SOPA/PIPA Supporters Pretend White House Statement Means We Can Rush Through SOPA/PIPA
from the wow,-that's-chutzpah dept
Following the White House's surprise move to effectively tell SOPA/PIPA supporters to go back to the drawing board and come back with bills that don't censor the internet, don't break basic online security tools and that don't create unjustified litigation -- SOPA and PIPA supporters are going full press spin to try to pretend this is "good news." I'm not joking. The MPAA came out with a pretty laughable statement that appears to suggest that the White House's statement means it's time to "stop the obstruction" and just pass the bills:So now it is time to stop the obstruction and move forward on legislation.Similarly, the MPAA, together with the RIAA and the US Chamber of Commerce, stunningly claimed that the White House's statement:
Our industry not only fully supports free expression, our livelihood is built upon a vibrant First Amendment - it is the foundation of our industry and we would never support any legislation that would limit this fundamental American right. As had been made clear throughout the legislative consideration of SOPA and the PROTECT-IP Act, neither of these bills implicate free expression but focus solely on illegal conduct, which is not free speech. We agree with Secretary Clinton's recent statement that "There is no contradiction between intellectual property rights protection and enforcement and ensuring freedom of expression on the Internet."
"clears the way for action on these important bills."Talk about being in denial. This is laughable in a variety of ways. First, what the MPAA calls "obstruction" was actually the voicing of significant concerns that echo exactly what the White House claimed. For example, many of us spoke about the DNS provisions, and the White House clearly states: "Our analysis of the DNS filtering provisions in some proposed legislation suggests that they pose a real risk to cybersecurity and yet leave contraband goods and services accessible online." Yes, both Leahy and Smith have promised to delay (not completely remove) the implementation of those provisions, but that would not have happened if so many people hadn't spoken out vocally about those provisions.
That's not obstruction. Those were legitimate concerns -- which the MPAA fought, tooth and nail, even to the point of denying that DNS blocking was any problem at all. And the concerns that remain are legitimate as well. It's insulting, and all too indicative of how the MPAA has managed the push for this legislation, that its response to the White House telling them to go back to the drawing board and to "work together with all sides," is to respond by saying, "just pass the bill already!"
Perhaps not too surprisingly -- since he's basically been the MPAA's mouthpiece in Congress on this bill -- Rep. Lamar Smith echoed the same claims when asked about the White House's statements:
"I welcome today's announcement that the White House will support legislation to combat online piracy that protects free speech, the Internet and America's intellectual property," Smith said in a statement. "That's precisely what the Stop Online Piracy Act does."No, actually, it's not. The current bill has tons of problems -- even if we leave aside the DNS provisions. It is very much likely to censor legitimate sites -- as pointed out by over a hundred legal scholars -- and it has a private right of action that is likely to lead to unnecessary litigation. These are exactly the things the White House just told Smith to fix. And his response is to ignore them? Stunning. But... this is Lamar Smith, who still can't hear any criticism of his bill. Perhaps he just thinks the White House wants to "pirate" more things.
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The effort just want there.
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How is it you're almost always the first (I almost said person, but I'm not sure; you might be a MPAA bot) entity to comment on these SOPA/PIPA posts?
Way to keep your head in the sand (or up your ass) over what the real issues are and just keep beating that "freetard" drum. You're really working to overcome the objections of the opponents of these bills.
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Too bad there will always be a way to duplicate data.
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it has come to my attention that those who are doing something the most (piracy, not "filesharing", PIRACY, as in, i nick you out of every cent and penny) always have this assumption that everyone else is either doing it to them or just doing it in general
SOPA/PIPA are a monopoly on piracy
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That's as bad or worse than calling hypocrite of a politician publicly saying s/he is against corruption while secretly benefiting from corruption.
Or its like saying hypocrite of a religious leader vocally against homosexuality and illegal drugs who is secretly hiring a same sex prostitute to also bring him illegal drugs. Or celibate priests molesting children.
Or its like suggesting that our fine upstanding police are bullies just because they are beating up or falsely accusing or arresting people; or calling them ignorant for not knowing the law they are supposed to enforce.
I could go on. But clearly calling the SOPA / PIPA supporters pirates is somehow wrong and the government should crack down on people who think such thoughts, let alone dare to speak them.
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Ratchet effect
What happens when you keep ratcheting a bolt tighter and tighter? Keep torquing that bolt.
You try to to torque that bolt just a little bit more—but it won't move. Well then, just get a bigger wrench! More torque! Tighten it up. Tighten, tighten, tighten.
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I look forward to the day the copyright bolt finally snaps on the MAFIAA.
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Not in the movies. In Hollywood, the bolt does whatever the director demands.
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If at first you don't succeed, use a shorter bungee.
Or, if denied when you ask for the Sun, the Moon and all the stars; try to be more reasonable. Instead ask for only the Sun, the Moon and only the stars in *this* galaxy. Congress and/or the courts might just give them to you.
As a practical example, instead of asking for private interests to be given sweeping powers to permanently censor any website with no evidence or process; instead ask to only be able to censor for, say, 180 days. With the takedown request being renewable within 10 days of the 180 day expiration.
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I seriously hope SOPA / PIPA goes the way of Righthaven.
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I am hoping the rejection of PIPA and SOPA wake up people in the industry to the realities they face. Bluntly, piracy is not the biggest problem they face. It has been an excuse and distraction from their real problems. The sooner they face that the sooner they can start to take corrective actions.
Denial is the first stage of grieving. Often the most ridiculous denials come right at the end of the grieving stage. Perhaps the latest statement is the first step in recovery.
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And I would also love to see a large amount of US Citizens wake up and BOYCOTT both in such a big way that they will lose out in the end.
No one is taking my Freedom away without a struggle.
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Yep.
Congressinduhvidual: Boy, that SOPA thing didn't go well, people are really paying attention to this stuff.
Lobbyist: Don't worry, we'll write some new legislation that will pass.
Congressinduhvidual: Yeah, but it will be politically risky to support it. Anyway... I'm holding a fundraiser next weekend. Thanks for stopping by.
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Remember the blackout is 8am to 8pm EST. I have already personally requested that FaceBook and Google join in but we shall see. My own websire sure is joining in.
Wikipedia from that I have seen have voted for a total site blackout but it was very close call with a top banner opposition instead.
My greatest wish now is that the Internet service to Washington can be pulled if not to leave this city in darkness.
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Response to: fogbugzd on Jan 16th, 2012 @ 7:50am
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Opposite Land!
Welcome to the Cthulhian Mountains of Madness!
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Also known as Washington, DC.
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They're starting to sound like......
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jan 16th, 2012 @ 8:02am
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Now I know better. DMCA was just the warmup.
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we need to strip these faggots of theyre positions
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Vote Ron Paul!!!
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He's held elected office for many years, and his voting record always aligns with his campaign rhetoric. He's the only candidate who says the same thing consistantly. You can't find footage of him ten years ago saying something different then he says today. Whether you agree with him or not is another story.
His only backpeddling comes from the newsletters that bear his name, which he is now distancing himself from. Claiming he didn't write all the racist things said in the newsletters and didn't know that content was in there. Sounds like Murdoch saying he had no idea his tabloids were hacking into celebrities voicemails. Either they're lying, or ignorant of what is being done in their name. Whichever it is, it's not acceptable.
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I would be very surprised if Paul flipped on anything; even with heavy industry pressure...No, you can criticize Paul for a lot of things, but Mitt-flopping is never going to be one of them...
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Same here. I like the smaller military / no wars thing, but he's too isolationist, and foreign policy is one area where the President doesn't need a lot of help from Congress if I understand correctly.
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As crazy and ridiculous as some of his ideas sound, I look at what the rest of the charlatans in office have done the last 20 years and I have to stop and ask - "can he really fuck things up any worse than they already are?"
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all fixed.
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Take Kerry's vote against funding for the Iraq war as an example, he didn't vote against the war, he voted against body armor for the troops! Armor that was less then 0.1% of the spending in the bill he voted against!
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SOPA WILL RUIN US!
You are mis-informed, this bill will prosecute the anyone who links to a website that has counterfeit information, and if they are not in america they will be blacklisted for it. For example, all of you very helpful videos on YouTube, will be blocked and so will any website that is linked to YouTube, I don't know if you have a Facebook, but every page on Facebook will be scanned and if it finds counterfeit information then it will also be banned or blacklisted by the united states government, Until it is fixed but as we all know the government is very slow at doing things. Now I believe that this would ruin our american economy, and if you haven't noticed, we really don't export any products, we are an information based society, And SOPA WILL RUIN US.
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Cause, uh, we sorta already know all that...
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Um, isn't SOPA dead?
http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/g1c3PAsUHNM/house-kills-sopa
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I can't find any source stating that other than that Examiner post. I suspect he saw Cantor's statement that there will be no vote on the bill until there's consensus about the issues, and misinterpreted it as Cantor actually killing the bill.
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yes he can.
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Democracy
Now there is a false statement.
To have hundreds of millions of people break the law is the greatest act of free speech when this is democracy in action screaming out that the law is wrong.
What about former alcohol prohibition when does their voice mean nothing when so many broke the law? Just a bunch of criminals with no free speech found here? Stamp them out like bugs? Nope when their defiance of an unjust law changed the law when alcohol is not a problem for responsible adults.
File-sharing is much the same when since it has caused little real damage so far then this is all opposition to unjust laws that equally has grown into political and religious rights.
Be afraid, the people are talking.
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To High Treason, which a considerable portion of Congress is committing by taking these donations and not actually acting in the public's best interest.They should be shot like the traitors to the ideals of democracy and freedom that they are.
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Now there is a false statement.
It's also false for another reason: it does not focus solely on illegal conduct. It blacklists entire sites, not just the infringing content. (Also, infringement may be unlawful speech, but it is speech, not "conduct.")
Additionally, the parties who would be the most impacted are not "rogue sites," but the advertisers, search engines, and payment providers who must blacklist them (and their users and customers).
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The horror! What an incomprehensible and undoable task!
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I'm going to ask again for a "Stupid" voting button, though I don't think it's going to happen. :-)
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http://www.dethronehatch.com/orrin-hatch-is-no-friend-of-the-internet/
He's also made tens of thousands of dollars for trying to push them through:
http://blog.experts-exchange.com/ee-tech-news/sopa-update-blackouts-pacs-and-a-little-bi t-of-irony/
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Nonsense is just cheaper than lies
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Internet Self-Censorship
...on the internet?
What country are we living in? IRAN???
Surprise folks! Iran has such a law!
...something called juriprudent! (...basically watch out on what you say or think...and always put yourself in the "clerics" shoes considering what they might find "inappropriate or offensive...yeah illegal!)
Soon we will have the same legislative structure as Iran! (...a bureau of "voice and communications" where every letter of the alphabet is scrutinized and rejected for "perceived" meaning and such!!! ...then we can move to the next step...closed door trials where the accused will not know what they are being charged with...not to mention secret jails/prisons and then hit squads!!!)
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
If this so-called law passes here in the US we will be moving backwards a few centuries!!! (We the people must consider a new revolution!!!)
If you pass this "law" you must also pass a law where you must wear "head gear" while passing future laws! (just like the ayatollahs!!!)
Do not "sell out" the forefathers and their wisdom/legacy!!!
The people have spoken Mr/Mrs lawmakers/representatives...consider your actions and while passing such laws...because your will be doing it without representing me!!!
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A real protest-everyone stops buying any content 3 months
In any case, the vote is one way re politics- but if we could all just suck it up and cancel all the things that puts money in MPAA and RIA for three months, maybe that could send a signal. If artist just all sold their music for cheaper online and made more money doing that, it would also send a message.
Do you know in the old days the RIAA would call Doctors' offices and mechanic shops and threaten suit if they heard a private record or the radio playing since that would be for "professional use"- that is why they played that horrible muzak they were forced to buy. That is what RIAA and MPAA want again. They will only understand if we cut off their money-oxygen supply a bit.
And maybe they should consider that unlike Hollywood, the rest of real America does not have as much money right now and maybe that is why people are not using a lot of disposable income to buy their CRAP.
Do you think a co-ordinated 3 month boycott of these "industries" could work, or are we all too lazy and addicted?
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A real protest-everyone stops buying any content 3 months
In any case, the vote is one way re politics- but if we could all just suck it up and cancel all the things that puts money in MPAA and RIA for three months, maybe that could send a signal. If artist just all sold their music for cheaper online and made more money doing that, it would also send a message.
Do you know in the old days the RIAA would call Doctors' offices and mechanic shops and threaten suit if they heard a private record or the radio playing since that would be for "professional use"- that is why they played that horrible muzak they were forced to buy. That is what RIAA and MPAA want again. They will only understand if we cut off their money-oxygen supply a bit.
And maybe they should consider that unlike Hollywood, the rest of real America does not have as much money right now and maybe that is why people are not using a lot of disposable income to buy their CRAP.
Do you think a co-ordinated 3 month boycott of these "industries" could work, or are we all too lazy and addicted?
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If by the old days you mean last year, yes. They haven't stopped doing that, though it's actually collection societies such as ASCAP, not the RIAA directly.
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