Italy's Public Prosecutor 'Seizes' Giant Webmail Provider And Cloud Storage Provider, Because Copyright
from the such-is-the-internet dept
We've been highlighting how Italy's public prosecutor has suddenly decided that he gets to be the judge, jury and executioner of any websites he deems to be engaged in copyright infringement. Back in March he ordered dozens of websites to be censored based entirely on his say so. And now he's back with another big list, except this time it includes two very big names: Russian webmail/social networking giant mail.ru and Kim Dotcom's cloud storage provider Mega.nz. No matter what you might think of Kim Dotcom and Megaupload, Mega.nz was clearly set up to be quite different from Megaupload -- and the company is known for being quite responsive to takedown requests.As for mail.ru, it's owned by Russian oligarch Alisher Usmanov, who (not surprisingly) is a pal of Vladimir Putin. The company put out a statement in which it says it was not informed about any of this and only found out once its users in Italy started complaining. The company is not happy about the situation. "[Eyemoon Pictures] made no attempt to resolve the situation pretrial.... No notification of illegal content or requirements to remove copies of [Eyemoon's] films has been addressed to Mail.Ru Group from law enforcement agencies and Italy."
Fulvio Sarzana, an Italian lawyer who follows these things (and first alerted us to the news) is claiming that these sites have been "seized" by the Italian government. In this context, Sarzana explained via email, the government technically is "seizing" the site, but since they have no actual ability to do so, they order ISPs to block access to them.
The decision came after an Italian film distributor complained that two movies -- that have not yet been released in Italy -- could be found on these sites. But, they could just as easily discover that someone had uploaded such films to YouTube or Dropbox or Amazon's S3 or Gmail. Would the public prosecutor order all of those sites completely blocked with no adversarial hearing whatsoever? If prosecutors in Italy truly believe that these entire sites should be "seized" or blocked in Italy, why not take them to court and hold a trial? Why jump immediately to a complete shutdown of sites used by millions for perfectly legitimate activity, just because someone was able to find two infringing files? The chilling effects in Italy from this kind of activity should be massive. It would appear to make it absolutely impossible to build any kind of internet company that allows any form of user generated content, because on a whim, the government might seize everything.
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'Due process', another phrase that apparently doesn't translate well
While bad enough on it's own, combine that with the (thankfully currently rare) idea that copyright infringement should be treated as a criminal matter, rather than civil, with punishments to match, and you've got a seriously disturbing problem, and all to 'protect' digital goods from being copied.
I actually hope he does slip up and target Youtube and/or Gmail at some point, as I doubt anything but massive public backlash, and resulting political pressure, will be enough to reign in someone so clearly drunk with power and/or bought out.
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au contraire
Everything anyone does that may involve copyright, they do want a process to get paid or shut it down.
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Certainly happened. It's just that they are too mainstream and would generate too much backlash. We can't let the masses get too aware of our illegal tactics, no?
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Size and market penetration are the only things that set any of the little players apart from the big players, and it is precisely the reason why overzealous IP protectionism is damaging innovation: because innovation always comes from the challengers before it comes from the incumbents.
The big sites have a veneer of legitimacy ascribed to them simply by virtue of being household names. The little sites are always considered shifty and dangerous, and rightly so - they absolutely are dangerous to people who want to make money without competition arising.
Where people make a mistake is thinking that this is a moral issue rather than an economic one, and thinking that big companies being challenged by agile little upstarts is a bad thing. It's a great thing. God bless that thing, for it is called progress.
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There need to be a few more high profile instances of this
Hopefully with big names like Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, YouTube, etc.
Then, I think, we will see some real and serious reform.
The damage would be very real -- and that's the point. But the damage would be so great, and affect so many, and be so obvious, that there could no longer be any denial and all could see the bare naked truth that the copyright emperor has no rocket surgery.
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If the entire internet as a whole protests copyright... well, I don't know what would happen but it would be interesting to see.
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It would be that one user, somewhere, is accused of copyright infringement, and the entire big-name site is taken down as a result. (It would be icing on the pie if the accusation turned out to be actual fair use, or something public domain.)
Then I think we would see some REAL due process.
The copyright bullies just need to treat everyone big and small alike. Then the injustice of their attempts to impose liability on everyone not directly involved would be exposed for what it is.
They would have to go after actual copyright infringers. And prove it. (Not just an IP address.) It is the infringers who they should go after. But they would rather force other parties to police their IP for them.
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But, it occurs to me, that if the legacy entertainment industry keeps pushing against the tech sector as hard as they are, they could very well create, and die, to the monster they've imagined.
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'Irregardless, as someone who used to be a very anti-piracy/pro-copyright advocate I can attest that when you club me over the head, treat me poorly, and attempt to restrict my rights as well, in your efforts to combat this perceived wrong, you are eventually going to lose my active support.
When you club me over the head, treat me poorly, and attempt to further violate my rights in your efforts to combat this perceived wrong, because I am now not actively supporting you, eventually I will actively oppose you.
When you club me over the head, treat me poorly, and attempt to even further restrict my rights, in your attempt to combat this perceived wrong, because I am now actively opposing you, then I will eventually actively support those you are attempting to combat.
Simply because THEY are not trying to club me over the head, treat me poorly, or trying to restrict my rights at every given opportunity.'
-Loki
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120229/03324017910/who-cares-i f-piracy-is-wrong-if-stopping-it-is-impossible-innovating-provides-better-solutions.shtml#c895
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The other major factor is probably going to be lobbying against patent trolls, which could easily create a tech coalition in lobbying.
It's not at the personal level that Loki seemed to be talking about, but at an organizational level, where the legacy industries face a real risk of actually being destroyed, and not just in their bottom line takes an imaginary hit kind of way.
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They are playing a game they can not win.
It is impossible to stop people from sharing things they like.
But there is money to be made in the attempt, so someone will always sell them a new way that will totally work this time.
This is about getting headlines.
They are turning people who don't participate in piracy angry with them. They overreach trying to keep this narrative alive, and who cares about the little people who did nothing wrong that have to suffer. Corporations need action now!
The simple solution is and remains to make these things available at the price the market wants. The market doesn't care about all of the stupid rules the system created for windowing releases, & taking pennies at each and every turn that worked before there was a wire that let people share instantly.
Some people will still take it for free, but if you ignore them and focus on making your offering better you will be better off... you might even lure some of those people who took it for free into paying for it.
They ignore the people who pay them.
They indiscriminately screw people who have nothing to do with it.
They are totally focused on keeping control, even as it drives them out the market.
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SOMEONE PLEASE enlighten us!
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chilling effects in Italy
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If this trend continues as it is, expect to see the Cut/Copy/Paste feature being stripped from future versions of operating systems.
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Poor little europe
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investor-state dispute resolution
If it was both 1) successful and 2) the last time it was ever used, I, for one, would be most pleased.
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Oh, they were released in Italy all right, just not by said distributor :-)
Silly to try and use geographical release windows nowadays I should think...
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Over in the UK
"Households in the UK that persistently pirate music and movies online will receive letters warning them that their actions are illegal from next year.
The warnings are part of a new scheme brokered between internet service providers (ISPs) and the industry bodies representing content copyright holders to educate the public about online piracy.
From the beginning of 2015, up to four warnings will be sent annually to individuals suspected of online privacy, although if these warnings are ignored no further action will be taken."
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"In addition to the letters, the government has also pledged to contribute £3.5 million to a new educational campaign promoting legal ways to download music and movies.
Business secretary Vince Cable announced the scheme, saying: “It's a difficult industry to pin down and it's also difficult to protect. But unless you protect it then it's an industry that cannot function."
Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the British Phonographic Institution (BPI) said that although the letter-writing scheme lacked any clout it was still an important part of the industry’s efforts to preserve the £71bn it contributes to the UK’s economy.
"It's about persuading the persuadable, such as parents who do not know what is going on with their net connection," he said, adding “Vcap is not about denying access to the internet. It's about changing attitudes and raising awareness so people can make the right choice.”"
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/uk-pirates-will-get-four-warning -letters-a-year-9618818.html
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Where it gets problematic is when they adopt an 'ends justify the means' way of thinking, and/or don't care how many people they screw over in their bid for power, or what measures they take to retain that power. When power is the goal, rather than the means, then you've got troubles.
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yeah well...
This story really shows more than anything that local and country level laws are in a direct collision course with the internet, and so far the internet doesn't look good for the win.
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Actually they are doing a big favor to Google
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