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Apple/Samsung Verdict Advertising Samsung As A Viable Alternative To iPads & iPhones

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Mon, Aug 27th 2012 1:01pm — Mike Masnick

From early on in the Apple/Samsung dispute, I pointed out that Apple's reaction really seemed to indicate to the world that Samsung's devices were the ones they were most scared of. And, of course, for those looking for alternatives, it was possible that it would act as really, really good advertising for Samsung. It's still early, but there's some anecdotal evidence that the verdict only emphasized that fact even more. Via Mashable, we learn of a post from Enrique Guitierrez, who was in a Starbucks over the weekend and overheard people talking about the verdict -- and they seemed to indicate that it was making them more interested in buying Samsung products:

Guy: "Wait, so what they're saying is, Samsung is the same as Apple?"
Friend: "I know, right? Makes me think twice about how much I paid for my Mac Book"
Guy: "Seriously"

Not 10 minutes later, a husband and wife, same newspaper:

Husband: "... Samsung's iPad is the same as Apple's iPad, and I paid how much for the Apple one? Honey, I told you they were a ripoff", after looking up the Samsung tablet on his iPhone.
Wife: "Oh wow," looking at the screen, "... that's a lot cheaper. Think we can return it?"

Those aren't the only examples in the post either. He notes that these people don't understand the details, but they seem to have gotten the message that Samsung makes at least an equivalent product for a lot less money... and that's making them a lot more interested in Samsung. Once again, it makes you wonder why Apple didn't just focus on competing in the marketplace, where they had a tremendous brand advantage.

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Filed Under: advertisements, android, galaxy, ios, ipad, iphone, patents
Companies: apple, samsung

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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:11pm

Goodbye Apple! I was trying to deciding between an ipad or the galaxy tab. But you've made this such an easy choice now.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:15pm

Ok. I have to admit. That is just awesome. THAT is how you spin a crippling legal defeat into a marketing win. "Samsung: 9 out of 9 jurors agree, our cheaper products are just as good as Apples overpriced products!"
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:15pm

and i dont think the verdict has done Android much harm either. all the talk about people going over to windows 8 phones is simply that, talk. no one in their right mind is going to go for that shit, surely?
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fogbugzd (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:17pm

Apple's suit was based on Steve Jobs visceral hatred of Android rather than business logic. As the saying goes, "When you look for revenge, start by digging two graves."
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:20pm

I'm so disappointed over the verdict that the idea of buying a Galaxy phone has actually crossed my mind, just to support Samsung a little bit. I have no real use for a smartphone, though :(
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KelvinZevallos (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:21pm

About the note, I agree. This can be a great advertising opportunity for Samsung.

Also, why Apple chose suing? Given their size and position in the market, possibly it has grown so big that it's now afraid to lose that position, hence using the legal system as a threat (almost like bullying).

What actually leaves me thinking is... why does the USA's legal system enters into this game, to the point that it even seems to encourage it?
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ottonomy (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:23pm

I think it's not surprising lawsuits to stop competition make a company look weak and worried. I'm not sure how deep the sentiment this blogger noticed goes, but it makes a lot of sense for a customer to think:

"If Apple is that scared about the competition, there must be something consumers would want in there... I better take a look."
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:24pm

This should just point out
Even though you may be legally correct (assuming the jury cock-up doesn't change anything), that doesn't necessarily mean you should sue.
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sehlat (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:28pm

The key word here is "had".
As in "HAD a brand advantage." I'm due for a phone upgrade in about a month, and I'm going to be looking *seriously* at switching to a Samsung, particularly since all my indispensable apps (HanDbase, Stanza, Sky.fm) have Android counterparts.
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sehlat (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:33pm

Re:
Heh. Looks like Jobs' slot is taken.
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Rick, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:33pm

Re:
I'm not in the market for a new phone, but I just bought two Samsung 256GB SSDs over the weekend. I went with the Samsung drives to support them in their fight against Apple.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:36pm

Re:
I highly recommend the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 (I don't come up with the names for these things so don't look at me like that.)

It's got the familiar Touchwiz that Samsung throws on everything, yet has enough oomph in it to give other similar products a run for their money. More so when you consider for $250 you can get the "student edition" at Best Buy. Which is the tablet, along with a dockable keyboard and usb peripheral (to allow you to connect any usb device to it, which being based on Android 4.0 will allow you to read ANY usb device connected from a flash drive to an external hard drive).

Also, it's insanely easy to root and replace the system entirely with something else. Cyanogenmod 9 is stable for the device, and CM10 (based on Jelly Bean) is out in nightlies for it. Both of which are remarkable and feature the "stock" Android user interface, as opposed to Samsung's Touchwiz.

Just my two cents as an Android user/rooter.
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Mak, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:38pm

curiosity (customers) killed the cat (Apple) who instead purchased Samsung products
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:42pm

"Husband: "... Samsung's iPad is the same as Apple's iPad, and I paid how much for the Apple one? Honey, I told you they were a ripoff", after looking up the Samsung tablet on his iPhone.
Wife: "Oh wow," looking at the screen, "... that's a lot cheaper. Think we can return it?" "

And people wonder where customer confusion comes into play.

Mike Mansick I think this only proves that Apple's brand has become what are known as "adhesive bandage strips"....otherwise known under the brand name Band-Aid.

I also think its rather telling of the similarities in outward appearance between the two "competing" products.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:44pm

Re: Re:
Actually, I take it back. Best bang for your beck, if you want to spend as little as possible would be the 16 GB Nexus 7. In fact, on a majority of tech sites, that would be best product period. I've seen it on "budget" lists as well as "high end" lists.

Also hacker friendly and an insane device (in a good way) overall. But go with Samsung if you want to show them support.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:45pm

Re:
In other words, it still allows Samsung a fighting chance because people associate their products with Apple.....wait....what? Someone help explain that logic please :-)
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:49pm

Re:
"And people wonder where customer confusion comes into play."

It's less a matter of customer confusion and more a matter of being a generic term. iPad has such visibility, that segments of the population will identify ANY tablet as an iPad.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:50pm

Win =fail.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:50pm

Re: Re:
So you wanted to support a company who "lost a lot of money in legal fees" who makes a yearly estimate of $11-billion US and is worth just over 100-billion in liquid assets and shares?
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:53pm

Re: Re:
Last week I bought a Samsung washer & dryer set for the same reason. Wait, no I actually bought them because Apple doesn't make appliances, but if they did they'd be awesome and Samsung would copy them.

/troll
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radarmonkey (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:53pm

of Apples and Oranges
I pity the poor electronics store clerk that has to explain to these sheeple that think Samsung and Apple are the same why they can't get to the iTunes appstore.

As with the poorly developed advertising during the Olympics points out, the above examples of current Apple users merely reinforces to us non-Apple users that Apple users are idiots.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:54pm

Re:
Ever deal with a person with pancreatic cancer? The person's bodies get insulin out the wazu because pancreatic cancer causes the process into overdrive making the insulin in your system skyrocket and thus your blood sugar levels plummit.....in other words it makes you irrational and cranky.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:55pm

Re:
answer: company who "lost a lot of money in legal fees"

aka, court costs
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 1:57pm

Re: Re: Re:
Personally I like the 8GB model for another fifty less For my own use. I'm not storing content, and I can remove and reinstall apps if I ever had to.
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kyle clements (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:02pm

Re: Re:
For this very reason, we must insist on calling the Apple branded iPads "Mac's iPads", thus eliminating any possible confusion between apple products and anything else on the market.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:03pm

Re: of Apples and Oranges
I would say they are more along the lines of to much pride in the fact they already bought the device and don't want to be wrong.

Very few people can look at tech purchases objectively. It is how pretty is this, how many apps does it have, how can I gloat about I have and my friends have not.

Apple had done a very good job of saying look at this and how pretty it is, buy it.

Statistically though, you are more likely to come across a Windows OS then any other (even Vista), not counting Symbian of course.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:04pm

Re: Re:
"It's less a matter of customer confusion and more a matter of being a generic term."

Agreed :-)

Two things to say to that, and thank you for helping clear the fuzz out of my mind I am very grateful :-)

1. I can easily cite an example of becoming a generic term....Band-Aid.
2. This means Apple may have won the marketing game.
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Forest_GS (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:05pm

If apple wanted to compete, we would already have round smartphones.
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reboog711 (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:05pm

Re:
Has anyone been talking about moving to Windows 8 phones?

That said; I have a friend who runs an iPhone dev conference and he says a lot of his customers are watching Windows Phone very closely. If MS can get consumers to care; I suspect developers will follow.
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Lord Binky, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:08pm

Re:
How is it even possible those different brands of adhesive bandages come in the same shapes or use rectangular patches in their center, I thought the US patent system was supposed to prevent this from happening and therefore protect something.
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FormerAC (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:10pm

Google+ link is blank page
Am I the only one who has trouble with Google+ links? Using Chrome. when I click the link, I get a blank page. If I refresh, I see the article blink, but end up with a blank page.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:15pm

I don't know how ripping off a competitor is innovation.
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Gary, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:23pm

Re: Re:
Have to agree I have a Samsung Galaxy S and a Toshiba tablet
and am extremely happy with both, Toshiba has Jelly Bean.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:27pm

Re: of Apples and Oranges
These "sheeple" you refer to are just average consumers who, by means of simple psychological association and are not as technologically enclined as most of us here are, refer to all tablets as iPads. Apple's brand product the iPad has become a generic term, that's all.

Also, the iPad isn't the first brand product who has been used as a generic term. Johnson and Johnson Pharmaceuticals created the adhesive bandage we all call Band-Aids.

It's a sort of win for both because it means that while Apple gets marketed and engrained into our culture even more, Samsung gets sales.
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:31pm

Re: Re:
When someone says something like "Wait, Samsung tables are the same as the iPad" it shows that they didn't think the tablets were on the same level. The way they say it suggests they originally thought the iPad was top of the line, second to none (also shows that they weren't confused by the similarities, as Apple had suggested). Now that Apple themselves are saying that Samsung is too similar in both software and hardware, people start thinking that the iPad may not be second to none, that Samsung may have a top of the line device.

If Apple themselves are afraid of this lower tier tablet competing with their "godly" tablet, maybe it's not a lower tier after all.

So, it's not that they associate a Samsung with an Apple, but that they now see them as equal quality (time will tell on that one).
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:32pm

Re: Re: Re:
"2. This means Apple may have won the marketing game."

Actually when they have to start calling them Apple Brand Ipads, they have lost the marketing game because consumers are now buying emachines tablets and bitching about how their ipad sucks.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:32pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Well that is a rather useless comma.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:35pm

Re: Google+ link is blank page
Might be a bad Google+ link. A lot of people make the mistake of not removing a part of the link which is actually their G+ username/id and thus it leads nowhere for everyone else.

Actually, after having just checked it myself in Firefox and Chrome, it might just be you/your Chrome. It loaded right up for me.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:36pm

Re: Re:
I should elaborate that. Steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer at the time of his edict against Google, so I'm pretty sure he did not know entirely what he was saying. For those who don't know, pancreatic cancer makes you ultra cranky and sometimes irrational in thought.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:39pm

Re: Re: Re:
That's actully a very good point.
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Colin Davidson (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:40pm

Why are Apple suing rather than competing? Maybe...
Because the only times that Apple has successfully innovated is when Steve jobs was in control. Which isn't the case at the moment. And never will be again.
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:43pm

Re:
Don't know ether, but that's Apple's marketing department for you.
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Shmerl, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:54pm

Once again, it makes you wonder why Apple didn't just focus on competing in the marketplace

Well, what can you expect from those who even according to the judge use crack before engaging in legal dealings.
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Shmerl, 27 Aug 2012 @ 2:57pm

Re:
Didn't they rather propose hexagonal?
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Suspicion (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:32pm

Apple is not only effectively competing in the marketplace (60+% share) BUT they also just won an award of $1 Billion (straight to the bottom line) AND Apple will most likely get an injunction against Samsung meaning those products will soon be off the market. How can Samsung market a cheaper product than Apple - easy - rip off Apple features instead of investing R&D dollars to make an even better product.
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Tom, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:35pm

Apple vs Samsung
People, it is not about the hardware, it is about IOS vs Ice Cream Sandwich!
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:36pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Same here. I don't use it for music (have phone for that) or watching movies, so 16 gb model would have been wasted on me, but the 8 gig model works perfect for my needs.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:50pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Same here. I don't use it for music (have phone for that) or watching movies, so 16 gb model would have been wasted on me, but the 8 gig model works perfect for my needs.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:53pm

Re:
Apple has less than 50% of the smartphone market share (this is verifiable, where you got your 60% share figure from I can't guess but it's nowhere near current or accurate). And the injunction is, again, against Samsung products that are outdated or have already been discontinued. (Again, this is verifiable.)

Also, with the exception of user interface "features", nothing was ripped off. Samsung built upon the Android OS, which is itself in no way infringing on Apple patents. Also worth pointing out is that Samsung has made a better product in the Samsung Galaxy S III. You may have heard of it. It's that smartphone which destroyed all previous pre-order records (some of which were held by Apple). Oh, and it is a far superior, not too mention BETTER, product.

But let's not anything like facts and ACTUAL figures get in the way of a biased comment. Am I right?
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:53pm

Re: Re:
I've just sold my house to support Samsung in their fight. I bundled my TV with it, which is a Samsung, but I've kept my iPad.

/confused
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Shmerl, 27 Aug 2012 @ 3:57pm

Re:
Apple didn't really win anything yet, thing all the stuff will be appealed anyway.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:04pm

Re:
good grief... you are making apple's case... if people are actually confusing Apple and Samsung products, that's what you DON'T want to have happen and is the basis for Apple's case ugh... [facepalm]
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:06pm

Re:
the cheaper products are not as good as apple's which is why they had to rip off apple... techdirt and readers reach new personal best in missing the entire point... [facepalm]
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:08pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
oh lord... this place is the like the rush limbaugh comedy hour of the internet/tech community... wow, just wow...
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sehlat (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:09pm

Re: Re: Re:
And that was different from his daily behavior how?
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ltlw0lf (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:10pm

Re: Re: Re:
Have to agree I have a Samsung Galaxy S and a Toshiba tablet and am extremely happy with both, Toshiba has Jelly Bean.

You can install Jelly Bean on Samsung too. I don't believe they have an OTA for it yet (I don't know for sure, as mine is rooted and running Cyanogenmod 9.) I believe That Anonymous Coward had Jelly Bean running on his.
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ltlw0lf (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:11pm

Re: Re:
good grief... you are making apple's case... if people are actually confusing Apple and Samsung products, that's what you DON'T want to have happen and is the basis for Apple's case ugh... [facepalm]

I believe confusion is a trademark issue, not a patent one.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:19pm

Re: Re:
I don't come up with the names for these things so don't look at me like that.

Take a look at the awesome Android Phone Name Generator.

Warning: may induce uncontrollable fits of laughter.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:21pm

I wouldn't give my worst enemy a product from CrApple.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:29pm

Re: Re:
It's kind of funny seeing this Apple fanboi post on all of the top comments.
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Suspicion (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:32pm

Re: Re:
Apple has a 60+% share of the tablet market (notice I didn't say iPad market).

Your statement that "nothing was ripped off" "with the exception of user interface features" is so blatantly nonsensical it is hard to believe one would write it. It is the user interface features that make the iPad and iPhone innovative.

Pre-order sales are not indicative of a better product. Pre-order sales just reflect a single moment in time order; it doesn't even measure market share. As to your contention that the Galaxy S III product is both far superior and BETTER: wow, it is probably also smarter and more intelligent. That was a sarcastic remark of me being redundant by repeating myself.

As to my posting a biased comment, please - I was just pointing out that Samsung would have been better investing R&D dollars than ripping of a competitor.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:46pm

Re: Re:
The word Band-Aid is trademarked and a brand name. I don't believe there is a patent on adhesive strips.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:47pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
I know this guy is satisfied with 8gb HAHAHAHAHa, what a baboon right!?!
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Alana (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:52pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
They're not doing an official release of the latest upgrades for the phone. The only way to get Ice Cream Sandwhich or Jelly Bean is through custom mods.

I'm running Cyanogenmod 9, and I'm pretty damn happy with it so far ^_^
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DinDaddy (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:55pm

Re: Google+ link is blank page
No, actually it's crashed my browser the three times I've tried to open it.
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JEDIDIAH, 27 Aug 2012 @ 4:58pm

More bang for the buck.
I tend to favor any device that has upgradeable storage.

The Galaxy Tab 2 fits this description and you can turn it into a 64G device with an after market upgrade. That makes it a VERY price competitive device when compared to others with similar amounts of storage.
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Alana (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:00pm

Re: Re: Re:
Apple built their entire company on ripping off competitors.
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JEDIDIAH, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:01pm

Ironic advertising
If the Samsung product is enough of a copy to be penalized, then by definition it is as good as an Apple product.

You really can't have both ways.

Either Samsung is an evil copyist or their product is distinctly inferior. You don't get both options. Logic only allows for one of those slanderous claims to be true at once.
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JEDIDIAH, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:08pm

Rome didn't fall in a day either.
> Apple has a 60+% share of the tablet market (notice I didn't say iPad market).

Just wait for the Galaxy S3 halo effect.

I saw this work firsthand in reverse in my own household. The 7 inch Galaxy Tab 2 is cheap enough to be an impulse buy. I bought it as a potential Archos replacement because Archos quality is crap.

The wife got ahold of it and took it. She stopped using the iPad and then stopped waiting for the iPad 5 and got a Galaxy S3 instead.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor did it fall in a single day either.

Apple is right to be afraid.
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JEDIDIAH, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:09pm

Re: Apple vs Samsung
Since each vendor can customize the product, you can't be certain that any vendor that is "punished" is being punished for Android in particular.

Consider this an effect of "fragmentation".
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:14pm

Re: Re: Re:
"Apple has a 60+% share of the tablet market (notice I didn't say iPad market)."

You should perhaps in that case, you know, MAKE SURE YOU CLARIFY THINGS. You had ONLY said the following: "Apple is not only effectively competing in the marketplace (60+% share)"

Secondly, how is it nonsensical to write that they ripped off nothing but the user interface?

" How can Samsung market a cheaper product than Apple - easy - rip off Apple features instead of investing R&D dollars to make an even better product."

That is what you said, but they didn't rip off any Apple features. They merely took cues from Apple's user interface, which isn't itself a feature. A feature would be something like Siri's voice recognition ability, which can have a message dictated to it and then "write" it for you. That's a feature. A user interface is a user interface.

"Pre-order sales are not indicative of a better product. Pre-order sales just reflect a single moment in time order; it doesn't even measure market share."

No, but they are indicative that there is a market for said product, meaning that product has something that people want going for it.

Also, it DOES NOT measure market share. I never said a pre-order does. It does however get compared to previous pre-order sales. As in, how did it stack up to the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, etc.? And in this case, it surpassed their pre-order sales.

"As to my posting a biased comment, please - I was just pointing out that Samsung would have been better investing R&D dollars than ripping of a competitor."

Indeed, and they went on to invest R&D dollars and create a product that the market obviously very much wanted, and thus the Samsung Galaxy S III was created.

You see, it's really easy to try and twist things around. Which you just attempted on me. It's quite another to state things, and then get annoyed when people call you out on the facts, which is what I did to you. There's this thing, called "specifics" or "details". You should try looking them up and making sure to insert them into your comment before someone calls you out.

Also, your sarcasm is seriously lacking. I'd get that checked if I were you. Wouldn't want someone to one up you or something, kind of like how Apple gets to have outdated products taken off the market which'll affect... oh wait, what's that you say? Most weren't even being sold anymore and the handful (all of 8 out of 22) that were were basically bottom tier devices that already have superior and newer replacement items on store shelves? THE HELL YOU SAY?! (See, that's proper sarcasm.)

Hey, it's been fun. It's not every day I get to match wits with Apple supporters, it's not necessarily a treat/challenge but still... doesn't happen every day. And sorry to say, you weren't just trying to point out what you claim to. If you were, you could've easily stated so. No, you were trying to take a shot at Samsung and you did a bad job of it.

Also, it's interesting how they were "ripping off a competitor", yet I've NEVER since smartphones came to be sold heard someone say, "Hey, this isn't an iPhone!" Contrary to unpopular opinion, people usually know what they're buying when they buy it. There's this thing, called the internet. Available to the majority of people in one way, shape or form. You can use it to research products. Even the least technologically skilled of people can use it. You type a word like "iPhone" or "Samsung Galaxy S" into a box and it'll give you information. GASP! It's like magic!
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Suspicion (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:17pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
I am not advocating Apple or it's products; just commenting on what happens when a competitor decides to rip off a competitor's IP (and then loses).

I hope your comment isn't that because Apple ripped off competitors (a viewpoint not proven in a court of law) that it is okay for others to ripoff Apple.
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Jim McGinn, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:30pm

I have all 3 of the i pads( yes I know shot me now). Just upgraded the phone to the Galaxy 3s. Cause it's as good or better and Apple pissed me off.

FYI Apple, "winning" is not we won. Ask Charlie Sheen.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:46pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Depends on what phone you have. The Nexus S already has Jelly Bean in some areas of the world, but both the Nexus S (U.S. variant) and the Nexus S 4G (Spring variant) WILL get Jelly Bean, that's confirmed. (Although, if you can't wait you can get Jelly Bean already, very usable. In fact, I was running it as a daily driver on my NS4G for a month. Switched back to CM9, not really sure why.)

CM9 though is pretty damn great. Jelly Bean's "butter" is more noticeable on older phones. On newer devices you can't tell the difference use-wise between ICS and JB.
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Suspicion (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:50pm

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That is the longest non-answer I have ever seen. I am not sure what points you are even trying to make.
1) There was no need to clarify - you interpreted my statement as all things made by Apple.
2)A user interface includes two finger item sizing on the screen. Taking cues is different than ripping off patented features.
3)You stated "that Samsung has made a better product in the Samsung Galaxy S III" and based that belief on the amount of pre-order sales. I agree that pre-order sales are indicative of market interest but it is not proof of a better product.
4) If they did invest R&D dollars to make an improved product in the Galaxy III; then, as I suggested, perhaps they should have done that the first time around and saved themselves the cost of an IP trial and a $1 Billion settlement against them.
5) Your sarcasm comment (lol) I don't even know what you are trying to say?!

As to matching wits - please. First, try to put a coherent statement together and then keep the rambling passion out of it - the CAPS get tiring.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:55pm

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Pancreatic cancer basically shoots more insulin into your system than needed. That lowered his blood sugar level which in turn made him hypoglycemic. Bottom line he got extra cranky and irrational as most people do only 100 fold. The pain from it also has a lot to do with it.

So we have 2 things effecting his behacior, low blood sugar level and high insulin, and pain.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 5:56pm

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*behavior
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 6:15pm

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Wouldn't that be a Macsipad?
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 6:18pm

Re: Rome didn't fall in a day either.
Every avalanche begins with one small pebble, Grasshopper.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 7:32pm

Re: Ironic advertising
Samsung made enough money on those near copies to pay the piddling billion dollar penalty and not feel it even if the judge adjusts it up.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 7:42pm

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Can we agree that it could almost be seen as the Band-Aid effect?
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 7:43pm

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Not a problem ^_^ I got what you meant :-)
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Divide by Zero (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 7:53pm

Re: Why are Apple suing rather than competing? Maybe...
Because the only times that Apple has successfully got to market first is when Steve jobs was in control. Which isn't the case at the moment. And never will be again.

FTFY
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G Thompson (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 7:59pm

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You mean it's going to stop working 1 week out of every four and demand chocolate?

*slowly and quietly sneaks away*
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 8:07pm

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My issue is I can barely find a use for an 8 gigabyte nexus. Other than occasionally surfing the web an ebooks, its damn near useless to me. Plus if I ever did need more space, there are plenty of options for upgrading, esp with root access.

Spending the extra 50 was a pointless excersize in wasting money. If I wanted to waste my money on useless tech, I would have bought an Apple product.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 8:11pm

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My issue is I can barely find a use for an 8 gigabyte nexus. Other than occasionally surfing the web an ebooks, its damn near useless to me. Plus if I ever did need more space, there are plenty of options for upgrading, esp with root access.

Spending the extra 50 was a pointless excersize in wasting money. If I wanted to waste my money on useless tech, I would have bought an Apple product.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 8:23pm

Re: Re: Apple vs Samsung
I'm just going to throw this out there about fragmentation in market. I'm not sure how to put it without sounding snarky, please understand that's not my intent.

Before Steve Jobs returned to Apple in 1997, Apple had gone through (and was still in) a phase very much similar to what Google is doing now with Android. They offered a license to companies who offered to manufacture Apple compatible computers. Some of them (PowerComputing, DayStar Digital) offered their products at a fraction of the official Apple brand products. Some even offered multiple processor cores in their systems and still cost less than the entire setup. It got to a point where nobody bought an Apple Product. Apple ended up being worth literally ~$90US.
The only thing that saved them was Jobs' habit of investing in Venture Capital during his Absence....this included Pixar and neXT Compter systems...He came back and poured his own money into the company to get it going again.

My point is that Google has a lot of fragmentation in allowing Android being able to be edited by different pieces of hardware providers. Apple allowed their OS the same sort of freedoms, their clones.

I over-worry so maybe I am wrong, but the pattern is still there. The difference is it will take longer for the same to happen to the Droid market.
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AzureSky (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:27pm

Re:
what did one cancer cell say to the other cancer cell?

lets get jobs.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:33pm

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I just shot my neighbor's dog to support Samsung.

I was going to do that anyway, but the added attraction of supporting Samsung in their legal fight against the evil Apple empire just made it that more attractive.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:37pm

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"It's not every day I get to match wits with Apple supporters..."

Let us know when you actually do that.
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AzureSky (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:38pm

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if these dont get "funny" awards....somethings very wrong with the world.
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:40pm

Re:
Who let the 12 year old in here?
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AzureSky (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:48pm

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jobs admitted more then once that apple and himself stole great idea's, apple hasnt innovated since the IIe days, everything else they have done was an idea stolen from somebody else.

even the IIe wasnt really a "new" idea, it was just taking what was out there, and finding a way to make an affordable computer for the masses.....

http://youtu.be/CW0DUg63lqU

he flat out admits he and apple are thieves.

apple takes other peoples ideas/work and create idiot friendly/pretty versions of them.....apple didnt create the first smart phone, hell I know people who had plam trio's that are much older then the first iphone.....they suck but they are older.....the ipad came long after gates showed off a tablet running windows.....the ipod is just an idiot friendly locked down mp3 player.....i mean i could go on and on.....

what really bugs me about apple isnt apple, its their users who are, enlarge proud to be ignorant of how the system they use works even in the slightest way, not long ago, i had a fellow bring me a macbook pro that was loaded down with malware shit.....it was horrible, he kept insisting it wasnt possible because that cant happen on apple....after spending a full day cleaning it up (Because he wouldnt just let me backup his data and reinstall) i got the porn dialers and scareware and other crap off the unit

just to have him refuse to pay.....after signing a contract saying he would.....his wife came in about 20min later, asked what the trouble was, got a look of pure fury on her face, paid me(with a nice bonus) and walked out to have a talk with her idiot hubby, after telling me she had quit using mac's for work after they moved to the intel platform because, windows was just as good or better for her work now.....

cant tell you how many mac users i have dealt with who view their mac as a "magic box".....havent really met any windows/linux/exct users who are that deluded..... and i have looked!!!
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AzureSky (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 9:53pm

Re: Re: Why are Apple suing rather than competing? Maybe...
apple never has innovated, and never will....they steal from other companies
http://youtu.be/CW0DUg63lqU
jobs flat out admits thats what he does....

i guess you could call the apple IIe(appleII in general) innovation in that, they found a way to make an affordable system that most people could use back then.....but they wherent the first to make a pc....they just made it more userfriendly and affordable.

apple are thieves, its what they always have been, its what they will always be......its why i have less respect for apple then MS at least ms have innovated on occation, and at least they dont pretend they are constantly innovating.....they arent my favorite company(note even close) but at least under gates MS was known to do things to shake up the computing world.....(windows 95 for example....cant tell you how much that shook up the market, i was a young(well younger) tech then....talk about a shock to the system for people use to macos or windows 3.x/dos, sure it had issues, but hell, i never had more issues with 9x(outside ME) then with mac OS 6-9...(horrible os....only nice thing was how easy it was to reinstall the core os....)
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 10:22pm

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Lord Binky you raise a very good question. The only way I can answer is that Johnson & Johnson (creators of Band-Aid brand) at one point recognized the benefits of having a product as a generic term.
I will check Wikipedia and get back to you :-)

The brand "Band-Aid" is associated will all adhesive bandage strips. No matter what generic companies call them.
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 10:30pm

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"Band-Aid is a brand name of American pharmaceutical and medical devices giant Johnson & Johnson's line of adhesive bandages and related products. It has also become a genericized trademark for any adhesive bandage in the United States, Australia, Brazil, Canada and India.[1]

The term "Band-aid" has also entered usage as both a noun and verb describing a temporary fix. (e.g. "Band-aid solutions were used to fix the leak.")
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Wally (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 11:00pm

Re: Re: Re: Why are Apple suing rather than competing? Maybe...
I'm sort of at a loss for words on how to respond to this but I'll try my best.

The video is about Xerox PARC and how the IDEA to use a GUI was stolen. Steve Jobs worked at Xerox PARC and the very bits of code he programmed onto his terminal prevented the mouse cursor from flying off-screen and MacOS was the first operating system with that in a GUI.

Another Apple innovation people seem to skip is TrueType Fonts. Apple liscensed it to Microsoft for windows 3.1, Windows 95, and 9X. We still use TrueType font today.

MacOS was originally developed around what you would find upon your average office desktop in the early mid-80's.
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techflaws (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 11:38pm

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There's nothing patent-worthy in a rectangle with rounded edges. [facepalm]
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techflaws (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 11:42pm

Re: Re: Ironic advertising
Still doesn't entitle Apple to get the money.
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techflaws (profile), 27 Aug 2012 @ 11:57pm

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Taking cues is different than ripping off patented features.

None of which should have been patentable in the first place since they were

a) obvious
b) based on prior art

which the jury - by their own admission - happily chose to ignore cause it was "bogging them down".
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PCCare247 (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 3:11am

Apple facing tough competition
Apple is going to face tough competition from Samsung. Good news. We can get same quality products at lower price.
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Niall (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 4:56am

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They aren't confusing one product with another, they have been told by crApple that the competitor's brand is 'so identical' to theirs as to be a massive 'infringement'. But the competitor's brand is much cheaper and uses a friendlier ecosystem...
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 5:00am

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I had no idea maxipads ate chocolate. Or anything at all for that matter.
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Niall (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 5:10am

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But was your neighbour's dog called Apple? Or maybe Pippin?
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Niall (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 5:19am

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You got a problem with the older kids being here? :)
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AzureSky (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 6:51am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why are Apple suing rather than competing? Maybe...
so your saying apple invented the font.......rather then just evolving the idea into something better/easier?

from my view of this, apple evolved the idea, but they didnt come up with fonts, also if you call this innovation then you must consider what MS and other companies have done to expand truetype and other font types to be innovation.....

again I stand by "apple dont innovate they evolve" they evolve other companies/peoples ideas, and jobs still admitted he was a thief and his statement was clearly not just about parc but about ideas in general.
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 8:13am

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Rush is a noted and dedicated Apple user.
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 8:16am

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You've sold your bundle to BUY the damn ipad... That's why you're confused...
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 8:29am

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I thought you knew everything... Your comments are everywhere on this blog...
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Jeremy Lyman (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 8:29am

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I actually did just order a Galaxy SII on Sunday, not really because of the suit, but I can't be sure if the equation was effected by a potential ban on the SII. Get 'em while you can!
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crashsuit (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 10:00am

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There are some really amazing-looking games these days for higher-end Android devices - World of Goo, N.O.V.A. 3, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Asphalt 7, Need For Speed, etc., but many of them will eat up between 150MB and 2GB of storage space. If you use your tablet for gaming, 8GB can fill up fast.
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 10:20am

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The only platform I play games on is PC, and then only occasionally. They don't make many games I like anymore.

Xcom Enemy Unknown will be a day one purchase though.
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LycanR1, 28 Aug 2012 @ 1:19pm

Trading on Margins
If you think Apple is scared, you have all rights to think so. Apple's 40% cut on apps, Apple's arrangements in music and video all depend on one thing -- content control. Technically any earnings out of Apple are all dependent on the iOS ecosystem. Anything jeopardizing it jeopardizes their stock value.

I'd be VERY cautious on Apple, they don't have business units that can be separated, everything is tightly dependent. There is little or no diversification in case consumer's wants and needs change. This case is evidence that Apple is in a fearful position now after Steve's passing.

These Starbucks comments make me wonder -- how long it can last.
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reboog711 (profile), 28 Aug 2012 @ 1:32pm

Re: Trading on Margins
I think you meant Apple's 30% cut on apps; they don't take a 40% cut.
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 2:08pm

In the Beginning...
There was the Apple ll.
It was 1981 and it was my first time...we all remember the first time, right?
there it was...a 14in green screen with 48k of ram, two drives of 5in floppy goodness and a little blinking cursor daring you to do something.
No more Pong on the TV. Now I had Choplifter and Rasterblaster and a proper joystick.
But now looking back, the biggest thing that I recall about that shiny new Apple was that there were no debate, no lawsuits,no techs,no infringement,no wireless,no PCs,no internet,no social media,no Microsoft (to speak of),no Linux,no Android,no Intel,no AMD, no blogs, no Google,no portable media, no call waiting, one area code for the entire state and AT&T was the evil empire.(somethings will never change),and Tweeting was still for the birds. The average person didn't have a clue about technology and were really excited if they had more than one Rotary dial phone in the house and a Color 19in console TV with a turntable built in! Media was consumed via TV, the Movie Theater, Radio, Vinyl, newspapers and magazines. If you spoke of anything digital people assumed you were having problems with your fingers.
I wound up getting caught up in the Windows verses Apple wars and went headfirst into the PC world.I would NEVER own another Apple product! They were too closed and over priced. PCs were cheaper, more open, and easy to work on and I developed the popular mindset (among tech types)that the only good Apple was a dead Apple.

The really big thing that I miss the most is quality customer service.
You used to be able to go in and sit down with someone and settle your differences. A handshake was all it took to get things set straight. Now customer service is all about upselling and upgrading, enforcing contracts and slowly milking the little mini cash cows that are herded about by that thing stuck to the side of their heads.
So when I decided to buy an iphone, it was an agonizing decision. I read, I researched, I asked questions.I doubted my PC and open source allegiance.I didn't sleep well and started eating too much junk food...I was but a shell of my former self.
So in 2009 I bit the bullet and bought a refurbished iphone 3g! (but I hung on to my Razr just in case)I also spent $75 and bought the Apple care package.
About 3 months into it I had trouble and called Apple to see about a fix, fully expecting a fight since my previous customer service experience had been mostly Verizon and AT&T, and it was (and still is) really bad.
Well imagine my surprise when I got a person who lives in the same country I do and understands my language!(and me, them) They actually listened to my complaint and responded with "no problem, we'll send you a new one.You should have it tomorrow"."How much" I grimaced."NO CHARGE",they responded.NO CHARGE! BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS ARE DONE!The next day, sure enough fedex pulled into the drive with my shiny new iphone.
What a class act!THAT IS CUSTOMER SERVICE!
That is why I have an iphone and will be soon be buying an ipad3. That's why I am willing to pay more.

I'm retired now but still do tech work for previous Clients (by phone mostly) and friends and family.

This whole thing about hating Apple and loving android is irrelevant and driven by obnoxious tech people that don't have a clue about the real world.If you want to debate the merits one OS or another, great.One would get the distinct impression though that the Android and Fanboi camps want to duke it out.Each camps says your a scumbag and lower than an emachine if you use...God forbid...that "other" OS.
What would you have us do? Have a different phone for each occasion?If you have a date with that hot executive from Apple you most definitely want to bring your iphone.(bringing along the ipad couldn't hurt either).If on the other hand she's from Google then a nice Samsung is always a good choice.See how stupid this is getting?

The average person is still clueless as well and they don't care if you like Android or Apple.
They want it to be really cool,have lots of great apps and only cost $200 with a two year contract and to 'just work'. Steve Jobs figured that out and built a multi billion dollar company in just a few short years.You gotta respect that no matter what.

My point of this Rambling stroll down Memory Lane is that I really love what Tech was...the enthusiasm, the creativity, anxiously waiting for the next new development, and the FUN!
JUST THE SHEER FUN OF IT!
But now the shiny newness has worn off and I don't like the new look.

But I still have my iphone...it was my first.

We all remember our first, right?
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Anonymous Coward, 28 Aug 2012 @ 9:03pm

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You fight fire with fire. What's unethical about that if your opponents are fighting with fire and no one gives two shits about it?
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NotSoFast, 29 Aug 2012 @ 6:09am

"Apple win whacks Android resale prices"
This story seems to drive a truck through your thesis here:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-win-whacks-android-resale-prices-2012-08-28

Since the $1.05 billion verdict Friday � which found that Samsung infringed on six Apple patents � customers of Samsung have been dumping their Android products on at least one major resale site. Gazelle.com reports a 50% increase in Samsung smartphones over the past three days, which has led to a 10% drop in prices for those devices. �Consumers seem to be jumping ship,� says Anthony Scarsella, chief gadget officer at Gazelle.com. �We expect this trend to continue, especially with this latest verdict.�

Some experts predict prices will continue to drop as Android phones flood the market. The court decision, they point out, is creating a lot of uncertainty about Android upgrades. The next generation of Samsung phones may be very different from those on the market today. Consumers get used to certain key features on their favorite smartphones � like the way apps are laid out or how they zoom in on pictures, experts say. �Android customers are no longer sure of that,� says Yung Trang, president of deal aggregator TechBargains.com.

So, perhaps the folks Guitierrez overheard weren't all that representative of the larger population, or smart enough to realize the full ramifications of Apple's win.

Though it sounds like they can find plenty of cheap used Samsung devices now, if they truly want them.
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Yoshord, 29 Aug 2012 @ 1:23pm

Re: Ironic advertising
The third option is that Samsung's product is distinctly superior, but I think Apple would like that option even less.
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montgoss (profile), 30 Aug 2012 @ 11:33am

Re: "Apple win whacks Android resale prices"
Maybe they're flooding the market because people are upgrading to the new Samsung Galaxy S3 and selling their old phones?
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Anonymous Coward, 2 Sep 2012 @ 10:31pm

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drink the apple kool-aid much?
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Rendy, 22 Apr 2014 @ 6:20am

big vs big. cool vs cool. i guess both of them are giant of gadgets now.. but don't forget about Nokia. They also release Android Phone right? Nokia X is first Android Phone from Nokia and need to get more attention :)
Harga HP Samsung
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