NY State Senators Say We've Got Too Much Free Speech; Introduce Bill To Fix That
from the i-find-this-offensive dept
We've been pointing out a variety of attempts to push back on the First Amendment lately. One fertile ground for such attacks are local politicians carrying the "cyberbullying" banner, in various attempts to magically outlaw being a "jerk" online, usually by making it illegal to offend someone online. Of course, making someone's action illegal based on how someone else feels about it is all kinds of crazy. It also would seem to violate the very principles of the First Amendment, which bar Congress (and local governments) from passing any laws that take away one's right to free speech.In the past, lawmakers pushing these laws have tended to simply ignore the First Amendment issue, and focus on screaming "protect the children!" as loudly as possible (never mind the fact that kids seem much less concerned about "bullying" than all these adults seem to think). However, it appears that some state Senators in NY are trying a new line of attack: going directly after the First Amendment and suggesting that current interpretations are way too broad, and it's not really meant to protect any sort of free speech right. In fact, it sounds as though they're trying to redefine the right to free speech into a privilege that can be taken away. Seriously:
Proponents of a more refined First Amendment argue that this freedom should be treated not as a right but as a privilege — a special entitlement granted by the state on a conditional basis that can be revoked if it is ever abused or maltreated.Yes, that totally flips the First Amendment on its head. It is not a "more refined First Amendment." It's the anti-First Amendment. It suggests, by its very nature, that the government possesses the right to grant the "privilege" of free speech to citizens... and thus the right to revoke it. That's an astonishingly dangerous path, and one that should not be taken seriously. Of course, given their right to speak freely, state senators Jeff Klein, Diane Savino, David Carlucci and David Valesky have every right to put forth that argument -- but similarly, it allows others to point out their rather scary beliefs.
If you'd like to see the full report (pdf), I warn you that it is almost entirely written IN ALL CAPS (for no clear reason, there are a few chunks that revert to normal capitalization -- including a big chunk in the middle, that starts mid-section). I have no idea why so much of the paper is in ALL CAPS, but I'm kind of offended by it. Can we please remove their "privilege" to put out such things until they've learned to not maltreat capital letters?
The paper attempts to list out various examples of types of cyberstalking and cyberbullying -- some of which seem pretty ridiculous:
LEAVING IMPROPER MESSAGES ON ONLINE MESSAGE BOARDS OR SENDING HURTFUL AND DAMAGING MESSAGES TO OTHERS;"Improper"? Seem a little broad to you? Does that mean the next person who comments here about something off-topic is a cyberbully?
“FLAMING” (HURTFUL, CRUEL, AND OFTENTIMES INTIMIDATING MESSAGES INTENDED TO INFLAME, INSIGHT, OR ENRAGE);Whoo boy. An awful lot of you in the comments better watch out...
“HAPPY SLAPPING” (RECORDING PHYSICAL ASSAULTS ON MOBILE PHONES OR DIGITAL CAMERAS, THEN DISTRIBUTING THEM TO OTHERS);Holy crap. 2005 wants its silly "crazy children" meme back. Yes, there were a few instances of this extremely brief "fad" that came and went in like a month half a decade ago. Then the next internet meme came along.
"TROLLING” (DELIBERATELY AND DECEITFULLY POSTING INFORMATION TO ENTICE GENUINELY HELPFUL PEOPLE TO RESPOND (OFTEN EMOTIONALLY), OFTEN DONE TO PROVOKE OTHERS);Ooh, once again. Commenters beware.
EXCLUSION (INTENTIONALLY AND CRUELLY EXCLUDING SOMEONE FROM AN ONLINE GROUP).Seriously? If we don't let you into the club, it's now a form of cyberbullying? It makes you wonder what happened to these particular Senators when they were kids.
The paper also attacks "anonymity," again ignoring how anonymity can often be extremely helpful to kids who wish to discuss things and ask questions without revealing who they are.
As for where they're going with this? Well, you guessed it: they're planning to introduce new laws to deal with cyberbullying (even though NY already has such a law). The plan is to extend two existing areas of law: "stalking in the third degree" will now include cyberbullying, and "manslaughter in the second degree" will be expanded to "include the emerging problem of bullycide."
This is basically a "Lori Drew" law. And it's ridiculous. If I say something to someone and they then go commit suicide, should I be guilty of manslaughter? Do the folks behind this not realize that this doesn't help prevent suicides, but it encourages them in giving people who are upset by something someone said extra incentive to kill themselves to "get back" at the person who was mean to them.
The cyberstalking part is no less ridiculous. It's ridiculously broad. It does not require that the person accused of cyberstalking initiate the activity, it does not require intent to harm or frighten, and a single message can be a cause of action. Think about that for a second. Someone could send you a message, you could do a single reply with no ill will or bad intent... and be guilty of the crime of cyberstalking. Damn. Do the folks writing this bill not realize how widely this will be abused?
Hopefully no one is so offended in reading such a dangerous proposal that they go out and commit suicide. At least be comforted in knowing that it won't allow for the authors to be accused of manslaughter until after the bill passes.
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Filed Under: cyberbulling, cyberstalking, david carlucci, david valesky, diane savino, first amendment, free speech, jeff klein, new york
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Trolling
In fact, I'm offended by the whole document. It should be burned because of the way I feel. We should protect all of the children that are trolls. They obviously hate all children since they will all offend someone at some point.
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Stay classy, New York.
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Another law that is in breach of itself - it certainly enrages me.
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Mike - you'll need to stop the "insightful comments"
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Quite right, "insight" is a homophone (and a noun). The correct word is "incite".
Nice catch.
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"Between 1990 and 2009, the national violent-crime rate was halved, while property crime dropped to 60 percent of its previous rate, according to the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data. But almost every year since 1989, most Americans have told pollsters they believe crime is getting worse."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2011/02/head_case.html
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It's easier than having to identify and punish the actual offenders.
As for the media's role, the public shares the blame on that score. What we now call TV news -- where most people get their 'news' -- was once set apart from entertainment and could pursue actual reportage. Now it is lumped into the same cost center and must meet ratings targets or people lose jobs.
So, local news' long-time mantra of "if it bleeds, it leads" is joined to "give the people what they want" and these tandem mindsets feed the public perception of an ever-more dangerous world even as crime rates fall.
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Shades of 1984, with a dash of Sugar...
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Next person who gets the insightful post of the week spends the following week at Gitmo. This is exactly why we cannot have insightful posts...they incite people to learn. +1 for removal of the insightful buttons, they only incite people to be insightful!
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Response to: Mike Shore on Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 9:42am
"NO FREE SPEECH FOR YOU!"
Please prepare your pamphlet printer for government confiscation.
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Response to: Mike Shore on Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 9:42am
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~RON PAUL 2012!
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If by some chance it DOES in fact make it through and is not challenged and declared unconstitutional, I will then push to have the 2nd and 19th Amendments declared a Privilege that can be denied.
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NY already does declare the 2nd amendment a privilege- if your from out of state (no way your allowed to carry a firearm for personal protection), if your from inside the state as a resident you can ask and often be denied a permit (permission slip from the government) to own a handgun. yes. you need permission to purchase a handgun before your allowed to buy a handgun in NY. and if your 5 year permission slip expires the police will come and demand your handgun from you.
it's reality of living in a place that doesn't respect individual freedoms. so this limiting the 1st amendment isn't really a stretch.
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Response to: Nathan F on Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 9:45am
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More refined bill of rights
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Sick of Socialists
Socialist Dems want us to under their thumb with Socialized Risk/Debt and now want to tell us when, where and how we can speak. Sickening.
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This is pure and simple attempting to claw back rights under the guise of protecting people. This is not right or left. It's just controlling gov't.
Politics is not uni-dimensional. Here's a solid analogue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mstOk3u2KY&feature=related
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Socialism is a form of collectivized economy where the gov't redistributes wealth. It is conceptually unrelated to gov't restriction on speech.
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The economics of the "Public/Private Investment" promotions I hear daily are the beginning of Socialist policies following in the foot steps of Fannie/Freddie, and boy, that turned out well…
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dictators who used the principles of socialism to trick people into supporting the birth of their dictatorship do not represent the ideals of socialism. The fact that once their power was established they quickly threw out all the pillars of socialism that would not help them maintain rigid control should be your first clue.
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As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from Socialist Reformism, Evolutionary Socialism to Revolutionary Socialism.
Losers…
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I does have a lot to do with the education system in our country, though.
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"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we've got to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." ~ Stephen Colbert
Please troll elsewhere.
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-r ecording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml
Ironically, the 1st Amendment prevents govt from creating religious laws, so your argument is personal, not about the fundamental attempts to usurp our rights.
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http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Senate-Democrats-in-revolt-938613.php
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BOTH sides are NUTS! This is why I am an independent.
We can easily go back and forth quoting crazy people.
How about some sanity for a change?
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Atheist right-winger here.
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At one time, I identified myself as a conservative. Then, the US took 5 steps to the right. I'm hanging out in the middle now, and that scares me.
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Wow, seriously? You think this is strictly a Dem-partisan issue? What rock have you been hiding under? Did you miss the ENTIRE Bush II administration? Rumsfeld? Cheney? Patriot Act? Hello? Anyone with a brain in there somewhere? Bueller?
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Whenever anyone tries to change SS, Medicare, Medicaid & Immigration, the Dems step in and vilify the person. Union backed Obama and Dems have not even Tried to change immigration, where is their bill? GOP had the balls to at least TRY by putting a bill out there, but Union Socialistic controlled Dems won't even try.
Bush also tried to Privatize SS, like Chile's system that's been copied in 30 countries including Australia and Sweden, but the Dems, Media and GOP hammered him for trying. The Socialized Risk/Debt of Medicare, SS and Fannie Mae (Public/Private Partnership) are going to devour the US from the inside out, but the Dems won't let anyone touch these programs.
Obama has changed nothing that Bush put into place, if anything he has pushed for More Control.
Once Again, The Justice Department Fails To Tell Congress About Its Wiretapping Activities, As Required By Law
Senator Schumer Wants To Censor Google & Apple; Displays Ignorance Of Law
Justice Department Says It Should Be Able To Require People To Decrypt Their Computers
DOJ Uses Congressional Hearings About Protecting Mobile Privacy To Suggest Mobile Users Deserve Less Privacy
Administration Bangs The Drum In Support Of Needless Protectionism On World IP Day
Homeland Security Won't Even Admit Whether Or Not It Seized Mooo.com, Taking Down 84,000 Innocent Sites
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complain about the bad actions when your argument is so loaded with partisan bias and generalized hatred it makes it hard for people to see that the point really does matter and not get all bent out of shape about "left is better is goes on first and makes the country clean!," "NO right is better it makes the country shiny and smooth!"
http://www.patchworknation.org/content/does-increasing-taxes-on-the-wealthy-hurt-%E2%80% 9Cjob-creators%E2%80%9D
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YES, Bushies are NWO Progressives, who implement Big Government domination of individual rights.
Now deal with the present time problem: Freedom as protected by the Constitution (and your blood)or Total Government Control of your personal life.
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Lets start the chant..
USA..USA..USA..USA
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Even if what was proposed would do anything about 'cyberbullying'/'cyberstalking', how would it possibly be enforceable on a practical level?
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Mindboggled
The only way to beat the problem of bullying is education (in the sense of teaching children to be caring and understanding to their fellow man/woman) and creating an enviroment that fosters such behaviour.
But I don't think they will ever think of doing that, because it is hard and takes a lot of effort. Merely making something illegal is easy and then they can stick their fingers in their ears and say that they have dealt with the problem.
The thing that scares me most is that I can't decide if all these stories paints a picture of someone maliciously and with intent trying to remove all our rights, or if they sincerely don't understand what they are doing.
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We can liken the law not working concept to drugs, weapons smuggling, illegal immigration (world wide), murder, etc.
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ASSumed HATredS
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Then pass a law requiring parents to be just that, parents.
If your kid and another kid are fighting online, maybe call the other kids parent and try to get to the bottom of it.
Don't assume your precious snowflake has done NOTHING that might have lead to the issue, listen to both sides and work something out.
If you can't work something out, here is a huge idea... delete your kids facebook. They often find it less fun making fun of you if they can't get you to respond.
If it has moved into the realm of being physical, then you get the authority involved, be it the school or then the police.
But this requires a parent to actually do their job as a parent, spend more then 30 seconds to see if your kid is having problems, do not assume the TV, School, or the Government is going to give your kids the tools to fix the problem.
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Peoples needs protections
Adults shall buy, support, re size (after weight gain) and upgrade protective cocoons for themselves to protect against communists, dangerous spectator sporting events (any sport where there is more than one minor cut per decade for the players, not the fans), Internet trolls, and speeding automobiles.
The cocoons shall be designed by first year political science majors (better if they have an interest in pre-law as a second major, or marketing) and built by cheapest bid in materials and production under government contract. All rights, patents, copyrights, and trademarks etc. shall be donated to the top 10 corporate giants in perpetuity with an annual increase in annual license fees that is equal to or greater than 2.59286 (a number made up by randomly striking the keyboard) times the peak monthly rate of inflation from the previous 12 months. The increase factor may change with appropriate donations to the ruling majority party.
Insurance companies are given the right to establish required health/life/car/home/flood/other acts of god/mortgage/identity theft/unemployment/other financial protections/negligence/etc. policies that indemnify the insurance company from any harm (or payout), so that while the insurance payments must continue for the life of the individual from birth to plus 70 years after death, there may never be a payable claim against the policy. Due to the simplicity of this system, insurance companies find a 90% efficiency improvement (no more claims or sales agents or lawyers, or actuaries, just collection agents who tell the police whom to arrest), lowering costs so that they may be one of the top ten corporations.
Travel shall be restricted to visiting Grandmother on designated holidays (to include every patriotic opportunity and one each holiday for each registered religion) via the most inconvenient, yet safest mode. The bunching up of travel will give Homeland Security the opportunity to be lax, except during the travel peaks, where MRI's and Interior Cavity searches will be required for all passengers before you enter your car, which is then sealed until you reach the transport hub, and again before you board your mass transit. This opportunity lets Homeland know when the terrorist will attack, and regrets any delays because 300 million people are a lot to check all at one time.
Playgrounds shall be constructed entirely from Nerf material and shall not exceed the knee height of the mean child that uses that playgrounds knee height. Knee heights shall be measured monthly, and appropriate adjustments to the playground made on a timely basis (48 hours after the issuance of the new median) with tolerances in the tenths of a millimeter. Noise canceling equipment shall be installed at all playgrounds as the noise level may be harmful to other children.
I am sure I missed something that might harm the children people. So, in order for this law to be comprehensive, statistics shall be kept of all cuts, scrapes, boo boo's, nose bleeds, hangnails, and visits to the emergency room by anyone. New threats shall be identified by the Organization Regaling the Guarantee of Essential Security (ORGRES'®). Newly identified threats shall be encoded into law within a reasonable time from such identification (reasonable being one week to write the law, and one week to pass the house, one week to pass the senate, and one week for the president to sign it (or within a month) upon pain of loss of all corporate contributions.
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You have the right to free speech
As long as you're not
Dumb enough to actually try it.
Know your rights.
These are your rights."
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Trolling?
How can they distinguish trolling from a sincere question, since a truly masterful troll will ask in a way indistinguishable from a truly sincere question?
(This is a sincere question.)
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Personally I have shifted all the money in my IRA to the magic wand industry, i think they have quite a boom ahead of them
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
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The scary part is that I can see this getting approved and I wouldn't be too surprised.
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Probe Confirms NYC Public School Fraud; Employees Paid 10 TIMES Less Than the City Was Billed. http://bit.ly/rludpL
Irony at its finest slapping some reality on me ;)
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I guess we need to subpoena Mike or something to get their IPs. How does that work? Where's the subpoena key...
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I guess we need to subpoena Mike or something to get their IPs. How does that work? Where's the subpoena key...
Sorry to disappoint you shitbag. I am certainly one who is consistently labelled "troll" for beating you apologists over the head with reason. I am pro-first amendment and like pointing out that writers, publishers, filmmakers etc have been jailed and beaten for exercising their first amendment rights for generations. On the other hand, you freeloaders commitment to the first amendment is as much about free content as free speech. In any event, the NY Senate is out of their fucking minds and it's apparent to everyone.
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Think of the children! Or, in your case, don't, since you're probably a pedo.
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Sounds like you've been illegally downloading too much porn you sick fuck.
Think of the children! Or, in your case, don't, since you're probably a pedo.
It's likely when you are jailed for illegally downloading, that you will rank somewhat below a child molester in the prison hierarchy and will reap the benefits accordingly. With Smith, Swartz and others on the way and with more ICE crackdowns coming, at least you'll have company.
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LOL! You really are that delusional, aren't you? That you think the hardened cons in prison are going to view downloading a song with the same contempt as kiddie-diddlers.
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Elected?
What time does the movie start? Can I bring my own popcorn? Are there going to be fireworks first?
I think, given today's communications capabilities, that we start to entertain (demand?) we be allowed to vote on everything.. Fuck Congress.. they're doing a shit job. And there's no way in hell a bunch of full health coverage having, high wage earners are representing the majority of Americans.
This whole online free speech assault.. I don't like it, not one bit I don't. Fuck industry. They can eat a dick.
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Time to arrest those Senators for Treason
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What part of "Congress may pass no law" is difficult to understand?
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Sorry - "Congress shall make no law"
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What part of "Congress may pass no law" is difficult to understand?
It's the NY State Senate. Is that so difficult to understand?
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The paragraph preceeding the above and the subsequent paragraphs should have also been provided since they would show that the above quotation is taken out of context.
The preceeding paragraph speaks to the classical and overwhelmingly prevailing view of the First Amendment, i.e., that it is a right secured to the people by the constitution, and not a privilege dispensed by either the federal or state governments.
The paragraph you selected is stated to reflect the philosophy of John Stuart Mill, a philosophy that is outside of longstanding First Amendment jurisprudence.
The subsequent paragraph(s) then speaks to general principles of US law, and does correctly note that the First Amendment is not an absolute.
This would have provided context, which at this point in time is missing from the post.
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"no" combined with "abridging" seem absolute to me. When they take the oath of office the elected Representatives must swear by the current oath of office, enacted in 1884:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. "
"support and defend" does NOT mean modify to align with current Socialist ideologies. To suggest that the Right of free speech is a "privilege" that can be handed out at the whims of some elitist "thinkers" is to be a domestic enemy to the Constitution, one who has mental reservations or is being evasive. Those politicians should be recalled from office and tried for treason.
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Proponents of more refined legislation argue that this power should be treated not as a right but as a privilege — a special entitlement granted by the people on a conditional basis that can be revoked if it is ever abused or maltreated.
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Legalizing Police BS
Given that this is TechDirt, I'm surprised no one has said this yet, so I will: this will essentially legalize the BS about people not being able to record police activities. RRRRRRGHHHHHHH!
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Block feature? What is that?
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How do these tools get elected anyway? I mean - WHY would even a corporation pay to get some of these clueless morons elected?
And how's that for free speech?
Go ahead and try to take away free speech ass-hats, it doesn't mean I have to pay one bit of attention to what you say. I'm free, and that's that. I am entitled to free speech by the constitution of this country and your piddly-little laws will not change that.
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Incision
I find the report quite "inciteful", because we wouldn't want anyone to "insight" anything now would we?
I just wonder if the author ever passed 9th-grade English. But I guess it's good to know that the educationally-challenged can rise to such a high office.
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I am sure that most here never had our back, so why should we have any of your backs? Oh, and this gets worse. Eventually, more of our rights will be taken away, or severely reduced. So, I just want you to remember this. I know that it hurts losing your rights, but many of us have been dealing with that for years.
You see, once the various governments started raping the Second Amendment, it left nothing for people to fight for their other rights with. That isn't to mean that we have to engage in an armed rebellion; it just means that there is nothing left for government to fear.
Checks and balances: It use to work.
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The Second Amendment covers the right to "...keep and bear arms...", not just the right to purchase a shotgun from Walmart.
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The second amendment is nothing but an old relic that makes it possible for people that shouldn't have firearms to get hold of them. There is a marked correlation between the availability of firearms and the number of gun related deaths. In fact the only countries that have more gun related deaths than the US is South Africa, Colombia, Thailand and Guatemala. And two of those are in a constant state of war!
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To be fair, I'm having difficulty digging up a link right this moment, but generally where the 2nd Amendment is least limited is where violent crime tends to be lower.
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That is currently my favorite reason that people give for not caring about free speech. I hear it a lot. It's "sour grapes" for contrarians.
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Legal trickery
What you will see, though, is when someone is dragged into court for some other reason, and somewhere in the course of their action they touched a computer, then these charges get trotted out as a form of prosecutorial piling on, in the hopes that the accused will cop to a lesser (but still trumped-up) charge.
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Privileges
If I go to NY do they give me a license to speak when I cross the boarder?
Will there be a test?
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V for Vendetta
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Insight
> INTIMIDATING MESSAGES INTENDED TO INFLAME,
> INSIGHT, OR ENRAGE)
Does New York really plan on criminalizing any comment that leads to 'insight'?
Or maybe they meant 'incite' and just aren't bright enough to be writing laws that affect our lives...
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OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS
The overuse of strange capitalization?
The obvious typo which gives a completely opposite meaning?
The inflammatory subject?
Whoever wrote that is obviously a troll. And you all fell for it.
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What group do you want to join?
Now I am pretty sure that there are a few forums inside the senate that hold some nice juicy gossip. If they are intentionally stopping me from joining these groups (by not letting me join or even not letting me know how to join), then they are breaking there own rules - flog the lot of 'em I say
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rights or privileges?
Declaration: ". . . that to preserve these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the just consent of the governed. . ."
Preamble: "We, the people . . . ordain and establish this Constitution for the government . . ."
In both cases, the view is that rights are inherent in our condition as human beings, and that power flow from the people to the government as a device for protecting these rights. There is no notion whatsoever of rights as something bestowed on the people by the government. Rather, it is power that is bestowed on the government by the people and may be taken away at any time.
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Don't Tread On Me
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So...
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Canada Human Rights Commission redux
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Danger
Raped when flying.
Protesting only allowed where you can't be seen.
Locked up for years without getting a trial.
Government/CIA introduce secret evidence not even the judge can see at your trial.
Cops get a slap on the wrist every day for physically abusing people.
Copyright infringement is a crime.
Torture authorized.
Killing people without a trial is legal.
The Constitution can be ignored by the government at will.
Criminal wars.
There are problems everywhere, but in many places problems aren't that bad. The USA are a tyranny and Americans would do well to stand up against this ASAP. The longer they wait, the harder the fight will be.
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oh deah
I support the peaceful protests but what will bring reality to a head will be when everyone gets to colloborate on a new document that will hopefully lead to a sensible and common sence way forward. It's important not to "hate the rich" "hate politicians" or hate any group. I do hope some common good happens from all of this
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tar and feathers
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Rick Seidel
To My Teacher Dr. Rick Seidel
The first day of General Biology (GB) second semester. We all crowded into the Hickman 114 amphitheatre, anxious not only because the hard work was starting all over again but also because we had a new teacher. As he stood in front of our class, the overstuffed classroom tried to predict how this GB would compare with last semester. But before we had time to decide, the lecture notes and syllabus had been passed out. That day we set a record—we covered the syllabus and an entire 40+ page chapter in our book in the fifty minute class period. Our new teacher meant business. When we arrived back at the classroom the next day, I was surprised to see that our class fit more comfortably into the room. My teacher didn’t give me long to think about it though; I forgot everything else as we dove into another chapter of our book.
He loved teaching, my teacher.
Amidst the no-nonsense lectures, our teacher found ways to make us smile. He found a way to use the words “fauna” and “flora” in respect to the mammalian body at least twice every class period. His lectures were also punctuated with fun facts about everyday aspects of life, like how some places here in TN take the dead Christmas trees and tie them to the docks to provide homes for the little fish in the rivers or lakes. And in between the unique words and fun facts, no one ever questioned how much our teacher understood about any of our material. This might be his first time teaching GB, but he was more than prepared. Because my teacher was so revered, his praise was coveted. When we had our first lab of the semester, I desperately wanted to do well. The tricky fetal pig dissection made me think back to the one frog I had dissected in my sophomore year of high school. Carefully, my two lab partners and I cut through the skin and muscle, exposing the organs beneath. As our teacher walked around the room, he paused at each lab bench and evaluated each group’s work. When it was my team’s turn, he smiled at us. “Good work,” he said. The long lab suddenly had become worth it; we had done well. Elated, my group cleaned up the lab.
He held his students’ deepest respect, my teacher.
Our teacher centered our class on proving and knowing God. He started every class period with a word of prayer, and as we went through the chapters, our teacher pointed out the complexity of the systems within mammals’ bodies. There was no contest between Creation and evolution in his class. And during many of our lectures, my teacher would tell us simple stories about the family he loved dearly. He loved to spend time with them out in nature. Our teacher was confident in God, and he considered himself blessed.
He had a personal relationship with our Creator, my teacher.
And it is with the heaviest heart that I start to comprehend that my teacher Dr. Rick Seidel passed away this weekend. His death has left all of his students shocked; he was just in class on Wednesday. We had a teacher sub for our class on Friday because they said he wasn’t feeling well, and so we reviewed for our upcoming test without him. Now he is gone, and I can’t begin to understand why.
Dr. Rick Seidel will be greatly missed in Southern Adventist University’s Biology department, especially by his students. But in my pain, I find hope knowing that my teacher will one day be united with his first General Biology class. And on that day, he can finish teaching our lecture on neurons in the brain with more clarity than he ever had here on this earth. I know that I, like his family, friends, colleges, and students, am counting down the days until Jesus comes to heal this world of this unexpected pain and heartache and reunites us all in His kingdom with no more pain and no more sorrow.
Please keep his family and friends, his colleagues and students, and Southern Adventist University in your prayers.
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Fuck Ny
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Who supports this?
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Hmm... exclusion is a form a bullying? Wow. I guess we've all been bullied by the Skull and Bones society... the Free Masons... how many other 'Secret Societies of the Social Elite' that so many politicians belong to that we can call on this one, huh? Glass houses, people.... Glass houses!
(By the way, I'm Anonymous because I don't want to "belong"... Buck the system!)
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Trolling to be excluded from first amendment protection
Seriously, trolling isnt even all that bad that it really needs to be made illegal in the first place
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The best quote
I couldn't stop laughing!
-R
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"TaCktiX, Oct 4th, 2011 @ 11:22pm
Actually, research shows that where gun laws are least draconian there is a corresponding drop in violent crime, particularly gun-related. It's in "lockdown locations" that illegal guns are being used against people unable to defend themselves since they can't legally purchase weapons.
To be fair, I'm having difficulty digging up a link right this moment, but generally where the 2nd Amendment is least limited is where violent crime tends to be lower."
The reason you can't find a link is because what you're claiming is bullsh*t.
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That's not his pants you're smelling
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It's not working out
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Umm... type-o?
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I AM OFFENDED
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Huffpo won't publish my political comments. I cry.
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What?
This whole thing reeks of bullshit. How a democratic senator could come up with this is beyond me. Our government is officially fucked.
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No surprise
At least two jews there. I remember when jews were for free speech. Of course that was before they took over.
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"Give me liberty, or give me death."
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You got your facts wrong
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Can we kick New York out?
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I think they need a dictionary!
Re-read that and let it sink in.... "Insight", first of all, is not a verb, and it means something entirely different than the word I think they wanted - "Incite".
I guess this comment counts as flaming under the above definition, being insightful and all!
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ButtHurt Report Form
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really....
2 lies told by politicians-
we are here to help
don't worry we will never raise your taxes (I promise!)
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Freedom of Speech
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WE
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Omitting (D) and (R)'s
Liberals not wanting to give Liberals a bad name? Trying to keep up appearances that Democrats are FOR free speech?
They are not the party of Big Government and Government control of your decisions,... oh look ... a double rainbow!
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Sticks and stones
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Freedom?
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Oops. there's a warrant for my arrest now.
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Freedom of Speech
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Slippery Slope
Then, we aren't allowed to disagree.
Then, we're killed for only seeing four lights.
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1st Amendment
To there demise.
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1st Amendment
To there demise.
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WTF !!
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Rights and Freedoms are like a Jenga tower. Take one out, and the rest follow.
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Elected thugs and control freaks
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bullying laws
There are plenty of laws for real crimes, like assault, battery, harassment and anti-stalker laws to deal with real problems. That should be enough.
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Im curious...
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Too Much Free Speech?
George W. Bush said that terrorists "hate our freedoms." By that definition, these same senators are terrorists!
The people of NY need to vote these communists out of office.
America has become a nation of crybabies. Americans need to grow up, stop focusing so much on their feelings, start standing up for their Constitutional RIGHTS (such as free speech), and stand against those who would deprive them of those rights.
"Government is at best a necessary evil, and at worst an intolerable one." -- Thomas Jefferson
"Give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -- Lord Acton
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NWO #1! All Bow Down to Lucifer!
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