Yes, You Read That Correctly: China Says It's OK For Members Of The Public To Record The Police
from the well,-look-at-that... dept
As Tim Cushing wrote a few months back, recording the police is a complex and contentious issue in the US. But what about in China? Given the increasing clampdown on the Internet world, it's pretty easy to guess that the Chinese authorities wouldn't take too kindly to members of the public trying to hold the police to account in this way. Easy to guess -- and yet wrong, according to this story in the South China Morning Post (SCMP):Chinese residents can now record the actions of police officers as long as it does not stop them from doing their job.The article provides a little background to this rather surprising news:
The move is expected to help keep police in check but there were no details on how it will be enforced.And this is why some of them clearly need to be controlled better:
Environmental scientist Lei, 29, died in police custody in May just 50 minutes after he was approached by plainclothes officers for an identification check in his neighbourhood.Although this move might be seen as the Chinese authorities giving new powers to the people against the police, it's probably better thought of as using the people to root out the bad apples of the kind mentioned in the SCMP piece. As such it's of a piece with President Xi Jinping's crackdown on corrupt officials who abuse their power, seen most recently in the sentence of the top Chinese general Guo Boxiong, who was jailed for life for taking bribes.
At first, police said he died of a heart attack, but an autopsy report this month said he died of suffocation from gastric fluid.
The public blamed his death on police handling, with two case officers arrested on suspicion of dereliction of duty.
In other words, while citizens use this new permission to aid Xi in his purge of unwanted elements in the system, they will be welcome to record the police as much as they like. However, if they start making life awkward for the authorities by passing around the "wrong" kind of recordings, we can probably expect this newfound power to be rescinded quite quickly.
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No unions to answer to
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Try to post the vid online ... that's a tazin'
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I'm sure you can take all the video you want of the "right" corrupt cops but as soon as you take a video of the "wrong" authorities you won't be around much longer. Keep in mind that this is a country that TO THIS DAY denies that it had troops now down thousands of protesters in Tiananmen Square.
Excuse me if the very idea of civil rights and police accountability in China makes me laugh.
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It's Fucking China...
go ahead, record those officers...
China has already Learned from America that it is perfectly fine & doable to have 3 sets of laws.
1. Set of laws to appease the public and make them feel like they have liberty or "Rights".
2. Set of laws completely negating #1 laws when the government "feels" like someone should not have any rights.
3. Set of "Secret" laws that citizens are required to Follow but are not "Allowed" to know or challenge!
America is proving to be a less direct but more insidious form of villainy than Germany ever threatened the world with and China, Russia, and many other "Governments" have more than caught on to the American Government's game. What's even worse? The only thing they have really said about it is... "Welcome to the dark side!"
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That's less spectacular than it sounds.
If you are recording covertly, the regulation cannot be made to stick. And if you are recording openly, chances are that police recordings will be enough to identify you.
So what you can do reasonably safely is report the authorities to the authorities.
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Yikes
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Yay, China
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Why is filming police contentious?
I mean, we've got alll kinds of rules about being in a "public place" when it comes to police "not searching" someone - like aren't pockets a "public place" in the search context? Your house is a "public place" for police to snoop through the windows if you don't have light-tight curtains sealed over all windows. And surveillance cam's legality depends on the "no expectation of privacy" thing about being in a "public place".
Why do police get a pass on this multitude of rules? It's almost as if equal under the law doesn't apply to police, like they get quite a few more rights, including a legal belief that they're acting under good intentions, which the rest of the people just don't get. At the very least this has the whiff of "police state" about it.
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Keep in mind...
When government oppression gets out of hand, because there are no controls, the result is severe civil unrest. Politicians "persuade" people to sell their property for a new development (that makes the politicians and their cronies tons of money). People object but can't express themselves. Result - riots police stations burned down, people killed. Politicians have learned that attracting the attention of the central government with this sort of incident earns them a bullet in the back of the head, live in the soccer stadium.
There was a series of news photos posted a few years ago of a bunch of thugs (i.e. plain-clothes police) who assaulted the wrong person, killed him, and before the regular cops could arrive, half a dozen or more of them were surrounded by a crowd, beaten to death, and their vehicles trashed.
The central government is looking for whatever means it can find to keep a lid on unrest. If police realize viral videos mean that they get the state police special treatment themselves for misbehaviour, maybe that will restrain them.
Meanwhile in the USA, the police can beat the crap out of someone, live on camera, or even shoot them or choke them - and nothing really happens.
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Re: Keep in mind...
Being conservative should not mean accepting thuggish behaviour from law enforcement officials as a matter of course. They're supposed to uphold the law, not to punish people for breaking it; that's the court's job.
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Do I dislike this policy? Heavens no! I agree with it 100%. Do I believe china is merely altruistic in this gesture? F*K no, this is all part of their planned social culture, as mentioned in another comment as a way to give an illusion of power to the populus, gain free accountability on police activity without government spending, and avoid the sort of police brutality that leads to revolt. You know, the sort US officers are veering ever nearer.
And I can't help but laugh... every time I picture Chinese diplomats at the UN saying in a loud voice "Of COURSE we allow our citizens to film our police force. We have nothing to hide! We are dictators, not monsters." and picturing the US diplomats cringing horribly.
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also, as long as you don't challenge party's ruling you will be fine.
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Police across the US are disappointed in China now.
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