Beyonce May Get Sued For Copyright Infringement Because Of The Way She Danced
from the infringement-insanity dept
I have to admit that I still have trouble with the idea that choreography is subject to copyright. For the life of me, I can't figure out why that makes any sense. It's come up from time to time, such as when the "inventor" of "The Electric Slide" sought to pull down videos on YouTube. Then there were the heirs of a choreographer planning to go after dancers who don't pay to honor the choreographer's legacy, of course. The latest is a story making the rounds that famed singer Beyonce may be facing a copyright infringement lawsuit for a recent video. You can see the full video below, or just jump to the second video which compares some of her moves to a Belgian dance company, called Rosas, choreographed by Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker.Also, the second half of the video seems to imply that some rather basic dance moves also belong to Rosas, which, if true, would make an awful lot of music videos infringing.
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I copyrighted
Profit
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You copyrighted copulation? Good one.
I wonder if it's too late to patent it. If the patent was granted I guess they would need to show a lot of old porn as prior art to get it invalidated, or no one will be getting laid for the next 20 years without being sued for patent infringement.
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I'm not sure if you're doing it wrong, or spectacularly right.
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Wait, if that book contains sexual positions then it means they were all copyrighted at some point. Thank God it's already public domain!
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I'll see your Public Domain, and raise you three words: Retroactive Copyright Extensions.
Just because it's in the public domain right now doesn't mean that some knuckleheads won't pass a stupid law or sign a silly treaty, and put the Kama Sutra and all it's "moves" back under copyright protection.
All our days of freetardian sexual positions are numbered. Oh, you can still do them, you just will have to pay a licensing fee to the copyright holder perform them. And if you somehow are observed by others, you will also need to pay a public performance fee too.
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Actually, this could be good
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Walk this way...
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Also this isn't the first time Beyonce has been accused of borrowing from someone else's work without permission. I wonder how she would feel if people began taking her new and original ideas and...Oh wait what new and original ideas.
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Google "michael jackson bob fosse" for all the evidence and argument you want.
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Seemed like a ridiculous claim...
However, personally I don't think it matters and think Rosas should f-off...but it does bring to mind a certain cheerleader movie I saw one time. :)
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If it isn't "inspired" then what was it? It certainly wasn't copied, because Beyonce didn't take a clip from the Rosas video and splice it in; they setup cameras and filmed a new video.
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Whoa...
Without a doubt? Really?
Remember my earlier comment quoting CS Lewis - the ONLY person who knows whether this is "inspired by" or merely co-incidence ie Beyonce herself.
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Breech in her breaches
You mislead with the fake argument that this is about viewers preferring Beyonce and not meriting the original inventor. This is about her enriching herself at another's expense. She profits from this video, so why not pay dues to the people whose ideas are being ripped?
If, by some long stretch of the imagination, Beyond managed to popularize any of this haphazard collection of moves, the original inventor is unlikely to be rewarded through increased recognition. Given Beyonce's existing fame, Rosas would likely risk being seen as an imitator (if seen at all).
Of course if everyday people want to use these moves, they should be free to do so. But a stage performer is a different beast, and in this case it looks like cynical theft.
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and now, i never want to hear of them ever again.
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So far as I can see there is nothing "unique" about any of those dance moves.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/878105-police-question-father-after-he-takes-picture-of-daught er-in-shopping-centre
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just for fun watch these two in separate windows at the same time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwsguexIyhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxbrHPAa9mE
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People should be free to use whatever they want or need without having to ask for permission or else only Madonna's of our times would be able to afford anything.
Street dancer would be forbiden from learning the ropes, buskers suffer today to find a corner in the streets to play music because of collection agencies, this is no way to spread or keep culture ALIVE AND WELL!
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I think everyone is missing the point....
This song is actually no different than the youtube mashups we have seen here.
She effectively just trolled every single copyright troll out there.
Love ya Beyonce!
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Evolution
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Too bad videocameras haven't existed for a couple thousand years...
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law
Funny how history keeps playing itself in circles, is like people never learn how to find a balance.
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Wrong is Wrong.
Weird Al is allowed under copyright law to do “parodies” without getting permission from the original artists. But he never parodies anyone who does not want him to.
Yes, it's true that someone trying to copyright a high leg kick is crazy. But this is the same movement type/range, framing, costuming, sequencing. This is NOT a claim based on non-specific moves that we've all seen a gazillion times. Anyone with eyes can see it has more merit than that.
As far as I'm concerned, a big girl like B should know right from wrong even if it turns out there’s no law on the books that says she can’t do what she did. Artist to artist, it is what’s known as R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
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What is really wrong is this culture of "permission", that puts the power to stop everybody from doing something in the hands of a few people.
Just imagine what restaurants would be like if everyone could stop others from making the same dishes.
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It would be to Beyonce to be able to tell everybody where she "lifted" the ideas from so that person could get some credit and maybe even have some doors open up so that person could make their own money with their own work instead of trying to exploit others implementations and uses of the same ideas.
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Because when you do something that someone else has done, you deprive them of ever doing it again. :)
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I don't buy it
This lifting of choreography is a problem, and when we start allowing this and calling it inspiration or a homage, then what's to stop anyone from jacking anyone else's work? If she was seriously paying homage or getting inspired, then she would have contacted the Belgian choreographer and we would not have heard a peep. Maybe she figures it's just cheaper to settle lawsuits rather than respect intellectual property, but that is classless and wrong.
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This intelectual property is the real BS.
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Killing me softly - written by Charles Fox and Norman Gimbel, for no one specifically, although others have covered it (Roberta Flack being the biggest hit).
And I'm still Fallin' - I recognize this lyric, but can't quite place where it comes from.
Still the one I need - I thought of Shania Twains song, but that might not be right either.
I will always be with you - All dogs go to heaven, or Sheena Easton, take your pick.
The curled up lip at :23 - a take off Rhianna (one of her signature moves)
(we be makin love in (R Kelly) 5)
Seriously.....break each piece down. The whole thing is a mash up. I would say that until Beyonce did that dance, no one outside of a select group of people had even heard of Rosas.
Now the only thing they are going to be associated with is trolling, instead of 'omg, we got exposure!'.
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copyright in choreography
Copyright infringement does not require damages. The basic philosophical understanding is that the creator retains rights in how his creation is used.
The idea of homage requires more discussion. Mel Brookes was particularly good at self-homage and referring to other Brookes movies, so in Robin Hood - Men in Tights, he had a black sherriff - which worked in Blazing Saddles.
If an image in Toy Story is reminiscent of, and pays tribute to a iconic scene in Raders of the Lost Ark, should the animators require to obtian permission from Spielberg? If the image is recognizable, it is significant. This issue comes up from time to time. Recently it was scrutinized in Australia in the Men at Work song having a flute effect known from a song owned by the Girl Guides.
Copyright Law does, however, need an overhaul.
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Some more information
You can find the original (dutch) here: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur%2Ben%2Bmedia/kunsten/111011DeKeersmaeker_reageert
and the Google translation here: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deredactie.be %2Fcm%2Fvrtnieuws%2Fcultuur%252Ben%252Bmedia%2Fkunsten%2F111011DeKeersmaeker_reageert
I hope she realizes that legal action is probably not the best way to proceed. On the other hand, it would be equally nice of Beyoncé to simply admit they liked the moves in a 30-year old dance performance enough to copy them...
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Beyoncé has actually admitted that Rosas was 'one of the inspirations'...
Here: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/cultuur%2Ben%2Bmedia/muziek/111012Beyonce_inspiratie
Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8& amp;layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deredactie.be%2Fcm%2Fvrtnieuws%2Fcultuur%252Ben%252Bm edia%2Fmuziek%2F111012Beyonce_inspiratie&act=url
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Looking at the Google translation of De Keersmaeker's statement, I notice that she points out that it took popular culture "30 years" to pay attention to her groundbreaking avant garde work.
Her actual grievance may be that it took that long for her to influence popular culture!
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Legal? Who knows. It's just not very original, and the original artists certain merit at least getting their names out there for people to know the difference.
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It matters that Beyonce isn't a nobody kid doing the move on the street non-commercially. She is diluting the branding of another enterprise by using their signature moves without credit to make money for herself.
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It matters that Beyonce isn't a nobody kid doing the move on the street non-commercially. She is diluting the branding of another enterprise by using their signature moves without credit to make money for herself.
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For sure Beyonce is not an intelligent person and doesn't know what is out there, and her team is equally ignorant.
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