The Magician Sued By Teller For Copyright Infringement Has Tried A Disappearing Act In Response
from the also,-craziness dept
Nearly a year ago, we wrote about the disappointing news that Raymond Teller, better known as "Teller" from Penn & Teller (also as the silent guy in that act), was suing another magician for copyright infringement for copying one of his tricks. This was disappointing on multiple levels. As we had discussed years ago, magicians are an example of a market that has been hugely innovative over the years, mostly without copyright being used at all. In fact, it's not entirely clear that a magic trick can be covered by copyright -- even if Teller successfully "registered" this particular trick. Copyright registration is basically a rubber stamping procedure, rather than any serious review.The lawsuit has continued, but not without some challenges -- one of the large ones being that the magician being sued, Gerard Dogge (aka Gerard Bakardy), has tried to pull a disappearing act to avoid getting served. And, it appears, he's been somewhat successful.
Defendant’s citizenship and current whereabouts are unknown, and have not been known since the commencement of the action. On April 30, 2012, plaintiff hired a private investigator to locate defendant in Belgium and serve defendant with the summons and complaint. Additionally, plaintiff retained a top Belgian law firm to properly effectuate service upon defendant. To date, defendant has evaded personal service and cannot be located in Belgium, Spain, or in any other country in Europe.Nice trick. Except... it didn't work. The court notes that Dogge is clearly "intimately knowledgeable of the details of this lawsuit," in part because he sued Teller in Belgium for defamation over the lawsuit. Oh yeah, even while trying to avoid getting served, Dogge has filed his own filings in the existing lawsuit, which is generally not a good way to suggest you don't know that the lawsuit is happening. Also not helping Dogge's case is that he appears to be... a bit wacky, based on his filings. For example, filed an undescribed bit of porn -- and then asked for it to be filed under seal. The court rejects this request, and also tells him: "Defendant shall not file any pornographic material with this court as a sealed exhibit or otherwise."
Oh, and then he asked for a jury made up entirely of magicians.
In general, it sounds like Dogge's "legal" arguments are somewhat close to nonsensical as well:
For example, defendant states “[m]agicians are like clowns, they only serve to entertain. Obviously stealing from each other is out of the question, and this has not happened here.”The court does reject one of Teller's motions, seeking to effectively bar the Belgian case from moving forward, even while saying that the lawsuit "has a vexatious flavor," but that's not enough to block it.
In the end, it's unfortunate that Dogge appears not to be handling the case particularly adeptly. There are some important copyright principles at stake here, and he seems to be treating it like a joke. I can understand why someone would choose not to respect copyright laws like that, but it means that a good chance to actually explore the legal issues is likely to be wasted or (worse) create a bad legal precedent.
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Filed Under: copyright, gerard bakardy, gerard dogge, magic, magic copyright, penn & teller, raymond teller, shadow, teller, trick
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What's wrong with that jury idea?
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Because it's not really practical. First, it's magicians, then it's middle-aged coffee shop owners, then it's weekend civil war reenactors, and so on.
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Should I ever be on trial, I demand a jury made out of my peers - a jury of people who got out of jury duty.
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I think a jury of magicians would likely be biased in favor of copyright overprotection.
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Personally I think they should settle this by performing the Penn and Teller "Bullet catch in the teeth" trick.
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But that might involve revealing the secret of the trick to people who are not members of the magic circle.
Teller should be trown out of said organisation for going to law instead of settling the dispute within the magic community.
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The court system is well-practiced in handling confidential information in situations like this. I think those mechnisms could apply here.
Regardless, the bit about not revealing the trick is hopelessly obsolete anyway. In the age of the internet, it's trivial to find the secret behind just about every trick ever done -- and after reading enough of those methods, you are equipped to make a very good guess for those few tricks that aren't explained.
The only people who don't know how tricks are done are those who don't care or who actively don't want to know (and most people fall into one of those two camps).
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Question:
For serving papers on a defendant to a suit in a US court does not the US government not have to have jurisdiction? Is it valid to serve papers of a US court case on someone that is not subject to US law? If said individual has no assets in the US and does not appear for the trial will the default judgement be honored outside the US by a foreign court?
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Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
Again? That trick is copyright'd.
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Meh. Tricks by performing monkeys.
So forget Teller's trick, kids. It's JUST a trick.
Let show where I think Mike is pulling a fast one; first he's shoe-horning this into his LEGAL fetish: "I can understand why someone would choose not to respect copyright laws like that, but it means that a good chance to actually explore the legal issues is likely to be wasted or (worse) create a bad legal precedent." -- But let that pass as I can regret the same about Bradley Manning. In my opinion, ALL court cases should go to a full jury trial, not least so state prosecutors don't get to bully in secret.
----- You may believe that I go off-topic from here.
In a prior piece Mike Masnick actually responded:
'You guys are so biased you've decided my positions despite clear statements that prove you wrong. You're blind to reality. You insist I'm a "pirate." I am not. I do not infringe. I do not celebrate infringement.'
Now THAT is a masterpiece of lawyerly NON-statement. It's firm on the surface yet equivocal all over. Mike hasn't been wasting his time hanging round courts and reading transcripts: he's got lying by forthright irelevance and by omission both down pat. I begin to suspect he's going for another degree.
He starts with sympathy ploy:
"You guys are so biased" -- Well, I know myself to not be, and the ambiguous sentences above only increase suspicion.
"despite clear statements". -- Big deal, statements! I'm looking at Mike's ACTIONS defending known infringer Kim Dotcom, and his insistence that links to infringing content are perfectly fine. Piracy goes on with Mike constantly oozing away from placing blame on infringers, though he DOES place it on those who created the content!
"You're blind to reality." -- Another assertion that's mixedly true: he may mean we don't know the full truth. Some people get off on the notion THEY know the secrets and others don't. That's particularly likely to come into a writer's mind in a piece about magic, ain't it?
'You insist I'm a "pirate."" -- Mike put the double quotes in. What's his definition of the term since it's not literal or the common slang def? What does he mean, then?
"I am not. [a "pirate"] -- May be true, depends on his def.
"I do not celebrate infringement." -- This is NOT same as OPPOSING it. Again use the Megaupload case as example. Far as I see Mike does everything he can to facilitate piracy and provide pseudo-intellectual justifications to excuse both pirates and file hosts. But could as easily mean Mike regards infringement like a necessary breaking of eggs to make an omelette, and similarly, he just doesn't want to get his hands dirty.
As that's one of the few times Mike SEEMS to state his position on "piracy", but not copyright, I guess you fanboys just take the surface impression as full truth. Well, I don't. Wish you'd learn to parse words as lawyers do, because Mike has actually said NOTHING in that apparent denial.
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up at same place!
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Why so many self-referring links here? Techdirt logic: old assertions prove new assertions.
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Re: Meh. Tricks by performing monkeys.
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You seem to read what you like into anything that is said.
Mike: I do not pirate Anything
OOTB: You must be a pirate because you do not agree with IP enforcement.
Mike: It is better to provide a easy to use service and convert pirates into paying customers
OOTB: You must be a pirate because you do not agree with IP enforcement.
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Re: Meh. Tricks by performing monkeys.
... and I get the impression you're biased against this Mike character.
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No, what you want to see and understand is a reality that agrees with you.
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You could've fooled me....
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T.
F.
U.
u r delusional, *not* smarter than everyone else...
blue-balled dickless wonder
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
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The next time Gene Simmons says something stupid about piracy, please lead into the article like this:
Chaim Witz, not in any way better known as Gene Klein and way better known as Gene Simmons...
Since it's soooo important.
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The Mad Magician
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047200/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
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Penn & Teller: Libertarians
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Wait so the USPTO now hands out copyrights??
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Teller wins
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/teller-wins-lawsuit-copied-magic-690347
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It would be one thing had Teller sued YouTube to remove the video the defendant had posted there. But suggesting a citizen of another country IN another country should comply with US Copyright law OR ELSE is ridiculous.
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