Rather Than Punishing Moviegoing Texters, Why Not Provide Incentives For Them To Put Down Their Phones?
from the positive-reinforcement,-rather-than-negative-reinforcement dept
One of the areas of economics I'm most interested in is focused on incentives. While it's a simplification of things, there are so many areas where people seem to naturally gravitate towards negative reinforcement as an incentive system -- that is, punishing people for things they believe are wrong. While that does work in some cases, it's amazing just how frequently positive reinforcement to nudge behavior in a better direction works much, much, much more effectively. Aaron DeOliveira points us to an interesting example of a company focusing on positive reinforcement in an area where most people have long-assumed that punishment was the only possible option: dealing with the annoyance of people texting during a movie. The first response that many theaters (and theater goers!) have, is to "punish" this behavior by outlawing it. They set up rules and put up signs. They have silly commercials before the show about how annoying it is. But it's all based on the idea of negative reinforcement: punishing or shaming those who engage in the behavior. But, quite frequently, that does little to actually get people to stop.So, it appears that the Cinemark chain of theaters is trying a system of positive reinforcement. Within its normal movie app for iOS and Android is a separate "mini-app" allowing users to put their phones into "CineMode." It automatically makes the screens on the phones dim, and puts them into vibrate mode -- sort of like an equivalent to airplane mode. But here's the kicker: since the app knows what you're doing, it can keep track of whether or not you actually follow through and leave CineMode enabled throughout the entire flick. For the users who do that, they get rewarded:
When the movie ends and the guest exits CineMode, Cinemark will automatically send a reward (digital coupon) through the app and store it in the Rewards section.Who knows how well it will work in practice, but it's great to see people realizing that technology can help enable this kind of positive reinforcement, rather than always doubling down on the negative reinforcement/punishment.
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Punishment has steeply diminishing returns, anyway
The instance where some medieval country's copyright-like law in textile patterns had penalties that got steeper and steeper, up to and including torture, without making a dent in "piracy", comes to mind in particular. So does the present "war on drugs".
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Or alternatively just kick the people out as they do in most other country's. And because of that "no tolerance" attitude other country's have far fewer problems with mobile phone users in cinema's
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Sounded to me like the reward is for anyone with a smartphone. You're saying you can only get rewards if you first demonstrate you often text during movies?
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Otherwise, this is just a softer approach to try and get those people to act like intelligent adults. It's sad that some people are like that, but neither you nor the cinema can change their attitude - and more confrontational approaches can lead to abuse or even violence against the minimum wage slave working there. If this is what it takes, do you honestly care that it's this that happens rather than you waiting around for the teenager who's meant to be servicing every screen to notice or care about the disruptive moron behind you?
I agree that this isn't what it should take, but sadly this might be what's needed.
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Really not that hard.
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Saying you shouldn't have to so you're not going to is the same mentality that copyright maximalists have. They say that people shouldn't be copying their works (texting in movies), they shouldn't have to change their business model (offer this app or discounts), etc. but in their case the negative enforcement is costing them a lot of time, money, effort, goodwill, etc (extra employees monitoring the theaters, signs, those commercials at the beginning of every movie cost money and annoy me, even though I agree with what they are trying to do) and yet still not doing anything to stop the copying (people are still texting during movies).
Sure you could up the ante and bring down heavier enforcement, but this app gives out benefits to people who text and to people who don't text. You make happy both people who are rude and people who agree with the cause. Sure it might cost something (the app and the discounts) but now you are building goodwill, return customers, and possibly getting the behavior you want (that's still to be seen). So who cares whether you should have to or not? If doing so leaves you and your customers better off, you'd be a fool not to do it.
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Tossing out the riffraff will do that. It's easy. It's simple. It's been demonstrated to work.
Perhaps it just requires too much effort.
Cinemas currently have other problems beyond the fact that people with cell phones are stupid gits.
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It doesn't matter that you don't like it. It is what it is and you have to deal with what it is and not what you want it to be.
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Though the people who's phones do ring during a movie I watch are probably annoyed at the time it takes them to extricate said phone from their rectums
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I thought the same, though it would really be interesting to see Teal'c (Christopher Judge) walking down the isle at someone texting and looking disappointingly in their direction until they stop. A one two punch would be to have Chuck Norris standing behind them so that if Teal'c didn't get them to stop, Norris could remove their spinal cord for them.
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Or you can just find them a compelling reason that they find appealing to leave it silent and dim without resorting to being an uptight asshole.
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But in all seriousness I agree both with the article and with you. Bad behavior should NOT be rewarded (seriously, I'd text just to get the coupons) however harsh punishment may not be the ideal solution either.
I'd say there are more subtle and effective ways to deal with this kind of idiocy. It reminds me of a show where a girl behind me started screaming when the band came in (Evanescence now that I'm thinking about it) and kept screaming like crazy in a manner I'm sure she wasn't listening to anything and wasn't letting anybody else around her listen to the show. On the second song I lost my patience turned around and grabbed her by her shoulders and said "Look, I know you love them but please shout between the songs, not ALL the time. We all want to listen to the songs." after which I received a sound round of applause from the people nearby. Needless to say the problem was solved. And that's not the only time it happened to me.
I'd say that public "shame" (although that's not quite the word I'm looking for) is the best way to fix it. You can talk to the person that's doing it wrong calmly and respectfully and it'll work out.
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Usually. Sometimes the police have to come and physically drag her out of the play at intermission. Now she was drunk so that's different, but still... as for punishment, there's no need for execution. Just cut their arms off.
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Some of us have manners and common sense. We silence our phones and put them in our pockets. Of course, that's back when I still went to the theater.
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Lack of punishment rewards BAD behavior.
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But I will disagree. Punishment is NOT the only and often not the best approach. And contrary to what you said about the doggies, shaking your finger and talking to the dog in an angry manner is enough for it to understand it did something wrong. Much like I did not like when my parents looked at me in disappointment when I was a kid. No punishment was needed.
You can TEACH the dogs to do the right thing in more subtle ways. For instance if you pull the leash up and take its front paws away from the ground while it's running in front of you pulling you will give it a clear message. After some time doing it the dog will understand it must walk either beside or behind you.
Educating the movie texter is but one of the multiple solutions that must be adopted. And by educating I don't mean just putting up "No texting" signs. Having an employee gently ask the texters to stop without threatening is a good start. After the texter is interrupted enough times they'll be annoyed and stop. Other measures can be added to this by the cinemas or even by the other persons watching the movie.
Your idea that punishment is the only way to deal with something probably comes from your MAFIAA masters...
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Of course, if you want to be a vigilante in the process, my wife takes the cake :-)
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You have it backwards. Humans and animals don't adopt a certain behaviour unless there is an immediate GAIN.
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If you replace Techdirt with "out_of_the_blue" you'd just as easily be talking about yourself and your comments in general. You realize that, right?
I doubt you do, I mean hey who doesn't want to call everyone "ankle biters" on a regular basis and then wag their finger at all the pirates and feel high and mighty up their on their cross of martyrdom (while secretly being a pirate and turning to The Pirate Bay before considering donating to Kickstarter projects to get new content out their for themselves and others and actually supporting creators directly). Not OotB for sure. Oh hey, I just realized that other sentence was entirely about you and the things you say/do on here regularly. Go figure.
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All punishment does is drive up resentment and causes more problems down the line.
Let me ask you this, what gets more done when talking to people?
"Clean that up or you're gunna be punished!"
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"Clean that up and you'll get cake."
Hmm...
I dunno about you, but I'd rather clean up to get cake.
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Once again, it's much easier to just avoid all this hassle at a cinema and turn off your cellphone so you don't miss the movie and distract others from it.
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Don't go for it man, the cake is a lie.
Seriously though, I'd much rather go for the cake. The problem is when people figure out how to get the cake without having to clean that up.
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How about a decent movie to watch, for a change?
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"Economics is the study of incentives." -Dr. Steven D. Levitt
"One of the areas of economics I'm most interested in is focused on economics." -Mike Masnick
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So it's an app for inconsiderate assholes, and those too dumb to change these settings themselves... nice
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Why is your phone so lame?
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You are changing the goal posts here. Airplane mode and/or powering off are not the same as dimming the screen and putting it into vibrate mode, nor does airplane mode/powering off give you discounts. I did not say that you needed more than one button to put your phone in a state appropriate for a theater. I said if pushing one button to get your phone in a state appropriate for a theater AND getting discounts is a bad thing, then go without the discounts. Your phone can turn off with one button, so can mine. Your phone can go into airplane mode with one button, so can mine. But you won't get any discounts (and neither will I because I wouldn't install this app, but that is beside the point).
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A movie experience could be vastly different (and more interesting) if audience members had smartphone apps that the movie interacted with. How much more creepy could you make a horror film if your phone rang when the killer called their next victim? And I'm not even remotely creative.
I would love to see some experiments with movies that take advantage of the fact that audience members are walking in with an additional screen, speakers, and wireless communications.
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You might be interested in the films of William Castle
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The obvious is choose your own adventure type stories where the audience votes on where the story goes, or chooses multiple endings.
But what about a room with no big screen, but your phone only shows 1/4 of the image, and you have to find the three other people that match up to complete your image.
Or showing bad movies and letting people tweet comments that show up as subtitles.
Or wearing headphones and listening to a different language or director's commentary while you watch the film.
Or a live concert where people live stream their camera phones to the big screen on stage.
lots of creative possibilities.
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"Despicable Me" had a feature in some theaters where the main characters minions were subtitled to English translation at certain scenes.
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Negative reinforcement != punishment
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I don't understand how negative reinforcement and punishment differ.
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Punishment is meant to decrease a behavior, that's why it's different from negative reinforcement, although they're frequently confused.
Here's an example. You want your kids to do their homework. That's a desirable behavior you want to reinforce. You could offer to give them money every time they complete it - positive reinforcement. Or you could let them not have to clean their rooms if they complete it - negative reinforcement.
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Positive Reinforcement:
If you turn off your device you might be able to enjoy the movie better. You're allowed to text after the movie when the credits are rolling - positive reward.
Negative Reinforcement:
If you do not stop texting we will kick you out of the theater until you are done. After that you may continue watching the film in peace....but you miss the enjoyment of the film.
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So for your mass market movie going audiences... yes this is awesome.
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Best incentive for annoying moviegoers texting.
So, this damn texting was very loud and rude. No excuse, just enjoy the (pardon my French) fucking film. I was about to yell and swear at them as the female face hugger, which honestly looks like a the fallopian uterine of a horse with human vaginal opening as the mouth with fangs for good measure, grabs a guy's face.
Knowing full well and being versed in her own body, my wife chimes in loudly over the texting in Mystery Science Theater 3000 fashion:
"See Wally, that's why you never piss off a woman,"
Dead silence from the group directly behind us as I struggle to stifle a laugh at the passive aggressiveness of my wife's comment, for the rest of the movie....save a few jump scenes.
You don't need an iPhone or device to enjoy the movie in a theater unless there is extra stuff gathered. It's just plain rude to leave your phone on during the show and you should plan ahead in case of emergencies that would normally require it.
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Call it the "Phantom Menace Principle".
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It saved my viewing and made my evening a whole lot better when I saw their reactions.
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It was funny to me because they (unlike my wife, you, or I) had no concept of Giger or his art (I gave my wife a 2 day crash course before opening night on Giger). I could see they're sick faces after the film because the way that the woman of my life, who has a very attractive voice, said it.
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As a parent of two small kids, the only way I can go to the movies is by having someone look after them. I want that person to be able to contact me if they need to, so my phone will stay on and I will answer texts, silently of course. It doesn't happen often, I'm discreet, and don't consider my actions "just plain rude". Your suggestion to "plan ahead" is amusingly impractical, I'm guessing you don't have young kids.
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If your baby sitter can't handle emergencies that require procedures like dialing an emergency contact other than you or alternately dialing 911....they need to be fired. Both ways, you'll get the message if your phone is off.
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Better way of handling the issue...
So, this damn texting was very loud and rude. No excuse, just enjoy the (pardon my French) fucking film. I was about to yell and swear at them as the female face hugger, which honestly looks like a the fallopian uterine of a horse with human vaginal opening as the mouth with fangs for good measure, grabs a guy's face.
Knowing full well and being versed in her own body, my wife chimes in loudly over the texting in Mystery Science Theater 3000 fashion:
"See Wally, that's why you never piss off a woman,"
Dead silence from the group directly behind us as I struggle to stifle a laugh at the passive aggressiveness of my wife's comment, for the rest of the movie....save a few jump scenes.
You don't need an iPhone or device to enjoy the movie in a theater unless there is extra stuff gathered. It's just plain rude to leave your phone on during the show and you should plan ahead in case of emergencies that would normally require it.
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If you're going to do this, why make it a "rather than" instead of an "and"? If someone is being disruptive, kick them out, regardless of incentives.
I'm also not convinced that people who forget to turn off their phones will suddenly remember due to this.
And... sigh... yet another way to track us. And to offset the costs of the rewards, slightly higher costs for those of us who simply turn our phones off or silent without downloading a stupid app to do it for us.
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Maybe it makes it worth your money to see someone get kicked out of the theater, instead of seeing less people acting like jerks in the first place so that they don't need to get kicked out?
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Texting is a bit more pervasive now Groove Tiger. We now have a whole generation of people who will never know what a flip phone was as proof.
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You're just using an appeal to emotion: THIS behavior is out of control. "At an all time high! Pervasive!". That changes nothing, and certainly does not define whether positive or negative reinforcement works better or worse at stopping it. Essentially, it's "but... texting! Why do you hate moviegoers so much?"
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(see, I can also make snap judgments about specific people)
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Oh, well now we know. Let's see the numbers on theaters using both approaches. You do have numbers, right?
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It's called common curtesy to turn off your device during a phone, nobody wants to hear that during the movie. You only get kicked out for at least not complying to turn off the phone if the steward asks you to..
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All I'm hearing is "I want them to stop! But not with positive reinforcement! I want punishment! PUNISHMENT!"
Q.E.D.
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Tell me, what's the biggest fear in a teenager these days??? A trophy that doesn't mean anything and does nothing to actually reward you??? Or the potential for someone kicking you out of a movie that you just paid $10 to $20 to see after an apparent refusal to stop texting.
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"A trophy that doesn't mean anything and does nothing to actually reward you"
Basically, you're starting from the assumption that "that method does not work, because it does not work, and therefore should not be used." A trophy that does not reward you? I thought we were talking about discounts. Forgive me if I misread the article stating that there are discounts which according to you does not give discounts at all!
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In all matter of speaking, the reward system is points based like a movie card...or for those who know this...a Speedy Rewards card. Easy there tiger your inner child is showing..
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"Basically, you're starting from the assumption that "that method does not work, because it does not work, and therefore should not be used." A trophy that does not reward you? I thought we were talking about discounts. Forgive me if I misread the article stating that there are discounts which according to you does not give discounts at all!"
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"Y U HATE OTHERS". Real good arguing.
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I gave an insulting rebuttal and you respond with derp again?
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I feel that the way this "reward system" is implemented is taking away the anonymity of its users...and for what??? A small popcorn and a soda that you can finish while walking up the steps to you seat...yeah great reward system Cinemark...
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What we need is flux/redshift
What we need is flux (see stereopsis.com/flux) for all devices and have that go on in a "cine" mode so the screen is much more dim and red. That will be much less annoying, I guarantee it.
Problem is, Flux is available for iOS but Apple's BS ToS don't allow it, so you have to jailbreak your device. Plus, none of the Android apps to do the same thing are any good. The Android apps all add *red* color universally across the screen, thus making blacks become more red instead of *removing* blue color.
Incidentally, GNU/Linux users should get "redshift" instead.
I really highly recommend this for normal use at night anyway separate from cinema. But the point is: it is the harsh blue tint of these screens that is so annoying whether in a theatre or anywhere else at night. Bad for your eyes, unnatural, and distracting to anyone around you.
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Of course, the theater company now has their crapware installed on your phone. It's win/win for idiots.
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The way to deal with the problem is to block all cell usage in the theater, period. If the customer is too self-important to just watch the movie, tough shit. They're where they don't belong. Moviegoing is already a marginal experience. Catering to narcissistic morons just speeds up the demise of the remaining market.
Making it a policy to submit to extortion is the dumbest idea I've seen around here -- and that's a pretty low bar sometimes.
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Not just in movie theaters
Doesn't stop all of it, but it does empower those whom it bothers to at least feel justified in asking them to put it away.
I rarely go to theaters anymore, but when I do I always go on the first Sunday showing when the theater is nearly deserted.
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What will the payment be to promote me to stop playing it?
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People who don't have smart phones, turn their phones off, or simply don't use them are ineligible for the reward, but a portion of their ticket money will be ised to fund the incentive for bad behavior.
And this is proposed as a better alternative to kicking people out for rude and disruptive behavior?
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As I said above, what will my reward be to refrain from playing my bagpipes?
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