Journey's Producer Sues Sony Over Unpaid Royalties For 21 Classic Songs

from the not-just-artists-getting-screwed dept

Mon, Aug 13th 2012 2:38pm — Zachary Knight

For years, we have highlighted the great lengths that major labels go through to avoid paying out royalties to artists. These actions culminated in a number of artists suing the label in an attempt to actually be paid the royalties owed to them on music sales. Sony hasn't been immune to these lawsuits either. In fact, it has just recently settled a lawsuit over iTunes sales. With all these attempts to avoid paying artists and then being forced to by the courts, is it really a surprise to learn that artists aren't the only ones getting screwed by these labels?

While most of our stories revolve around the artists who get screwed, there are other people getting screwed in the process as well. One of these people is a music producer by the name of Roy Thomas Baker, a producer for the likes of Queen, Guns N' Roses and Journey. Roy is now suing Sony for unpaid royalties on 21 Journey songs.

Sony was supposed to pay Baker royalties under a producer agreement, according to his 18-page federal lawsuit. But Baker says an audit of Sony's books revealed that the music company had been underreporting his royalties by more than $475,000 for the period audited.

He says Sony is refusing to release other documents that might uncover additional underreporting since the audit, and he estimates that his royalties may have been underreported by more than $500,000 before the audit using Sony's incorrect rates.

If these allegations against Sony are true, that is quite a lot of money that Sony was not paying out. It really isn't surprising at all though. We have seen such payment dodging from all throughout the legacy entertainment industries. Publishers, labels, movie studios and game publishers have all used such tricks to avoid paying out money to the people who actually make possible the income they have. All the while claiming that they support the people in the trenches.

This lawsuit also highlights something we pointed out about that settlement Sony made earlier in the year, that Sony got off way too easily.

Baker says he opted out of a class action over Sony's alleged failure to correctly pay artists for downloaded music because the proposed settlement in March "is wholly insufficient to make plaintiff whole."

Because no matter how you worked out the split of the $5 million that Sony set aside for settlement, Roy would not have made anything close to the $475,000 he says he is owed. If other artists and producers feel the same way, Sony's legal team won't get any rest any time soon.

All in all, these lawsuits are just another indication that the entertainment industry is changing. As more and more artists are able to bypass legacy gatekeepers and only use those enablers that truly add value to their work and make more money in the process, those artists stuck with legacy gatekeepers will wonder why they aren't making as much money as they feel they should. They will eventually leave those gatekeepers, but in the meantime, we will see a whole lot more actions like this as those artists and other enablers seek to get paid.

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Filed Under: copyright, journey, music labels, roy thomas baker, royalties
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That's not just A Few Coins. Sony, who is nothing but a Hustler, screwed him over Just The Same Way they do other artists, but After All These Years, Karma caught up with them. Now Sony is crying like a Little Girl, and With a Tear falling down their cheek, they cry it is a World Gone Wild they can't get away with this. Now other artists will be coming to Nickel and Dime them to death.

Don't Stop Believing that they'll get what is coming to them, and they'll soon be giving out checks Anyway You Want It.

—Josh in CharlotteNC

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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 2:53pm

Least Baker knew class actions only make the lawyers rich. I'm sure Sony is appalled he asked for what was due him. He wants them to pay him for old work? Preposterous! :P
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 2:54pm

Sony is
the biggest freetard of them all
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:01pm

But its "piracy" that is stealing the money, not our creative accounting techniques.

When you can blame the low figures on "piracy" and keep your books from being properly audited, there is a serious problem. The fact there was a class action lawsuit really should wake the artists up... the biggest thieves are the labels.

And just for giggles, has the RIAA released any statement about this label screwing over the artist? They are the first ones to jump on the bandwagon to blame pirates "stealing" imaginary dollars from the poor artists, where the hell are they when a label is doing it?
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:04pm

It almost makes you think that the attack on "piracy" by labels is an attempt to exaggerate their losses and highlight fan "theft" to distract artists from the labels own actions to steal much more directly from them.
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Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:11pm

That's not just A Few Coins. Sony, who is nothing but a Hustler, screwed him over Just The Same Way they do other artists, but After All These Years, Karma caught up with them. Now Sony is crying like a Little Girl, and With a Tear falling down their cheek, they cry it is a World Gone Wild they can't get away with this. Now other artists will be coming to Nickel and Dime them to death.

Don't Stop Believing that they'll get what is coming to them, and they'll soon be giving out checks Anyway You Want It.
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RD, 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:13pm

Comment #2 and #3
Comments #2 and #3 hit the nose right on the head. The labels themselves have proven over and over again to be a bigger problem to artists and sales and royalties than anything else.

Piracy is not the problem.
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Robert (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:25pm

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Oh yeah? And how much money does the Pirate Bay pay artists again? How much of it's 10's of millions of dollars each month that it earns from ad revenues does it give to the artists?

The labels gave this man some money, not enough, but not enough is greater than zero!

/1st attempt to act like a troll - How'd I do?
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:31pm

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Don't Stop Believing

:-###..
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Zakida Paul (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:32pm

Re: Re:
Not bad, but you forgot to mention pirate Mike and pay walls :)
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:Lobo Santo (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:33pm

Re: Re: Needs a catchy title!
Needs a catchy title!

Also, a couple more unprovable but true-sounding assertions couldn't hurt.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:39pm

Nobody fucks artists like record labels.
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fogbugzd (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:55pm

How long before the labels run to Congress to get relief from paying artists what they are owed? I suspect it will happen right before there is an avalanche of artist lawsuits on the verge of going against them.
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ebilrawkscientist (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:57pm

Labels Stink.
Its past time to cut the middle men "labels" out and establish your own spearheaded by the Artists themselves; preferably a well oiled coalition cell of established Artisans, be it music, movies or books or what have you and spread the love.

Let the big incumbent labels stew in their own juices when they realize Artists can be smart and inovative enough to establish their own public relations machina, virtual storefronts that aren't dictated to by the RIAA or MPAA. That is unless you want to contribute to the problem of imaginary theivery from both ends where profit goes directly into the court systems.
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Vog (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 3:59pm

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Fucking incredible
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 4:07pm

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I love you so hard right now.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2012 @ 4:18pm

It's amazing that no real trolls have come in to comment. Must be hiding under the bridge.

Funny how that works.
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Colin, 13 Aug 2012 @ 4:26pm

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I'm trying to figure out a way to slow clap over the Internet...
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 5:39pm

Re: Re:
You also needed to cite an unverifiable report from the cartels showing proof of the 10's of billions they were making.

Oh and it never hurts to blame Google as well.
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MahaliaShere (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 5:39pm

Response to: Anonymous Coward on Aug 13th, 2012 @ 4:18pm
They're still doing battle in the previous articles about Google.
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lucidrenegade (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 5:43pm

Re: Re: Re:
Bonus points for mentioning how it takes $100 million to make a movie.
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lucidrenegade (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 5:45pm

Re: Re:
Here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDXPNsnIks4
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anon, 13 Aug 2012 @ 7:00pm

MPAA
Ok this is now where the artist need to get together and ask the MPAA why they are not investigating the labels, is it not the artists they are supposed to be protecting.

This could be used to blow them out of the water legally as if they are not prepared to fight the labels for the artists then they are only there to protect the billionaires that are stealing from them.

I hope that more is said about this , I hope it is talked about and written about and discussed in the media and the MPAA is forced to admit they are not interested in the artists, only the rich bastards that are blatantly stealing from them.

If they do not do something to find all and I do mean all of the money stolen from artists they have no defence and should have no right to say they are fighting for the artists, they are fighting for big business, and there right to steal from the artists.

I am not very good at writing articles but I hope Mike that you read my attempt to put words together and decide to investigate the MPAA in this manor or at least get people discussing it.
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nasch, 13 Aug 2012 @ 7:07pm

Re: MPAA
the organization you're thinking of is the RIAA. And they are never going to fight against the labels, because the labels are their members. It would be like NATO attacking the UK.
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G Thompson (profile), 13 Aug 2012 @ 10:15pm

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Maybe they couldn't find the money to pay for the Journey this time ;
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PaulT (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 12:38am

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At least we've been spared the sight of their naked hypocrisy this time. In case you're not aware, this is where the ACs usually come in and start blathering on about how the artist signed a contract, so any way they get screwed under that contract is fair game. That's their justification in cases like this - and they don't seem to comprehend why this is wrong nor why this practice is part of their industry's current problems.

But, they've probably been too obsessed with trashing Google in other articles to bother with that particular line of attack here. They'll be back in the next such article.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2012 @ 12:46am

He seems to have taken a long time to wake up to this. Last time I checked, that amount of money gets my attention faster than 20 years after the fact.

I am starting to wonder if it's a case of past music people thinking they can lead the courts by showing them about "hollywood accounting", without really truly justifying the amounts.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2012 @ 12:47am

He seems to have taken a long time to wake up to this. Last time I checked, that amount of money gets my attention faster than 20 years after the fact.

I am starting to wonder if it's a case of past music people thinking they can lead the courts by showing them about "hollywood accounting", without really truly justifying the amounts.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2012 @ 3:09am

such a shame that the politicians that keep coming down against 'file sharing' cant see that all they are doing is keeping the labels and the execs going, not the artists. if the truth were known, 99% of artists are not on the labels side. the reality is it is the labels that keep getting supported that are the thieves, not the file sharing public or file sharing sites. it is just that those labels have deeper pockets and are better at bullshit and lies than ordinary people. to now say they want the US government to help them shut down TPB and others is bollocks. they have had that help for years. it is just that the truth has come out because of the fuck up over the Mega case and they are now trying to say that they want help, rather than that they have had help all along. the trouble with a lie is, the one that follows always has to be bigger than the preceding one. eventually, the lie is so great that absolutely no one can be convinced it is the truth. then the consequences become severe!
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2012 @ 3:34am

and thick politicians still think that they have to keep rewriting the law to support these lying fuckers rather than looking at what is actually going on. it's the labels themselves that are robbing artists, not those that share music etc with friends and family. customers have made it clear that they are perfectly prepared to pay sensible money if they can get what they ask for. yet again, it's those same labels that refuse to cater for customers. they say there are a multitude of legitimate sources available, but they forget to mention that no sources has all the options and that people would have to join multiple sites and ridiculous expense to get all the options. listen to customers. give what is asked for in one place instead of what you think is wanted.
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Ninja (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 4:25am

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Bravo! You, sir, are a genius.
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Ninja (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 4:29am

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Oh and it never hurts to blame Google as well.

I think Chris Dodd has a picture of Google's logo with the writings "Anti-Christ" attached to it where he practices with darts. So actually blaming Google should award any trolling attempt several troll points after all it's a direct attack against the devil. /lol
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anon, 14 Aug 2012 @ 5:12am

Money money money kaching...
If all the artists got together and worked out a plan of attack where they individually demanded all money owing to them it could actually take down the likes of Sony with demands for money they have already spent on the houses and cars ans whores and drugs.
The problem the labels have is that they cannot just claim bankruptcy as it is theft and if anything all assets of those involved can be seized to pay the money due to the artists. Now this would be a nice court case to follow, if it happened.
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That One Guy (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 6:48am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Really? I would have figured it would be 'Anti-Chris', that guy is way to self centered to care about some guy with a similar name as him, at least as long as he's not slipping Dodd 'donations'.
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The eejit (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 8:23am

Re: Re: MPAA
No, it would be like Obama sending out the Guard to deal with them uppity Democrats.
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The eejit (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 8:27am

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If I recall correctly, the audit was only published last year, even though it was done many years ago.
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Niall (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 8:45am

Re: Re: Re: MPAA
Stop giving the GOTP fap material ;)
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jupiterkansas (profile), 14 Aug 2012 @ 8:51am

Re: MPAA
The RIAA represents the recording industry, not the artists. The Recording Industry Association of America. They will back up the record labels 100%.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2012 @ 11:24am

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Why did he wait that long? Honestly, if my payments on something that big get even a few months behind, I am getting busy to track it down. Journey was hot in the 80s. It's 30 freaking years later. Did he lose his motorola brick cell phone and couldn't call?
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Vog (profile), 16 Aug 2012 @ 5:07pm

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Actually, I like this comment so much, I'm making it the first word retroactively.
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Motown Hater, 9 Jan 2013 @ 11:23am

Heartless Bastards
I myself was signed to Motown Records in 1990 and they dropped the group i was in called Seville the former B.A.D band we were dropped from the label with no phone call or letter while they owed us six figures. We we're a number one independent group in many states when they did this to us, I hope that they burn in hell with their curupt money. This was so painful to us that i don't wish this treatment on even my worse enemies.
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Chipper41 (profile), 10 May 2013 @ 11:25am

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Well here is another producer of Sony artists who has consistently been underpaid for many years . Sony have never denied mistakes but just have delayed and obfuscated .

In this case the proofs are that Sony have paid out on mechanicals to the publishing Company but have not paid out corresponding producer royalties .....the producer is the writer!!!!!!!

Both incorrect royalty rates and underpayment of proven sales apply in this cases,,,,,
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