Irony Alert: John Steele Denies Uploading Anything Ever Despite Growing IP Evidence
from the irony-alert dept
Well, well. We recently wrote about a new filing in the Paul Oppold case in Florida, in which lawyer Graham Syfert presents very, very detailed and compelling evidence, as put together by Delvan Neville, that many of the films that Prenda sued people over were initially uploaded by John Steele. The folks over at The Pirate Bay added to this by presenting evidence that the sharkmp4 user who uploaded the works came from the very same IP address that Neville had found (among other evidence) in his findings. Basically, there's a ton of evidence that, at the very least, whoever controlled the Prenda Law domain name, also uploaded the torrent, ran a website "releasing" the movies, controlled John Steele's confirmed email account and commented on various blogs with clear insider knowledge of Prenda Law's actions.John Steele's response? Deny, deny, deny. Here's him talking to Ars Technica:
"I have never uploaded a torrent in my life, I have never instructed anyone to do so, and I am not aware of anyone I have worked with in any capacity whatsoever (other than pirates of course). I am not sure how much more unequivocal about it I can be. I have no involvement with any case in Florida, including Mr. Oppold's case. I have not read a single document in that case. I don't intend to. As far as Mr. Syfert, you will have to ask him why he is hiring experts to try to connect me to a case I have no involvement with."For what it's worth, Syfert didn't actually hire an expert to try to connect one to the other, but merely to investigate who did what. That a tremendous amount of evidence then poured out all pointing to John Steele is the result.
That said, here's the really ironic bit: In all of the John Steele cases of copyright trolling, in which he and his partners have been accusing people of copyright infringement and hacking computers, their "evidence" tends to be a single IP address involved in a single action, which they argue is enough information to accurately identify the person and the actions they did. Here, we not only have a single IP address, but a ton of additional information, including that identical IP address showing up in multiple places, while a variety of other evidence directly links Steele to the IP address, yet he insists it's not true. Fascinating.
One of our commenters put it all together in a single image.
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Filed Under: delvan neville, evidence, graham syfert, ip addresses, john steele, paul oppold
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Brings a smile to the face
Also, I note that he has no trouble clearly and flatly denying his involvement in an interview, wonder if he'd be so confident or vocal if it was in a court with the threat of perjury charges hanging over his head if he was found lying?
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How about we allow him to settle?
Otherwise, the findings will be forwarded to his family, neighbors, etc. detailing what kind of person he is.
After all, an IP address == a person and if it's his, well...
Karma. Gotta love her.
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Re: How about we allow him to settle?
You spake of Karma and it simply reminded me of Gandhi where he said "An eye for an eye makes the world blind". Karma is not about getting even, it's about doing good things to make you feel better about yourself. That's how it works.
And for the record....because John Steal is facing criminal charges and the defense properly filed for discovery in these situations, it only affects and exposes John Steele and his associates, not countless, nameless shmucks who did not pirate porn.
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Karma is causation and effect. He's clearly on the ass end of what he's been doling out.
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How do figure this? Where is he facing criminal charges?
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Poor John Steal
Steele and his law firm are long overdue to get what they deserve.
Thanks to a lot of hard work by real attorneys and appropriate experts, it seems the end of this saga is at hand.
With any luck at all, Steele's next residence will involve iron bars and nerve wracking showers.
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After all, he was responsible for practically everything else in this story...
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what is so sad as well is though, this sort of thing will continue. it will be another firm, another lawyer, another town but the extortion will be the same. why is it then that those that could correct any of this, could stop any repeats of this and worse situations from even beginning refuse to do nothing??
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There's a simple explanation for it all and Steele's innocence!
Oh and the emails for both the good and bad Steele going to the same place and Good Steele still not noticing? Umm... his evil side must possess his good side at times and make his good Steele forget things that bad Steele made him witness!
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Re: There's a simple explanation for it all and Steele's innocence!
He was dead all along!
Go ahead, sue me for infringement.
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Considering the reviews for Airbender and After Earth, I love to read the reviews for that heh
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I think you hit the nail on the head...
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What difference did that make with anyone else?
If it's his IP, under his control, then by Prenda logic (oxymoron, I know...), he's responsible.
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If he loses he's in a world of hurt.
If he wins, he discredits the IP address fallacy, and there goes the business model.
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If a judge does strike this down it's going to ruin the RIAA's food chain quite badly. Can't say I feel sorry for them.
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I wonder
http://ipadresa.net/whois/46.21.99/
The world wonders.
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I know Mullvad says they don't keep logs, but I wonder if, like the Hide* VPN, if they accidentally have logs hidden somewhere? But they really don't need logs either, just getting the payment information for Steele on Mullvad could give some good circumstantial evidence to link him to it.
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Consequences
I mean would all of their "legal" trolling turn into extortion rather than licensing/suing?
Would there be any ramifications for knowingly be the person who put it out there then be partners with the parties that filed suit?
Could people who have paid settlements recover funds?
I'm assuming based on their current actions they're already in line to lose licenses to practice law...
Am I getting a little too far ahead of myself or have I not even scratched the surface?
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The suspense of this drama/thriller is killing me. Plus my popcorn supply is running low...
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Any Court orders against them would also be revoked either by default or on a fresh appeal. Such people could also claim damages and costs.
They may even want to go as far as a class action lawsuit but in this case it should be easy enough to handle it themselves with a little Internet help including default template letters.
Best people strike early when John Steele and friends will soon be bankrupt.
Their bigger problem is RICO which could well land them in prison for many years. An IRS audit should hopefully track down all payments and hidden money.
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Sorry I'm trying to understand. Appreciate the help so far, but I'm leagalise illeterate.
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The problem is on seeding the torrents themselves this is a lie when the download/upload was not infringing. So letters are a lie and a fraud upon both the Court and on the subscribers and what they should go to prison for.
This only applies to these stated more recent torrents but more could be included later. So yes people could demand a refund on any settlement because they were lied to when they don't charge for what they are giving away.
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Thus all the "illegal" copies that Prenda forced people to make settlements for downloading would infact be "legal" copies that the people being threatened had permission to download.
It's the reason why it's not common practice for industries to create honeypots to catch downloaders.
In short, to give a real world example, it would pretty much be the equivalent of Prenda standing on a street corner handing out their DVDs to anyone that asked for one, then accusing anyone that accepted one of theft.
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More Irony
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It's like 10,000 spoons, when all you need is a knife!
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Incentives are too great...
This is just more incentive to abolish copyright and create more incentives for the public to make music and art instead of having to deal with greedy lawyers hellbent on making money illegally.
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Too bad that unequivocal denial is such an obvious lie. You can almost hear the panic seeping between the lines in his response like flop sweat.
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The location of that IP adress
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Here is my conjecture or guess as to what he could have done...
He hacked his broadband receiver to pick up on that box and forgot to change the name registration that said mobile broadband receiver that is tied to its MAC address...
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Try it. Go put in your own IP address and see where it thinks YOU are. It puts me about 18 miles away from where I actually live.
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From this, you get two bits of information: "hsd1" refers to a "high-speed data plan" and "mn" refers to Minnesota. It means this is NOT a mobile broadband connection and it will be traced back to a specific person, once Comcast gets a subpoena.
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Prison Awaits
Should the IP address turn up as owned by John Steele then it seems without doubt that he has been running a honey pot trap with the aid of his friends.
I pondered his response and what will he say open WIFI or hacked? But how can he say this when how could sharkmp4 the cause of these infringements have known John Steele's own IP address? The odds are rare.
Even if possible how could Prenda be aware of these new torrents and begin infringement tracking within minutes of an announcement?
I am quite sure people get convicted on less evidence than this where Prenda are known liars.
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All these Judge may do is to officially pass on the data to RICO to validate further.
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RICO is a law, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, which is usually charged by the US Attorney or an indictment from a grand jury and investigated by the FBI/DHS/IRS/etc.
I am just guessing here (as I have no personal knowledge of what the wheels of justice are doing here, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night,) but I am pretty sure that if a grand jury hasn't already started seeing this case, they will likely in the future.
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Principle should work both ways
I think there's even been court precedent, although I'm too lazy to look it up.
Without getting a hold of his computer, it would be tough to prove.
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I have to wonder if and when Gibbs will start talking. Time is about to run out Brett's career as a lawyer. He might as well break the whole attorney/client rules in an attempt to go down with the others.
Steele and the others could get nailed hard by the feds for RICO and the IRS for tax evasion. And if they did report their taxes properly, that would give the feds more ammo for a RICO case.
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Showing a pattern of the same IP over and over in different places and accessing private accounts registered to him does make it more likely the person behind the IP was Steele or someone in his employ.
Trolls have tried to overcome the hurdle of IP != person in various ways.
1 - They recorded multiple "hits" of the IP in a swarm for say a 10 minute period, then called each hit a separate infringement. Think of it as using the powerball multiplier effect, same alleged transaction but seeking cash each time they saw them. Still fails to establish who was at the keyboard or what machine was there.
2 - Malibu Media has filed into evidence a list of other copyrighted material they alleged was downloaded by the same IP. This material is not owned by MM or a client. The fact that bestiality titles were included on the list is purely by chance... which is why a Judge is moving towards sanctioning them.
The evidence here is not a single point. It is not a single transaction. It is a pattern of use that points directly at the responsible party. It goes less than was claimed in the Prenda "expert" declaration (the kid is 20 something and spent a majority of the report repeating debunked MPAA statistics. He never looked at the software used by 6881 (or whatever) but still claimed it would work that way from description.) You stand to be awarded $150,000 and your unwilling to spend more than $400 to attempt to get made whole from this horrible crime.
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So... either the nasty nasty sharkmp4 pirate knew where Steele was working/living and (REPEATEDLY!) used his connection to upload the torrents (unlikely and unnecessarily dangerous, given that sharkmp4 had access to a Mullvad VPN account) OR John Steele knew where sharkmp4 was living/working and decided to use his connection to access his GoDaddy account LOL (again, unlikely and unnecessary, given that John Steele had access to a Mullvad VPN account).
Any way you slice it, you come to the conclusion that (even if we give Steele the benefit of the doubt and assume that sharkmp4 and him are not the same person), sharkmp4 and Steele used the same internet connection. There's no need to assume that "IP address == person". So, according to Prenda's legal logic, at the VERY LEAST, Steele is negligent for not securing his internet connection.
The funniest part is that Steele could actually have avoided all of this, if only he kept using his Mullvad VPN account AT ALL TIMES. But, alas, he's a baby n00b.
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Mike Masnick's modus operandi? Accuse, accuse, accuse!!
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Why get the wind to get pee all over yourself when you can do it D.I.Y.?
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"Asshole porn troll lawyer arrested for mass extortion and fraud."
In other news OOTB was tragically raped to death by a pack of rabid mountain lions.
The perfect day!
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For the lions! Please think of the lions!
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So from the same mullvad vpn IP which was used by sharkmp4, comments like "we are suing the living shit out of people", and clearly identifiying as "Prenda" (second last comment).
It looks like Steele or whoever were just sloppy in starting up his VPN sometimes...
What I don't get, does the comcast IP belong to a broadband customer contract vs. an IP you get with a server? Can customer IP's be that static? If its customer, they seem to run naughti-hotties.com from that now since march.. It looks like they run an embedded web server there, are they serving that site from a router or something?!
Also who from Prenda is in Minneapolis, MN (the comcast IP)?
SJD & DTD, have you checked your comments for the other mullvad IP used by sharkmp4, 85.17.31.120 (and all the other ones from the godaddy account etc)?
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PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
23/tcp open telnet utelnetd
53/tcp open tcpwrapped
80/tcp open http GoAhead-Webs embedded httpd
And at the moment, all you get is a login page for Comcast Business Gateway...
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It has the the mullvad IP as the commenter's name, but comes from an AT&T IP apparently in Illinois(99.50.25.75). How the fuck does that makes any sense? Who knew about that mullvad IP back in March?
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If it happened half a year ago, I would feel really bad because I accidentally exposed a guy whose IP address could be in Prenda's database. Steele is know for his vindictiveness (see the most disgusting Steele's comment #4). Fortunately, today crooks can't do anything to anyone, they are busy digging to China.
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I did not visit the the naughty-hotties site before, so no idea how long it is in that state already.
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Because he sais so, seems to be the best he can do, certain that is all he should have to do. If John Steele told me water was wet, I would check for myself anyway.
The guy has narcissistic sociopath oozing out of him like stink on shit.
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Look behind the veil
(in my personal capacity, as opposed to my "professional" capacity)
(with my fingers crossed behind my back)
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"I work part-time with Livewire Holdings, one of the entities that Lutz owns. My role is on the business side. I acquire other adult content companies and deal with expanding the holding company. The main goal is to handle a lot of content and websites and to be involved in the adult space. For that, I'm paid a flat fee."
"Steele: Well, they have websites. I know the next question is going to be to list out the websites and so on, but you'll have to bear with me. I'm certainly not able to talk about the different entities... some of them are selling their content and collecting information on people that are stealing."
"Why would we make piracy easier? "Go here, not here—do this, not this?" Then the pirates know where to go. They also know what websites to hack. We had a website that just crashed, and we had to rebuild it. We're not going to do something to help piracy and hurt our company."
"I'd have to get OK from Mark Lutz to tell you the titles [of movies being sold]. And, I'd have to be sure those [movies] aren't being monitored by technical services [to check if they're being downloaded]."
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Are we having fun yet?
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Well your honor..
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I guess technically that might be true, but to refresh his memory he sued Mr. Cooper, his lawyer, FCT, DTD, SJD, DTD, myself and others in a defamation suit there. He filed Pro Se and then asked to attorney fees... in a state where he swore he wouldn't even pretend to play a lawyer on TV.
And this is why some of us hate most lawyers.
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It should not take as much time and effort as it did to raise awareness of what was happening, and some Judges are still hesitant to do anything when they think there is a problem.
Given everything that is currently happening in several courts, it should be obvious that several Judges passed the buck to have someone else deal with it and left a line up screwed over Does in their wake. It is better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent to spend a single day in jail.
I said most lawyers, not all. Those who have stepped up and are fighting the good fight are heroes.
Some stepping up now I still have issues with.
On the one hand I am grateful EFF stepped up for FCT and DTD, on the other hand their repeated refusal to speak up in the gay porn cases really ticked me off. It was only after there was media attention about what was happening that they dared put their hands on a gay porn based case... but they filed a few briefs here and there in str8 porn cases. Their list of defense lawyers was worthless, when the lawyer says you must have done it and should just settle... I know them so I can get you a better rate... how the f is that a defense? Shouldn't they at least ask if you did it first?
I've been in the trenches a little to long I think sometimes, and well hell it doesn't look like even if Pretenda goes supernova this crap is going to end anytime soon. There is going to be someone else posting a terrified post needing help to understand what the hell is happening to them.
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Steele's response is wrong
The person that this IP address is exactly who Prenda is looking for. Ending this persons illegal theft of IP should be a high priority for Prenda, for the defendants, and for all of us as well.
Who is this person at that address, and why doesn't Steele give a crap? They don't need to sue lots of downloaders when they can fine the uploader, and they can then find out how he consistently found the files for the same copyright owners. Clearly, this person has it in for the copyright owners, and it is all of our responsibility (just as it is for AF Holdings and Prenda Law), to find out who this is, and have them punished to the fullest extent of the law.
We are all behind John Steele and his friends at Prenda Law in this. We all want to know, don't we, Mr. Steele?
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So care to comment on the real story or do you have another little smokescreen to try and throw up?
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You guys claim that IP addresses are not accurate enough to prove who did anything. Stop trying to use them here to do just that, it makes you look two faced. If you accept that this information "damns" Steele, then why should it not be valid to prosecute other pirates?
Oh, the irony.
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The thing is... in this case, the information that ties Steele to this "sharkmp4" identity is a bit more than just an IP address. At the very least, John Steele and "sharkmp4" share an Internet connection, which is evidence enough to assume that there is collusion between Prenda and "sharkmp4".
Or are you really going to claim that whoever "sharkmp4" is, he managed to find where Steele lives/works and hijack his Internet connection for the purpose of uploading a torrent file to TPB (and, hence, expose himself in the process)? Yes, that totally sounds plausible, particularly given the fact that "sharkmp4" had access to a Mullvad VPN account (through which he also uploaded torrent files). /s
But congratulations on your lack of reading comprehension.
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there is a qualitative difference between a customer home IP being snapshotted in a torrent swarm and the same static business IP being logged serving (selling) content from a webserver, uploading the same content to pirate bay, and administrating the prendalaw domain name. It can be argued the latter is more compelling evidence (mainly because its a business contract IMHO, but also because the same IP was logged periodicaly over an extended timeframe and at different, but connected points).
Also see the discussion "Principle should work both ways" above.
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horse with no name really hates it when due process is enforced.
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He (John Steele ... ie. You) claims that there are minimal standards which link an IP address to a person. In this case, there is much more than minimal evidence, since it is ongoing and complex.
Then there is the issue I pointed out in that John Steele should be doing what Alan Cooper did; he should be getting a lawyer and going after whoever is using that IP address to steele (lol) the copyrighted materials of the clients of Prenda Law.
This should be a TOP priority for them.
So tell me, why isn't it? It isn't a DEFENSE, as you so poorly argue. It is a reason to go full force offense ... and yet Steele and Prenda claim it is "an attack on them" by the defense.
If they feel threatened by this, I have to ask why that is the case.
Why don't you?
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Here I explained it using little words so maybe you can understand why it is different.
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And thankfully Syfert has made it so. There is a lot of information regarding Prenda that is coming to light and a lot of connect the dots is being shown.
Steele is going to be in a mad panic as more light is cast upon Prenda and it's entities, we are all starting to see how they lead back to John "I don't have anything to do with that" Steele.
An amazing coincidence that Steele who always claims the Sgt Shultz defence "I know nothing...nothing" has all these different entities in his name, registered to him, domains in his name, registered to his email address but yet has nothing to do with any of it.
When John get's back from Fantasy Island, tell him reality is waiting for him, because if he honestly believes that people buy that he has nothing to do with any of this, then he is just delusional.
I cant wait for the Grand Jury investigating RICO to come about, the more evidence that comes to light the better those RCIO indictments are becoming a possibility of putting Steele behind bars.
Now I wonder how long it will be before someone starts a class action suit against all involved in Prenda Law over those settlements that were paid out
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If a Judge allowed them to proceed anonymously in the documents, I bet they would be lined up around the building.
The only problem I see is Pretenda's record keeping appears to be sloppy in general, so I doubt anyone could compile a full list.
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sharkmp4 TPB logs from Seyfert
Hansmeier is in Minnesota, both the IP above and the 75.72.88.156 are from Minneapolis, and wasnt Hansmeier the "tech" guy of the gang? Could it be Steele "merely" took on formal ownership of the domains/hosting, but Hansmeier was doing the dirty work? If so, how long will he keep his mouth shut...
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Btw, the timestamps of 50.77.50.222 in Grahams' log correspond with three torrents uploaded by sharkmp4.
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http://imgur.com/SgMHN9l
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Like so many others already said: the depth of evidence linking John Steele to the honeypot is _orders of magnitude_ beyond the "evidence" Prenda used to extort people allegedly engaging in copyright infringement.
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Now the very IP address scenario is proving just how "connected" Steele is too all of this. Live by the sword die by the sword eh John.
This should make the IRS Criminal Division investigators quite happy in providing further evidence that Prenda and the related people are all tied to one another in these schemes, ditto for the Grand Jury that is looking into RICO.
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"I would like to thank Mr. Neville for uncovering the mega-thief, the initial seeder of our client's copyrighted works. Your our hero, Delvan. Our team of lawyers is currently filing numerous lawsuits around the country... and motions for early discovery asking judges to subpoena ISPs in order to unmask the criminal who nearly destroyed our client's business. Mumbo Jumbo Chicken Gumbo!"
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THIS is how you do an IP investigation.
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http://i.imgur.com/RJSkZsF.jpg
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