves in music (maybe forgetting how he himself was living in a shithole in the early days of Queen), and record sales go down which he interprets as a sign that music industry is dying (when in fact it's changing).
This is a lot of assumptions, but while Brian May might be misinformed, he's certainly not that dumb.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
Really? I always thought of him as of Slash: one pedal only, always soundin the same.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Huge Investments
The resources invested are only a portion of the equation of running a successful venture.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Get out much?
The Who
Legendary. Redesigned sound equipment because existing equipment wouldn't handle their load. Defined being a young adult (or almost adult) for an entire generation.
Led Zeppelin
Legendary. Started a few memes - we all hear about the kid who just wants to play "Stairway to Heaven on his guitar, right? Brought about a new style of music from all the roots floating around back in the 60s.
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Legendary.
From Wikipedia:
Elton John
Makes me want to barf, but you can't deny his success, his abilities or his impact on music.
Queen
Popular. I wasn't that thrilled with them, but you can't deny their success at the time.
Simon Cowell and a couple of rappers
You might be right.
In general, you are either misinformed, too angry to have written anything, or eminently ignorable.
At least I won't have to START boycotting Elton John or Queen, but it is going to hurt to not buy any Who or Led Zeppelin albums. I was just starting to gather some old music again. Led Zeppelin was one of the very first albums that I bought back in high school. At least Neil Young mostly gets it.
It reminds me that in the 60s/70s, there was a lot of new music to check out. New styles were popping up, creativity was flowing...
But there is a whole lot of new music out there that I haven't checked out yet. Guess I'll check out the music in the Humble Music Bundle that I just bought today.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Wait... what?
There is at least one industry outpacing the "creative sector" -- the internet economy is nearly doubling every three years (though I suppose that online digital music accounts for nearly 0.5% of that sector).
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Wait... what?
Back to the point - i guess, it's because the music industry overall is expanding, while *legacy* music industry is shrinking.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
mmmmm
Just Google "Elton John at Sun City on the beach" to see how fucking ridiculously crazy he is.
The rest of them if i have paid for there money once i am entitled by law to download it again.
Get out of the Music Industry your are stifling creativity , you are stealing from Artists ,just go away, and close the door on the way out.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Talk to the hand.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Oh... are you from the past?
The best ones were Led Zep obviously - who's career was (among other things) a wholesale pillaging of other artists... Led Zep simply couldn't have existed with the copyright bullshit that they're now attempting to inflict on the future.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Oh... are you from the past?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Oh... are you from the past?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2099876
Come on trolls I am baiting you with this one.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
So I guess 70s rockers can be picky about what laws they should follow
Maybe the people on this list should focus on creating relevant music again.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: So I guess 70s rockers can be picky about what laws they should follow
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
"We can only realise this potential if we have a strong domestic copyright framework"
"The simplest way to ensure this would be to implement the long-overdue measures in the Digital Economy Act 2010; and to ensure broadband providers, search engines and online advertisers play their part in protecting consumers and creators from illegal sites."
Ok, I'm no economist, but I completely fail to see how cutting internet access to UK citizens will help the UK economy. Surely, even if somehow these measures were to cut online infringement in the UK, and supposing sales of copyrighted material were to increase - this would result in more money leaving the UK economy and either going to the American industries which are much bigger or ending up in some foreign bank so the (already rich) artists could avoid paying tax on it. As far as the UK is concerned, surely it would be better if the tax loopholes were closed and online sales of UK content were increased in the rest of the world?
Obviously, I don't understand global economics, but can someone explain how taking money from the UK population leaving a smaller pool of money available to the lower classes and distributing it to the wealthy improves our economy?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
They are nothing but filthy rich old Farts now.
All of these guys sold out Decades ago.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Mom's music
If you're a young person these days and you want this old stuff, you see Mom or grandma.
Nobody is illegally downloading their stuff...those that want it already have it!
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Weird, they didn't say how much they were going to pay these parties for doing the job they should be doing themselves. Wonder why they left that part out?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Do all those things, and then whats next?
nooooooo, dont think to far beyond your fucking wallets, i mean what do you give a shit, that what you describe as being a cure for copyright infringement looks so much like a foundation to censorship
Thanks for the list of assholes i wont ever be listening to........bunch of pillocks
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Whatever that means...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Mike Masnick, no skin in the game, not an artist (except perhaps a bit of a artist with words) say "live with piracy" and you think he is smart.
Perhaps you guys should start paying attention to people who actually have a horse in the race, and not some flack with a racing sheet.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Seriously, how many more times and in how many different formats do these people think we're going to purchase the same friggin' material from bygone eras? They expect us to keep throwing money at them so that they can continue to maintain their elite lifestyles, then cry to the government about the internet, their #1 go-to excuse for being washed-up has-beens and talentless scrubs, when the public spends their money elsewhere. Do they honestly believe that by crippling the internet, society will have an epiphany and suddenly start purchasing albums by the truckload? I think not. You would likely see a mass boycotting of all major label artists, protests outside government buildings and concert venues (not to mention lower attendance), etc.
People resent being pushed around by bratty rich snobs who think they're in a position to disrupt technology and force-feed themselves on the public. Isn't it ironic how on the one hand major labels go around promising people fame and fortune yet will turn around moan about how bad business is on the other? Something's not quite right.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Cue the Idiocy...
The only hope they have for making money is touring.
As "recording artists" they are out of touch old geezers.
They have as much relevance to the discussion as Mike. They presented by the industry as an appeal to authority for the unwary. Anyone capable of critical thinking should see past the nonsense.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
The skin I have in the game is that I'm the one who is going to pay a super-extra-high cable bill when the cable company passes on the expense of FUCKING SPYING ON ME just to make sure that billionaires can squeeze every damned penny out of a song that was written back in 1968. More of my precious skin will be lost when the government co-opts the "save the artists/save the wee children" system they'll have in place to make damned sure that nothing like the Arab Spring ever happens to an increasingly onerous and Big-Brotherish US government.
Don't tell me I don't have a horse in the race and skin in the game, you sniveling idiot. My contempt for you and other non-thinkers like you knows no bounds. You deserve the world we're slowly but surely getting, but I don't feel as if I do.
And, BTW, I'm an older lady who doesn't download anything because she doesn't know how, and wouldn't care for the stuff being downloaded even if I knew how to do it -- though I used to swap LPs and make mixtapes for all of my friends back in the day, which I'm sure would be illegal today. Also a strong library supporter (free books!) I'm here for the civil rights and keep your hands off my taxes aspects of this particular game.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Can't wait for the whole music business to go bankrupt. With all the money they are throwing around, I keep wondering what's taking so long, if they are doing as poorly as they claim.
If you holler wolf enough, no one cares.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
"We are proud of our cultural heritage and believe that we, and our sector, can play a much bigger role in supporting British growth. To continue to create world beating creative content, we need a little bit of help from our friends."
As:
"Aww, intewnet! Don't put us out of bwisness :("
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Please shut down the internet so that we can put food on the table.
Yours truly,
Disgruntled Wealthy Dinosaurs"
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
legacy artists
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
They're past their expiration date...
These are the LAST PEOPLE we should be taking direction from.
ALL OF THEIR STUFF should be free to copy.
If anything, the represent what's wrong with the law and why it needs to be rolled back.
Sorry Rob, it's time to take you place with Beethoven and Mozart.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]