Corporate Sovereignty Provisions Called Into Question Around The World

from the ISDS-is-*so*-twentieth-century dept

A couple of weeks ago, we noted that Germany just threw a big spanner in the TTIP works by calling for corporate sovereignty provisions to be excluded. Although perhaps the most dramatic repudiation of investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS), it's by no means the only one. Indeed, the tide really seems turning, as country after country calls into question the need to put corporations on the same level as entire nations. For example, according to this report from the Yonhap News Agency, South Korea wants to re-visit the corporate sovereignty chapter in its trade agreement with the US:
South Korea plans to hold talks with the United States to rework the investor-state dispute (ISD) clause in their two-year-old free trade pact that has long been cited by critics as being unfair, a government source said Sunday.
That's possible because of the following prescient move by South Korea at the time of the trade agreement's signing:
To receive parliamentary approval, Seoul forwarded a proposal to lawmakers that promised a "reevaluation" of the ISD clause down the line.
One country that has already "re-evaluated" ISDS, and found it wanting, is South Africa, as Techdirt explained at the end of last year. But the Lexology site reports that it could soon be joined by another major economy:
According to the Netherlands Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia has informed the Netherlands that it has decided to terminate the Bilateral Investment Treaty between the two nations from 1 July 2015. The Embassy also states that "the Indonesian Government has mentioned it intends to terminate all of its 67 bilateral investment treaties".
Once more, it seems that painful experiences of corporate sovereignty played their part in the decision:
it would not be surprising if the Churchill Mining Plc v Indonesia cases (ICSID Cases ARB/12/14 and 12/40) have prompted more sweeping action by the Indonesian Government. Churchill and Planet Mining Pty began arbitration against the Indonesian government in May 2012 at ICSID in Washington. On 24 February 2014 the ICSID Tribunal rejected Indonesia's jurisdictional challenges leaving Churchill free to proceed with a claim for damages of not less than US$1.05bn, excluding interest. This decision has caused outrage in Indonesia.
That outrage is understandable, since it will be the Indonesian public that will have to foot the billion-dollar bill if the ISDS tribunal rules against Indonesia. In a way, the almost unfettered power of corporate sovereignty has become its own worst enemy. The possibility of making claims for billions of dollars has naturally caught the attention of both the public and politicians in the nations affected, prompting many to re-consider the wisdom of agreeing to this kind of one-sided bargain.

If Indonesia does indeed start terminating its 67 bilateral investment treaties, we can expect other countries to take note and consider following suit. One knock-on effect will be that US insistence on putting corporate sovereignty provisions in TPP will begin to look distinctly out of place in a world where prudent nations are starting to move away from them.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 2:06am

    Corporate Sovereignty only adds to a nation's debt, and asks ordinary citizens to pay down corporate fines levied against their own government.

    Corporations will become worried about governments increasing tax rates on the wealthy, in order to pay down the national debt.

    The wealthy will lobby lawmakers to enact austerity/sequester measures, in order to force the general population to pay off the national debt that Corporate Sovereignty helped rack up.

    It's basically corporate double dipping. The pubic is charged for everything they purchase from a corporation. Then the pubic is charged again, through taxes and austerity measures, in order to pay back the dispute settlement debts levied against their government.

    ISDS is a win-win if your a multinational corporation, and lose-lose for everyone else, including governments. Governments would be wise to view ISDS as a threat to national security, due to the social unrest a ballooning nation debt and draconian austerity measures cutting public welfare programs will cause.

    I'm sure multinational corporations are prepared to take that risk. In the long run, even if ISDS crashes and burns entire populations and economies, the corporations will have already cashed out their double-dip profits and they'll just relocate to another part of the world.

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  • identicon
    John Royal, 26 Mar 2014 @ 2:22am

    TTIP

    How can corporations consider themselves as sovereign nations and still be private citizens of other countries. Corporations in any other country on this planet are the tools of man except one The USA Human beings should never ever be tools of corporations that is slavery and as such criminal in nature.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 2:32am

      Re: TTIP

      Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed of today's system. He didn't gradually free the slaves in his country just for their descendents to end up becoming a new breed of slave.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • icon
        Mason Wheeler (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 11:09am

        Re: Re: TTIP

        There's more truth to this than is immediately apparent.

        Look back on history, and you see that before the Civil War, the notion of the employer-employee relationship as we know it today barely existed. Large companies didn't hardly exist, because they couldn't; people would work enough to save up enough money to strike out on their own, or go into the family business.

        Or, if you lived in the South, you could have slaves. The interesting thing about slavery that no one really mentions today is that it's not "free labor"; slaves were an investment in property that have to be maintained, much like a horse (or a large and complex machine today). You have to feed a slave, provide housing, see to his basic needs, and all that costs a certain amount of money. But it was profitable enough that you got large plantations with large slave-labor forces, whereas in the North, free people who were able to save up money and strike out on their own usually did, and so large businesses didn't have much of a chance to develop.

        Everything changed with the 14th Amendment, and ever since then, certain types of employers (and it's very instructive to see how many of them have Southern roots!) have been working to gradually restore status quo ante. Look at how many workers today are paid just barely enough to pay for food, housing and basic needs--exactly what an "employer" of yesteryear would have needed to pay for the upkeep of a slave--while still nominally enjoying a state of freedom, and you'll see how far we've fallen...

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 3:12am

      Re: TTIP

      It's not about corps considering themselves sovereign.
      It's about corporations trying to override or at least bend the actual sovereignty of the signing nations.
      It's about corps trying to put themselves above the concept of sovereignty.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 4:41am

        Re: Re: TTIP

        Which Americna administrationa have been doing for at least the last thirty years.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 2:43am

    Corporate + Sovereignty is an absolute no-no

    They should be pushed into more accountability and responsability, not less.

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  • icon
    Ninja (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 3:26am

    If you take a moment to analyze those agreements you'll see they largely benefit the huge multi-national corporations. Some of those corporations have become a cancer that plague the world with corruption and wrongdoing in order to secure large profits. I truly hope this is just the beginning of a big push back against those companies and their predatory nature. I'm not against big companies that operate in many countries. I'm against those that abuse their financial power.

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    • icon
      btrussell (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 8:28pm

      Re:

      1%'ers own the companies. Everything is done to make them more money. When the company makes more money, it is the 1%'ers raking it in.

      Countries can turn this around another way other than flat out refusal. They can counter sue for lost taxes from the corporation as well as all the people they were going to employ for the next two-hundred years or so.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 5:28am

    If corporations are to be considered equivalent to sovereign nations, they would soon develop their own armies and deploy nukes everywhere. What a good idea. If there were conflict between corporations which escalated, how would they target each other, being they are global and all. The destruction would be global. If one were to draw a medical analogy, would corporations be like cancer? And what is the equivalent real world cemo?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 5:45am

    A way out

    Indonesia has a way out:

    1. it cancels all these ISDS treaties;
    2. it waits for the verdict;
    3. it nationalises all assests of the mining company;

    Doing exactly that what the treaty wanted to prevent from happening.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 6:09am

    The powers that be don't yet realize that other nations do not agree with ruling a nation as a business as the US has been doing since the 80's ,They prefer a longer lasting Democratic model that can withstand the test of time.

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  • icon
    dave blevins (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 6:37am

    Biz "rights"

    Why give businesses same rights as people when people don't have the same rights as businesses? (and people have lost rights given to biz)

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 10:39am

    be honest. the companies that will benefit most are US companies. if there were any other company from any other country, the motions would be dismissed. these ISDS are being put in place simply to prevent any sort of financial crisis from happening to American companies any time in the future. and looking at them logically, what company is going to carry on struggling to make a profit from whatever service or product it puts out when it can accuse a government of preventing it from making money, then go to court? this is nothing but a giant rip off, designed to put countries in debt to the USA in one way or another.

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    • icon
      John Fenderson (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 10:48am

      Re:

      Be honest? Who said that the primary beneficiaries wouldn't be US corporations? It's very clear that this is the case. That's the problem.

      "this is nothing but a giant rip off, designed to put countries in debt to the USA in one way or another."

      To the corporations, not the US. With that correction, I agree with you -- that's another reason these ISDS clauses should go away.

      Don't equate US corporations with the US. US corporations wouldn't be any more hesitant to use ISDS clauses against the US than they would against any other nation.

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      • icon
        That One Guy (profile), 26 Mar 2014 @ 11:26am

        Biting the hand that feeds you

        I'd actually disagree with that somewhat, with the giant companies going after other countries, the USG is able to continue pushing for such clauses as 'good for the economy/US companies', since they aren't the ones who have to justify massive fines to the public.

        If a company did the same to the USG though, then suddenly other politicians who were in support or neutral of such clauses would have to justify them to the very public who was about to have to foot the bill, doing massive damages to their chances of getting re-elected, making them much less likely to slip in such clauses in the future.

        Mind you, that would require long term planning/thinking, something that those huge companies seem extremely poor at, so it wouldn't surprise me if their greed got the better of them at some point and they did try and shake down the USG, not realizing immediately what they were doing and the likely effects from it.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2014 @ 6:00pm

          Re: Biting the hand that feeds you

          Just ask Antigua what it is like trying to get the US to live up to it's International agreements and trying to get the US to pay when they lose in the WTO court.

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  • icon
    Gerald Robinson (profile), 27 Mar 2014 @ 9:07am

    ISPS

    Indonesia has started revoking treaties with this clause starting with its treaty with the Netherlands. See the Financial Times article 3/27. Hopefully this will torpedo the TPP and TTIP both of which include really terrible IP provisions which have nothing to do with trade and a bunch of trade provisions far to broad.

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  • identicon
    Timmy, 28 Mar 2014 @ 12:47pm

    TTIP

    Just think..... Federal Reserve.

    Back before the crises years, business could run somewhat normally. With the end of the US dollar reserve currency era approaching, in order to keep the fiat ponzi intact for another 'can kicking', whole nations need to be plundered and immediately profited from so the system doesn't implode. If the TTIP passes with the corporation wording intact, it will allow corporations to grab whole years and more worth of profits in one gig, instead of profiting more slowly as in the past. Put another way, now that the dollar is dying, if they didn't make changes to the system like this, we all die just that much sooner.

    link to this | view in chronology ]


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