Hollywood Continues To Kill Innovation, Simply By Hinting At Criminal Prosecution Of Cyberlockers
from the sickening dept
We noted right after the US government shut down Megaupload, that it was creating massive chilling effects on all sorts of online cloud businesses -- leading some to already turn off useful services that consumers and businesses relied on.It appears that process is continuing. Last week, Paramount's VP of "Content Protection," Alfred Perry, made a ridiculous and childish presentation in which he effectively put criminal targets on the backs of five companies, and suggested that they were all no different than Megaupload, and that the government was coming for them next:
The end result, however, is that the five sites on the list have been forced to go on the defensive hoping to avoid criminal prosecution with the federal government twisting everything they do to present it in the worst possible light.
MediaFire fired back at Perry, pointing out that the company is a large legitimate company run by reputable entrepreneurs, and one that has always worked with the MPAA and RIAA to stop the spread of infringing content. Similarly, PutLocker has fired back, telling TorrentFreak that Perry's comments were defamatory:
In any other industry, a person making this type of statement could be sued for libel. Funny how that works,” PutLocker Operations Officer Adrian Petroff told TorrentFreak.But the chilling effects here are very, very real. Two of the other five sites on the target list have now effectively made themselves useless for sharing legitimate files worldwide -- one of the key use cases for cyberlockers. FileServe and Wupload have turned themselves into pure backup services, rather than file sharing services, to avoid the risk of criminal prosecution.
“PutLocker takes a strong stand against copyright infringement and in the past year and a half we have taken down hundreds of thousands of infringing files and blocked the accounts of hundreds of repeat offenders,” adds Petroff. “PutLocker always cooperates with copyright holders and law enforcement agencies at home and abroad to uphold the rights of content producers and distributors alike.”
And that's the real key here. Perry and the rest of the Hollywood legacy "content protection" crew freak out about 41 billion page views. What they ignore is that the reason there were 41 billion page views was because these sites were offering something useful that people wanted. But Perry isn't in the business of recognizing what the market wants. His very job title makes it clear that his job is holding back the tide. It's about "content protection" in a world where content can't be protected. If Paramount were run by execs who actually had vision and understood innovation, they'd see 41 billion pageviews and their eyes would light up at the massive opportunity. Just imagine what you could do with 41 billion pageviews? And, if you were a company like Paramount and could offer your content up legally, you'd have a huge head start over the cyberlockers. If anything is criminal here, it's the incredible shortsightedness of Paramount's execs, to spit in the face of consumers and a massive business opportunity for themselves.
Even worse, they're doing so by simply declaring innovative websites guilty of criminal charges, despite no actual charges being filed, no trial, no evidence and no chance for these companies to make their case. From a legal standpoint, this is despicable. It's standard operating procedures for a flailing, out of touch, anti-visionary company, however. It's just too bad that the world is letting a company like Paramount (and its parent company, Viacom) get away with such practices.
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Filed Under: alfred perry, copyright, criminal, cyberlockers, innovation, threats
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Yes. Free access to infringing content.
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Your quote is off slightly...
Ah, there we go, much better.
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Wanted to show my wife the original War Games movie. We have Netflix streaming. Hmmm, not available?
1 hr later it was downloaded via torrent.
I would gladly have gotten it through legal channels, but it simply isn't available in the most convenient matter. As a product producer, if you're answer is 'tough you get it how I want', you have failed in your job.
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Too Stupid; Didn't Read
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But didn't.
Talk about entitlement.
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"the original War Games movie" "something of value" - That can be debated elsewhere.
If the industry was not so afraid of the god awful pie-rates, then you would have a central location, or a few services, to have access to everything ever recorded.
If you cant give the people what they want, when they want it, someone else will. Its basic customer service.
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Not in my house, where it's watched at least once a year. Start talking crap about that movie and you'll be asked politely to leave ;)
(Oh and yes, AC troll, I own the DVD before you get started...)
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Just gotta avoid being shut down by those who have a vested interest in keeping competion down, before they become to widespread and become a 'legit' competitor, with rights
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If light is valuable because it's dark outside and I light my candle from yours, I haven't taken your light. Even if we didn't have matches and it took you 3 hours of rubbing sticks together to create your light, it still isn't immoral. I might pay you for your effort, but there is nothing wrong with me turning around and shareing my light with others.
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I'll tell you how...
By downloading it.
Why is that?
Because it's not available in my country.
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It's conveniently available on Amazon instant.
http://www.amazon.com/WarGames/dp/B0011EQBOS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333565852&sr= 8-1
and on Hulu
http://www.hulu.com/watch/154787/wargames
Also, you're a lazy Googler. ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1aztBGnWc
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The sooner they stop thinking "pirate = thief" and start thnking "pirate = competition", the better off they'll be.
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Even if he is able to access the other options, the fact is that for whatever reason, MGM have opted not to licence a 30 year old movie to Netflix, the #1 source for many people to view content. This seems rather silly, and another symptom of the internal problems the industry has that lose them money every day.
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"No flag, no country! You can't have one. That's the rules... that... I've just made up"
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File lockers are the least of their concerns. They also have a pretty significant legitimate use.
It should be no surprise, but I think they've come up with a very poor strategy when it comes to "eliminating piracy".
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What they are good for though is the smaller files like android roms and other tools. As a result I spent an entire weekend cursing ICE because every time I thought I found the files I needed for my phone I ended up being shown that damn ICE page at megaupload.
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Every time a troll responds with a thought-provoking statement, we take a drink.
...think of the sobriety.
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I think you'll want to read the statement again, and then reverse your own.
Too fast on the trigger, son...
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got "troll", "statement", and "drink" I guess.
;-P
Thanx.
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If you would just post that instead of the long, drawn out, equivalent comments you make it would save us a lot of time.
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And you have actual, verifiable, solid evidence that ALL of the content was infringing and ALL the page views were ONLY about infringing content.
Or did you just accept the unproven assertions of those who have an agenda? Yeah, don't bother answering that, we already know.
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And you have actual, verifiable, solid evidence that MOST of the content was not infringing and MOST of the page views were ONLY about non-infringing content.
Or did you just accept the unproven assertions of those who have an agenda? Yeah, don't bother answering that, we already know. Douche.
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I visit TPB regularly and about 70% of the time I download legit torrents there, 20% I download copies of content I own and 10% of the time I download infringing content. So by my standards most of TPB is composed of non-infringing magnets. So obviously TPB is safe from such lawsuits, right?
It's so cute when you trolls shoot your own feet and look at us smiling as if you won the debate...
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The actual standard -- which you ignore -- is whether or not the services have substantial noninfringing *uses*. And it's clear that they do.
That you seek to stifle innovation because it can ALSO be used to infringe is downright scary and an insult to innovation.
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I can think of non-infringing uses for all sorts of illegal products and services. Does that suddenly make them legal? Nope.
The technology that some of these sites use has non-infringing use, of course. Storing digital data goes way back. But we don't tend to focus on a narrow part of the technical operation of things to look to see how they are actually used.
It's the way the world works. You don't just get to narrowly focus in one area and ignore the system or the results.
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Why don't we go with what the Supreme Court says about this:
From Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios - 464 U.S. 417 (1984):
"Accordingly, the sale of copying equipment, like the sale of other articles of commerce, does not constitute contributory infringement if the product is widely used for legitimate, unobjectionable purposes. Indeed, it need merely be capable of substantial noninfringing uses."
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So unproven assertions of guilt are a reason to shut down a site. Unproven assertions of the MAGNITUDE of the problem are a reason to over-react and "accidentally" stomp on free speech. Your own presumptions are SO good you feel that insulting me is an appropriate response.
I think your response is a good example why your position is dangerous for all who support innocent until PROVEN guilty and for all who defend free speech.
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There's lots of ways to profit from 41 billion page views that don't include charging the customer for the content. Television and radio proved that over 50 years ago.
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Of course, according to the trolls/IP extremists on this site, there is no legitimate use whatsoever for sites like Mediafire.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a couple of school papers I need to get off of there before it's shut down entirely and I lose access to them. Yep, school papers and software backups. NO INFRINGING CONTENT WHATSOEVER. And I'm obviously not alone in this.
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41 billion people have voted against you. You and you copyright maximalists are on the wrong side of this fight. You will lose.
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I think you mean "people have voted against you 41 billion times." ;)
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Free access to free supplementary user-generated content counts for a good number of those page views. Open source projects probably count for a significant portion too.
Of course, both of these help the independent competition to copyright industries. It really makes you wonder if this style of use is the real target. Hopefully we will get some indication of the real data to come out of the Megaupload case.
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... but, but, Google is the biggest facilitator of infringement on the planet!!!
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Almost every useful tool, can be used in a dastardly way.
Pencil = writing, or stabbing
Baseball Bat = baseball, or beating someone to death
Car = driving to work, or getaway vehicle
Google = innocent search terms, or infringing search terms
File Lockers = safe secure backup, or infringing content host
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"In any other industry..."
Why doesn't it apply here? Serious question, I'm legitimately confused...
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Sure they might break your legs, but with them you usually have to actually do something bad to them first.
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so why aren't Putlocker suing then? why isn't the US government doing something useful, like stopping pricks like Perry from being allowed to issue this kind of threat, with no proof, that means less tax revenue if the site closes? why is the US government showing that it isn't interested in doing what is right, it's only interested in helping who pays lobbying fees to it?
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The statements aren't libelous, rather than speak of a truth that everyone seems desperate to ignore.
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The statements are libelous because they suggest that these lockers don't comply with the take-down services.
I think the real reason they can't sue is that they can't show any harm done to them by being labeled this way, as the file-sharing public has long since stopped caring whether the service they use also carries infringing files (if they ever cared at all).
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Then the RIAA lawsuits happened and we lost ALL respect for copyright.
Course, it never helped that getting a good music record, outside of "greatest hits" was damn near impossible.
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Uploading and downloading of files has been around since long before the internet. There is no real innovation here. Cloud computing (as in data backup) isn't truly relevant or hurt by shutting down file locker sites. Remember, if it's backup storage you are looking for, the current Wupload service is exactly right.
So again, I have to ask: What innovation is being stopped?
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I am not real familiar with any of these sites in this article, but Mega was innovative in one important way that the studios and record labels absolutely hated.
A musician or a independent film maker could upload their work to Mega and were paid a portion of the onsite advertising based on number of downloads (IE: eyes on the download page). The legacy players really, really hated this because it meant that an artist could profit from their work without signing a crippling distribution deal with them.
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Yeah, pretty much the sort of deals that Youtube has been offering for ages. No innovation here.
Try again!
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OK, son.
YouTube didn't allow you to download videos or music for later use on your computer or iPod or other media player.
Innovation, boy!
You lose!
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last time I looked, Itunes pays a commission on every sale as well.
Innovation isn't what Mega was all about. You might wish it was, in the same manner that people here go on and on about the legit uses of bit torrent, but it's pretty much a given: most of the users, most of the traffic was about pirating.
You guys need to learn to accept reality. It's way better once you take off your rose colored glasses and get a real view of the world.
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Stop encouraging piracy please. We frown upon that here.
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*sigh*
Here's the song again...
"Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! You're wrong! You're wrong! You're wrooooooooooooooonnnnnnnngggg!"
Say what you THINK, but when I used Megaupload, it was to upload files from one computer that were too large to go through email (school assignments and the like), or download OLD video games that would NEVER get put out in America.
Sometimes I'd download other games, but, again, they were games that weren't licensed. Look up Sengoku Rance, okay? Just TRY and find a legit copy online somewhere. Go ahead, I'll wait. (Pro-tip: You will never find a legit copy anywhere.)
I downloaded that through Megaupload.
If I buy something, scan it, and decide to upload it to Megaupload, that's my choice. If I decide to share it, that's also my choice. Whatever happens after that is none of my concern.
"You guys need to learn to accept reality. It's way better once you take off your rose colored glasses and get a real view of the world."
Wow, I... I didn't know you were talking about yourself there.
Here's the thing that maybe you should remember...
You know the whole Prohibition era? You know, when alcohol was illegal to drink and cops busted places up that had it?
Did it stop alcohol from being consumed? No.
Did it stop people from making alcohol? No.
Did crime go down like we were promised? Hell no!
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean people won't do it. In fact, it being illegal might make it MORE tempting to do than if it was legal.
Alcohol's legal now, does that mean that everyone over the age of 21 drinks alcohol all the time?
No, of course not. Some don't drink at all.
Same with cigarettes. Does everyone over the age of 18 smoke?
Of course not. It's legal, but that doesn't mean that they smoke that.
Oh, and you say "most of the usage was piracy".
Prove it.
Give me... 10 different, NON-MPAA/RIAA sources that say that Megaupload or Bit torrent's ONLY use is piracy.
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The old monopolies are obviously pissed that they didn't come up with this new "cloud" thing... that's one of the reasons they're so much mud flinging.
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Just because you do not see the long term repercussion upon civilization and culture does not mean they are not there.
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By claiming that file lockers are 'evil, bad and kill puppies' it makes it hard for people to decide to start up new technology that *could* be used to infringe.
Phones *could* be used for harassment, so we obviously should label phone companies as aiding and abetting harassment right?
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Because of the large aggregation of mirrors, they were able to devise a new model of business based on advertising surrounding a mirror.
They provided means to directly connect creators and file-sharers in a way that benefited the creators.
The three pieces above may not seem like much, but innovation doesn't happen in leaps. Each innovator contributes a small amount and eventually what you have looks nothing like what came before.
Example, engine:
-Direct force
-Lever and wedge
-Rotating spiral wedge, hand crank
-Gears and shafts
-Water/wind wheel
-Pump
-Steam
-Combustion
-Jet
Example, internet:
-Walking
-Fire
-Drums
-Horses
-Telegraph
-Phone
-Local networks
-Link based networks
-Packet switching
-TCP/IP/DNS
Example, file-sharing:
-Physical
-Newsgroups
-Mirrors
-TOR
- TPB
- Lockers
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OK, let's accept that it wasn't innovative. it was a useful, perhaps even vital, service for independent authors and artists to get their work out there without high bandwidth costs, and they even got paid as part of the process. Your opinion of its innovative nature is irrelevant.
Face it, this is just another round in your endless game of whack-a-mole, and people are starting to see that you're not only full of crap, but you don't care whose rights you trample in the process - including the very people you claim to be trying to protect.
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Are we not people now?
If we are, then "people are starting to see that you're not only full of crap" aswell.......whos right, and who's full of crap........ unlike the people fighting for inovation, you are unaware or refuse to consider and thus admit that you migt be as biased, something we would gladly admit too, if we feel that the think worth fighting for is.......worth fighting for
I freely admit that BOTH sides are biased, question is, for what cause are YOU being biased FOR?
And because you dont GET IT, does'nt automatically mean it doesn't exist, inovation IS real, if it were'nt we'd all still be living in caves
And just so you know, in case you, just..might..not..be aware, you have an major arrogance problem, and alot of the people here will argue anything you say, just on principle
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TLDR version: what in the hell are you blathering on about?
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It's never been about the customers
You see, it's all really about forcing creators and their fans to keep paying the publishers, whether they want to or not.
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Oh, the plaintive wails of evolution in progress!
And now the "news":
The species Hollywoodrot is dying - one can tell by the plaintive wails and squeals the obtuse and obsolete beasts emit.
Society bids good riddance to such primitive and obsolete garbage of the last millennium and will mark its overstuffed graveyard as a dire warning to future generations about experiments gone woefully awry.
And in the fourth millennium, CURRENT ways will considered primitive and obsolete.
Et le cercle est complet.
Evolution works at all levels. Nobody said the process was pretty.
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1) Vote out anyone who ignores the people on a large petition or e-mail campaign from their constituents and make it widely known why.
2) Petition every branch of the government, from village to federal level, for full transparency. The only things they should be allowed to keep secret: names of people, shift schedules, precise locations. Even total military power currently in a given nation should be a matter of public record if we are not at war with that nation. Each compliant governmental body, even the small ones, should be held up as an example. Set the bar high enough that they can't weasel out of things without massive backlash.
3) Generate a constitutional amendment that sets out a review process designed to stop any law that could lead to abuse of circumvention of the spirit of the bill of rights. Provide penalties for sponsoring such a bill, such as forfeiture of wages or expulsion from congress (dependent on severity). Make the Congress scared of even flirting with messing with our rights.
4) Focus on education, allow teachers to take the lead on the discussion and push for creativity and critical thinking over subject matter. Generate a populace that will not be so easily duped in the future.
5) Detailed clean up of outdated laws. Provide a means to continue this into the future, preferably through forced expiration dates on laws, without a renewal policy (must draft it again). This keeps Congress busy maintaining so they don't over-regulate and ensures periodic review of each law.
6) Vigilance. Eventually, every system starts to break down.
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This one should be at the top of the list. Without an informed and engaged populous, none of the rest of that list is sustainable. Call me cynical, but I think some factions in government are railing against education for that very reason.
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arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/us-government-we-hear-theres-child-porn-on-thos e-megaupload-servers-judge.ars
Funny how the government change its mind and apparently doesn't even bother to be consistent at all.
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Yawn..
Yawn...
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150 million in 5 years for Mega isn't enough money to justify the efforts. Remember:
"The odds were definitely in The Hunger Games favor this weekend: the big screen adaptation of the immensely popular young adult novel opened to an enormous $152.5 million, which ranks third all-time behind Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 ($169.2 million) and The Dark Knight ($158.4 million). " (boxofficemojo.com)
There isn't enough money to be made there at this point to make it worth trying.
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The reason it's not a valid business model is that in order to compete, they would have to price at a Kim price. That wouldn't be very useful to the bottom line.
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Bullshit. That's the old "lost sale fallacy". Not every download would have been a sale. Odds are that very few would have been.
The reason it's not a valid business model is that in order to compete, they would have to price at a Kim price. That wouldn't be very useful to the bottom line.
Oh boo fucking hoo. Just because you overvalue your content doesn't mean the market does. Get on board with the rest of the world. Streamline, reduce overhead, downsize and work smarter - just like every other industry, besides the entertainment sector, has had to do in these tough economic times.
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But, what if I download stuff that I already own?
Say, I bought a movie and someone stole it from me. Should I have to pay out money to get a new copy of it?
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Unfortunately the MPAA members have become victim to rogue "pirate" accountants who have creatively siphoned off all the profits in the books. The direct result of this is that only a very select few movies have actually made any money in the last couple decades.
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You're "probably" an idiot.
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If you have the best programmers money can buy, and able to create something that theoritically can be viewed on ALL computers(windows, macs, linux), on all phones (android, apple, blackberry), that alone, would give them a major customer base...........and then add the laptops, netbooks, tablets, consoles and any other internet capable device.......can you imagine the immense customer base they can have access to
For example, sure a LOW priced subcription service for easy access and ALL media in one spot, might not be appealing to content providers......if they dont see the bigger picture
$5 a month x 150million
imagine
$5 a month x every internet capable device
the low subcription cost would almost be to tempting not to go for it, IF its what we've been asking for
Maybe their scared that, they know they'd have to consede to competitors doing the same thing, once its been shown to work, and having to give up rights to media, or giving media to direct competitors who have the potential to do a better job, running the risk of loosing alot of their control, or worst still, making them obsolete if and when artists start dealing with said competitor directly, ala Megaupload
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I think a better metric would be total internet users. You aren't going to convince people to buy a subscrption for each of their devices. It'll be one account for all of their devices.
In February 2012 there was an estimated 2,459,646,518 internet users worldwide.
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Even though I don't disagree with most of your comments, when you preface them with "child" or end them with "boy" you come off as a condescending asshole and I have a hard time taking what you say seriously. Just sayin'
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What if the files are NOT copyrighted stuff
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File sharing is facilitated by the evil...
FTFY
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Nobody needs these parasite thugs, their need is only artificial. It's only through government established monopolized content distribution channels that they have managed to gain such a market dominance, otherwise others will create and distribute content without them, which is exactly what they don't want.
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Most of those views, the overwhelming majority, are likely not infringing. These content distribution platforms follow DMCA takedown requests as did Megaupload.
The problem isn't infringement, it's that people are viewing content that these monopolists aren't getting paid for. Content created and distributed by others in such a way that these selfish monopolists don't have control over and don't have IP privileges over. This isn't just about infringement, that's just a pretext, this is about monopolizing the information distribution market completely. If you want to create and distribute content you must sign your IP privileges over to them or else you won't have any means to distribute your content. This is exactly what they want and it's exactly what they have managed to accomplish, through self serving laws, outside of the Internet.
We must abolish government established broadcasting and cableco monopolies, we must shorten copy protection lengths, reduce infringement penalties, create safe harbors that carefully ensures that restaurants, bakeries, and other venues that host independent performers and content absolutely can not be held liable for the infringement of independent performers and content creators (ie: children making custom drawings on their birthday cakes), and we must substantially increase the penalties for bogus infringement claims and for nefarious attempts to wrongfully hold third parties, like restaurants that host independent performers, liable for the actions of others (or for attempts to get settlement money out of them with the threat of initiating an expensive lawsuit).
This is unacceptable, we need to put substantially more pressure on our government to act in the public interest and not just in its own revolving door, corporate campaign contributory, interests. We need to protest, like other countries we should be on the streets in millions protesting the stupid plutocratic nature of our anti-competitive laws.
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"It's like a blind, old, incontinent sheepdog that's had its day. You just take it out to the barn with a double-barreled shotgun and blow the mother away."
And then there's Lister (well, technically, Inquisitor-Lister):
"Get outta this one, smeghead."
Paraphrasing the Cat:
"That's it! They're deader than corduroy!"
And last, but not least, Kryten:
"I would like to take this opportunity to tell you that you are the most obnoxious, trumped-up, farty little smeghead it has ever been my misfortune to encounter!"
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There is a ton of INDIE Music,Films,Art, and Books you can buy and support.The World will be a greater place if you help out and do that.
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- Those who refuse to buy from our company because of our stance on the internet
I wonder how we could calculate how much profit loss due to protest.........mmmmmm, i know, ill do what they do, and throw out a number, 95%
Content providers lose 95% profit due to protest
Just like them, totally trustworthy situations AND figures
On a serious note, i have joined this middleman protest
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That doesn't speak very well about innovation.
Maybe we need a law against people saying mean things since it apparently has such a negative effect on innovating.
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The reason these people don't see 41 billion page views as potential profits is that the publishers are not actually fighting piracy. They're fighting independent artists.
They are very aware that the Internet can be the biggest boost to have ever happened to music and movies. But no matter how many times you tell publishers that they should embrace the Internet, the Internet will kill the publishers by allowing artists to easily self-publish their work.
It's as simple as that. The Internet is in fact deadly to publishers. There is no good business model that let's publishers make money thanks to the Internet - the best business models that the Internet enables all involve artists publishing their work on their own and getting rid of the middle-man.
The publishers are really at war with file-sharing technology. They try to kill legitimate file-sharing technologies so that indie artists can't use them to self-publish.
They also go after downloaders once in a while so as to intimidate people out of downloading anything at all - it's hard to tell which songs are legal to download for free and which ones aren't, therefore most people won't take the risk of downloading an illegal song by mistake if they fear lawsuits and Internet disconnections enough.
It's NOT about piracy. It's about killing indie artists.
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The fact they tried to pay the Government to push this through is absurd and they all should be under investigation right now. Chris Dodd is a F wit for the way he talks about internet users like we are children.
EVERY industry and company in the world needs to constantly evolve to stay alive. Hollywood are stuck witha business model and supply chain that is 50 years out of date, and somehow belive they should be exempt from change because they pay politicians to look after their interests.
Until Hollywood come up with a system where content is available much cheaper, instantly around the globe, and downloadable in a format where it can be shared among devices easily, they do not deserve to make any money from me.
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Re-imaging of the MPAA's Poster
http://imgur.com/3WHir
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Hollywood Greed
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