NY DA Cy Vance Asks Law Enforcement About Problems With Encryption; Won't Take 'No Problems' For An Answer
from the click-'submit'-to-confirm-bias dept
Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance must be exhausted. Vance has been the New York face of the anti-encryption push -- a state-level James Comey with the NYPD as his backing band. He's held histrionic press conferences and issued editorials via The Paper of Record. He's also leveraging the web to muster his anti-encryption forces. As Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai reports for Motherboard, he's asking law enforcement officers to show him on the webform where the encrypted phone abused the investigation.
[T]he Manhattan District Attorney’s office quietly put out a questionnaire last fall using the online platform Survey Monkey. The survey was made with the goal of compiling “statistics on the national scope of the problem,” according to a district attorney’s spokesperson, who explained that it was created for the International Association of Chief of Police conference in Chicago.The survey contains a variety of questions that would receive interjections of "objection: leading" from opposing counsel. The SurveyMonkey form (which you can fill out for fun and noise here) assumes every responding law enforcement official/officer will have been stymied by an encrypted phone at some point. Answering "no" to a question like "Have you encountered a smartphone, or other device, that you have been unable to get into because of encryption?" doesn't end that particular line of questioning. Instead, the respondent is forced to answer an unskippable follow-up question, as pointed out by Franceschi-Bicchierai.
The survey didn’t get much attention, but it was spotted and tweeted out by Declan McCullagh, a former CNET reporter who now works on a news app called Recent News.
The spokesperson for Cy Vance's office declined to state whether the results of the survey would be made public or how the office "independently verifies" the law enforcement status of respondents. But Joan Vollero did object to Motherboard portraying the survey's release as "quiet," stating that it "posted publicly" on the office's website. It was apparently released in conjunction with Cy Vance's "white paper" on encryption, the one where he stated he wasn't calling for a ban on encryption before calling on lawmakers to prevent the sale and use of encrypted phones, possibly with some sort of a ban. However, this white paper + survey was not accompanied by a press release, so its release was stealthier than most.
Because respondents aren't given the option to talk about their lack of problems with encrypted phones, Vance will be able to compile plenty of data that agrees with his conclusions. The data may never be made public in raw form, but it will certainly be used at some point to support his arguments during future press conferences and Congressional testimony.
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This 'survey' wasn't about seeing whether or not encryption had presented a problem to police, it started with the assumption that it had, and went from there.
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FTFY
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Re: Listen UP CITIZEN!
I'M GOOD AT DEALING WITH PEOPLE!
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!
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Unless you need some exercise or shooting practice. They make excellent punching bags and targets.
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As long as the government wants "better" ability to catch bad guys, it is much more legit to ask for more data than to improve existing methods since improving existing methods would imply that previously they weren't perfect, which usually backfires onto the responsible politicians.
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Did My Part and Answered them all
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Request: a script to keep filling the form with spoofed ip addresses automatically.
Reward for fulfilling it: the warm feeling you are screwing an idiot that happens to be law enforcement.
Thank you.
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Even NOT asking certain questions can skew an outcome. Several years ago I received a customer satisfaction survey from one retailer. After filling it out I realized there was one glaring omission: this retailer asked zero questions about the interaction between customer and employee. I've received similar surveys from other retailers and all of them had questions about customer/employee interaction but this one didn't. The reality was (and still is) that for this particular retailer customer/employee interaction is minimal or lacking. The logical conclusion is that this retailer knows they're weak in this area and doesn't want to hear about it.
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... but in the expanded survey
> Yes
5. In what types of cases has your investigation been impeded by Apple's encryption practices? Please select...
> Other
5a. Other: Please explain...
> On no investigation involving Android devices has Apple provided the least bit of assistance in decryption.
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White Paper
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Cy Vance and doing the job
Detectives: "None. Because we do our jobs well."
Cy Vance: "It's doing your damn job to find me some encryption problems. Stop doing your investigative jobs so damned well."
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Covered by the 1st and 2nd amendments...!
"When math is outlawed, only outlaws will do math!"
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Re: Covered by the 1st and 2nd amendments...!
So we just need to get the NRA involved and they will make sure our 2nd amendment right to bear encryption is protected.
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It's not an error
This means that - when it's analysed - 100% of (ligitimate) respondants will report having had problems involving encryption!
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Cy Vance, please answer "yes" or "no"...
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5. What kind of bloviating tool is Cy Vance? Select all that apply. [This question requires an answer]
__ helpless
__ dickless
__ the kind that sodomizes livestock
__ one that is obsessed with the "backdoor"
__ one with better hair than Donald Trump but far less money
__ Other
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