ICE Mistakenly Deports Missing Teen To Colombia

from the these-people-get-to-censor-the-internet? dept

Wed, Jan 4th 2012 1:10pm — Mike Masnick

Wow. We've discussed, repeatedly, the ridiculous situation in which the US government via the ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) arm of the Department of Homeland Security has been seizing domains and censoring websites, such as the case of Dajaz1.com. As we've noted in the past, the details of that operation showed an organization that didn't really understand what it was doing, and definitely seemed to believe in "shoot first, ask questions later."

As many people have pointed out, why is "Immigration and Customs Enforcement" doing anything involving the internet or copyrights/trademarks online? So perhaps you could "excuse" their vast mistakes as them being out of their depth.

But what about the part of their mandate that they're actually supposed to be experts in? You know, keeping people who don't belong here out? Yeah, it appears they approach that with about the same level of detail awareness as when they deal with censoring blogs. In 2010, 14-year-old Jakadrien Turner ran away from home, "distraught over the loss of her grandfather and her parents' divorce." Her grandmother searched for her with no luck... until now. It seems that at some point in 2010 Jakadrien was arrested for shoplifting. She gave police a fake name... and that name apparently was the same as an illegal immigrant who was wanted in Colombia. And, that was enough to get the girl deported to Colombia last April. She remains there, currently detained by the Colombian government.

Apparently ICE took the girl's fingerprints "but somehow didn't confirm her identity and deported her to Colombia, where the Colombian government gave her a work card and released her." They've since taken her back into custody, since it was discovered she wasn't who they thought she was. ICE now says that they're "fully and immediately investigating this matter in order to expeditiously determine the facts of this case." Perhaps -- and this is just a suggestion -- ICE should start "fully and immediately investigating" stuff before they go around creating new and bigger problems...

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Dark Helmet (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 12:24pm

I've got it!
The fake name she gave police was Dajaz and ICE just went nutbars trying to keep her out of the States, amirite?
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Mike C. (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:03pm

Girl didn't help the situation thoough
While the end result is outrageous, I don't think ICE is totally at fault here. The fake name the girl provided was for a 22 year old. At that point the police and everyone after was under the impression they were dealing with an adult criminal. If you've got an adult in custody, why wouldn't you deport them?
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- :Lobo Santo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:16pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Yes, there's no possible way the government agency could be at fault; it definitely must have been not-yet-an-adult private citizen.
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  - Mike C. (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:30pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    "I don't think ICE is totally at fault here."
    
    In other words, yeah, ICE screwed up, but the girls certainly didn't help matters by lying in the first place. Her bad choice of name started the ball rolling and I'm guessing she didn't do much to help reveal the truth until the process was well underway.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:36pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Her bad choice of name started the ball rolling
      
      Her bad choice of skin color was her worst mistake.
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    - Bengie, 4 Jan 2012 @ 3:22pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      She was a minor, doesn't matter if she lies. Plenty of prior cases of minors lying about their age and the adult will still be held responsible for not validating.
      
      I'm not saying she shouldn't take responsibility, I'm saying these ICE people shouldn't get special treatment from the rest of us citizens.
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      - hothmonster, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:00pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
        Yeah bartenders and gas station clerks don't get off with, the minor lied to me, I don't see why ICE should.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 6:04pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Are you fking serious? What, you think ICE gave her a list of names to choose from? How does a 14 y/o purposely and consciously pick the name of a criminal in another country? Then ICE sat her down and fully explained the situation to her huh, that she was wanted in Columbia and gave her a chance to change her story? Sounds really plausible.
      
      You should be deported for being an idiot.
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- E. Zachary Knight (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:17pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Ummm because even as adults people share names?
  
  I do a quick google search of my name and there is another Zachary Knight that works in web developer (the same fields as me) but he lives in Florida. If one of us commits a crime, should we both be potentially liable simply because we share a name? No.
  
  Just because this girl gave an identity that matched a criminal's on the surface, they should have been absolutely sure that she was that person before deporting her.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:26pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    "If one of us commits a crime, should we both be potentially liable simply because we share a name? No."
    
    And just why shouldn't you, Zachary Knight, or should I say, ZACHARY KNIGHT?
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  - Zauber Paracelsus (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:29pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    You think that's bad? There's about a hundred other people in the northern half of my home state alone that share my name. There's at least one other person with my name in my hometown as well, and the college I was attending mixed up his account with mine.
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    - E. Zachary Knight (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:32pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Who would have thought that Zauber Paracelsus was such a common name. Is that name a character is a teen romance novel?
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      - Kevin H (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:09pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
        *tips hat
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:33pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Honestly? I would not have suspected that "Zauber Paracelsus" was that common a name.... Auber Paracelsus perhaps, but not "Zauber Paracelsus"
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  - Mike C. (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 3:03pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    The major difference between you and your evil twin is that you have government issued ID and a "paper trail" that can be used to back up your story. When is the last time you saw a 14 year old with a utility bill or a drivers license?
    
    To be honest, this smacks of the "quick to report" story of Nintendo and Sony pulling their support of SOPA from a few days ago. Everyone is so ready to believe that ICE is truly evil when we really don't have all the facts. For all we know, the local police that did the initial lookup on the name are the ones that led ICE down the path of deportation:
    
    Hey ICE, we've got a "Maria Gonzalez" in custody here and according to the computer she's got a warrant out for her in Columbia. Can y'all come on down and take care of this for us. There are no prints or pictures on file so we added them from the girl in custody. KTHXBAI.
    
    I'm just trying to point out that maybe we should hear some of the details before we lynch. Once the details are released, lynch away. Until then... maybe take a step back for a second and stop screaming "but, but, but... FOR THE CHILDREN!!!"
    
    /father of a 14 y.o. boy who could pass for 20+
    //seen the crap modern teenagers try
    ///apparently was a teenager myself once...
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:34pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Details before lynching?
      
      That's like investigating before taking action, you can't expect people to have time to be bothered with something silly like that can you?
      
      There are evil pirates to catch out there... gotta get em all
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      - abc gum, 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:58pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
        "Details before lynching? That's like investigating before taking action,"
        
        Yes, we here at TD hold ourselves to a higher standard than those at ICE or many of the other TLAs.
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- Anonymous Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:18pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Paraphrased from I think Sherlock Holmes: "The key to a homicide investigation depends upon the correct identification of the corpse".
  
  Any law enforcement professional should be concerned about who they have in custody. Accepting what the "criminal" says at face value seems to be contradictory to their mission.
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:18pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Oh yeah because it is impossible to tell a 14 year old from a 22 year old.
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  - Rikuo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:23pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    Hey, the TSA somehow does this impossible act all the time, with the no-fly lists. Apparently, they're able to positively identify toddlers as terrorists, who for some reason are too scary to be allowed to fly, but not scary enough to arrest.
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  - bjupton (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:15pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    I expect this case to come up in every statutory rape and child molestation charge from now on.
    
    "She said she was Columbian!"
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  - hothmonster, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:45pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    I had a buddy who grew a mustache in 5th grade. He was buying liquor at 14-15, and from the nice liquor stores not just the shady ones that sold to anyone. Just saying.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 5 Jan 2012 @ 1:31am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      She must have been one scary lady as a teen.
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- Anonymous Poster, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:26pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Cool "blame the victim" mentality, bro.
  
  The girl had no way to know that the name she gave belonged to someone who was on an immigration watchlist. Why should she be at fault for ICE not recognizing that a fourteen-year-old girl is not a twenty-two-year-old criminal on their watchlist? Why should the girl be blamed for ICE not doing the follow-through and confirming the girl's identity before deporting her to Colombia?
  
  This was ICE incompetence; if the organization had followed through with confirming her identity before shipping her off to a foreign country intent on jailing her for crimes she didn't commit, nobody would be reading about its incompetence in this situation.
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  - ComputerAddict (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:15am
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    Every 14 year old knows that it is ILLEGAL to lie to the police. It is not like they arbitrarily walked up to this girl and asked her name, she was caught stealing, lied to the police, and her lie got her in a heap more trouble. Stop acting like she's a Saint. I gotta place at least 25% blame on the girl here.
    
    About 50% blame on the Local cops who should have informed her she was being arrested for warrants out of Columbia, giving the girl opportunity to confess she lied about her name, contact her parents, etc. Local cops do their job... follow up end of story.
    
    and finally about 25% on ICE for not verifying the information given to the LEO's, but barring that ICE did what they were suppose to do. If you have a international criminal, you deport them back where they came from. Its not that complicated.
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    - abc gum, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:50am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
      Not sure why excuses are being offered and percentage blame being allocated. She was caught shoplifting and yet they believed she gave her correct name ... this is amazing. It's like they think criminals would not give a false name. It is obviously 100% incompetence on the part of law enforcement.
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- weneedhelp (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:35pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  If they cant tell the difference between a 14 year old and 22 year old... well lets just be polite and say they are useless.
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  - ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:15pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    Y'know, if I say she looked 22, I'm going to jail anyways...
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- Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:41pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  At that point the police and everyone after was under the impression they were dealing with an adult criminal.
  
  Right, and because they can believe anything she says, they're both legally and morally released from having to investigate.
  
  Oh, and as several others have pointed out, also because no two people could possibly have the same name.
  
  I know a guy named Greg Schwartz who happens to live in the same town as another guy named Greg Schwartz. Fortunately they have different middle initials. Unfortunately the other guy is a bit shady. Our Greg Schwartz constantly gets mail for the other (including auto titles -- the other guy runs a junkyard), has been served with various legal notices, and I think even arrested once, for things that had nothing to do with him. He has several times had to go to court to prove who he is. Simply based on a common name.
  
  But hey, it's OK. This bunch of bozos is let off the hook because she gave them a fake name, and they're so stupid they just assumed she was an adult illegal immigrant from Columbia with a Spanish accent. Not a problem, she shouldn't have been there in the first place, she was asking for it! They're all asking for it, all the time!
  
  I think we should deport ALL accused shoplifters.
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  - technomage (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:43pm
    
    Re: Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
    You think that's bad? Try being named James Johnson...the only people that outnumber that are the john doe's on the **aa subpena lists.
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- zos (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:52pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  well, most of the time it's necessary to CONFIRM the identity before deporting anyone, anywhere.
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:57pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  Lets be clear here, if I was a terrorist a real one then all I need to do is to lie about my real name and stay in the country?
  
  If they can't reliably identify someone that is a weakness in the system.
  
  I thought they had checks for those kind of things not to happen, apparently those protocols are not being followed only those that face the public like groping others.
  
  The government actually already got bitten by this type of thing in the past, I do remember an underage porn actress that got a passport from the US government.
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- anonymous, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:58pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  so no one at ICE was able to tell that she was not an adult, but a child? ridiculous excuse!
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- ltlw0lf (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 3:55pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  While the end result is outrageous, I don't think ICE is totally at fault here.
  
  Warrants must be confirmed and the individual being arrested on a warrant must be positively identified. Sounds like part of the process of doing so was done, they requested fingerprints. However, they needed to confirm the fingerprints matched before turning over the girl to the Colombian government.
  
  Also, they should have run the fingerprints and the picture through the missing person system, which sounds like they failed there too. A whole bunch of fail.
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- FuzzyDuck, 4 Jan 2012 @ 11:45pm
  
  Re: Girl didn't help the situation thoough
  "The fake name the girl provided was for a 22 year old."
  
  Yeah because that argument works so well for paedophiles. "Your honor, she told me she was 22 - I didn't know she was just 14".
  
  It's pretty amazing when ICE apologists, and maybe the ICE itself, resort to using the same arguments as paedophiles.
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Jan 2012 @ 1:02am
  
  What does this mean about laws against child pornography
  Even our government, it seems, cannot tell just by external evidence whether a minor is really a minor or a 22-year old woman.
  
  Doesn't this mean that it is problematic (if not outright stupid) to make the possession of child pornography a crime, especially since it is one regardless of lack of intent?
  
  And don't get me started talking about steganography.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:25pm

How can you expect HS to get anything done if they have to investigate first? /s
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Justin Olbrantz (Quantam), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:32pm

Bad Idea
She should have said she was Barack Obama. Then she could have gotten a free trip to the White House.
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- Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:39pm
  
  Re: Bad Idea
  If I ever get detained by ICE, I'm so going to try that.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:37pm

Obummer had em do it on purpose. Now no one gets deported and he gets the spick vote.
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khory (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:42pm

So let me get this right.....
ICE doesn't check into the girls identity at all and deports her.

Columbia gets her and has no idea this isn't who they were looking for?

Did anyone stop and compare her to a photo? Surely the Colombian gov. has at least a picture of the people on their wanted list. Or is that asking too much??
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:45pm

She got a free trip to Colombia and a job. Sounds better than what the USA did for her.
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- Kevin H (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:11pm
  
  Re:
  Up until the detained her again.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:47pm

Sure ICE can't keep illegal immigrants out of the country, but at least we know they CAN kick legal US citizens out of the country and stop them from reentering! That's progress in stopping the illegal immigrant problem!
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- ComputerAddict (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:22am
  
  Re:
  ICE isn't stopping her re-entry... at least yet.. The Columbians are detaining her since she is in their country illegally... NOT ICE.
  
  I dont like ICE, I dont think we need them, but this thread seems like a witchhunt to make them out to be the bad guys.
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  - FuzzyDuck, 5 Jan 2012 @ 10:57am
    
    Re: Re:
    And she's there because of who again?
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Jeffhole (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:48pm

God damnit...
If my daughter were missing and ended up being deported to fucking Columbia because ICE fucked up...I would demand blood. No joke. Just a pint or two from someone at ICE, something to keep in the freezer for the 10th anniversary of the deportation.
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- Kevin H (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:13pm
  
  Re: God damnit...
  As a father I have no idea how I would respond to finding out that my government though their own incompetence deported my daughter as an illegal immigrant.
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  - :Lobo Santo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:14pm
    
    Re: Re: God damnit...
    I would end up arrested for assaulting federal employees...
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    - anti-tod, 7 May 2014 @ 11:07am
      
      Re: Re: Re: God damnit...
      multiple murder charges... let's leave it at that
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- Someantimalwareguy (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:15pm
  
  Re: God damnit...
  Someone at ICE needs to be prosecuted for child abuse in this case. Regardless of whether or not the child lied, the fact remains that she was a 14 year old. I expect the agents responsible will enjoy their stay in prison and will be an adequate lesson to anyone else that would place a child, any child at risk because they were too lazy to actually verify who it was they had in custody.
  
  Doesn't anyone at ICE check the Amber alert system now and then at least?
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:22pm
    
    Re: Re: God damnit...
    I expect the agents responsible will enjoy their stay in prison...
    
    I strongly suspect that you are be sarcastic / ironic / whatever.
    
    Seriously, you must know that law enforcement in America does not go to prison when they do these things.
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    - Someantimalwareguy (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 3:24pm
      
      Re: Re: Re: God damnit...
      I strongly suspect that you are be sarcastic / ironic / whatever. ...
      Ironic perhaps, but that is the problem when it is ok for agents of the government to abuse children and potentially place them in a life threatening situation due to incompetence. It is sad when the only reply is one where I am advised that I am being naive and that I should just accept that no one in power will ever be prosecuted or punished for the crime that took place in this instance.
      
      IFO think it's about time to change that type of general attitude and expectation by scaring the hell out of anyone who would even contemplate being lazy or incompetent when the life of a child is on the line...
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deane (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:54pm

personally I smell a massive lawsuit Against I.C.E for kidnapping/illegal detainment/and whatever else a responsible attorney can think up. maybe now I.C.E will learn to do their primary job so much better ;-)
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- :Lobo Santo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 1:56pm
  
  Re: OR...
  Or perhaps, the lawyer will "coincidentally" have the same name as some deportable criminal--and the I.C.E. will win the case on the grounds the prosecuting attorney didn't come to court...
  
  Jes' Sayin'
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  - hmm (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:35pm
    
    Re: Re: OR...
    Or Obama will decide the lawyer is "anti-government" and simply 'disappear' him for a few decades...
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- Thomas (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:21pm
  
  Re: lawsuit..
  the government is immune to lawsuits. No judge who wants to remain alive or in the country would dare to rule against the Gestapo.
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ChurchHatesTucker (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:17pm

Johnny Dangerously?
"Roman Moroni Deported to Sweden, Claims He's Not From There."
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the american government, 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:29pm

making things worse for everybody since the 1700s

you know i keep hearing how anarchist are nutters but having been witness to crap from this *leadership* really makes me think they know something others dont.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:35pm

Ah, but you expect too much from thugs
The people who work for ICE are way, WAY too stupid to grasp details like this. We're talking about knuckle-dragging baboons, barely able to keep from soiling themselves while on the job. To ask them to grasp nuance and subtlety is to ask the impossible; you might as well ask the cat to master Proust.

Which is why, of course, they meddle in things beyond their understanding: EVERYTHING is beyond their understanding. And this is also why anyone with even a modicum of intelligence who wishes to evade them, will -- and easily.
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- Thomas (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:22pm
  
  Re: Ah, but you expect too much from thugs
  You are insulting the baboons!! You should be ashamed!
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A Monkey with Atitude, 4 Jan 2012 @ 2:36pm

Yet we want them to be the enforcer for the internet/lobbyist/Big Media? THIS SOUNDS like a GOOD idea that cant possibly go wrong... I mean with real people its easy to mistake identities, but with that INTERWEB its so easy, they tell you who they are and everything!!!
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- Chosen Reject (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 3:17pm
  
  Re:
  but with that INTERWEB its so easy, they tell you who they are and everything!!!
  It's true.
  
  Also, I'm from ICE and we've been looking for you. Now that we've found you, you're under arrest for assault.
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average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:00pm

"What a bunch of idiots!!!! And these guys are going to censor the internet? OMG!!!! The government's dumb and stoooooopiddddd!!!!!!!"

LMAO @ Pirate Mike.
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- hothmonster, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:04pm
  
  Re:
  I think your Mike hate is effecting your brain, you're regressing.
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  - average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:08pm
    
    Re: Re:
    I'm just LOLing. This place is great!
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    - Rikuo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:19pm
      
      Re: Re: Re:
      No, no it isn't, not according to you. This place is a haven for piracy apologists, you say.
      Are you now suffering from multiple personality disorder? Or has your account been hacked? If a website is full of people whose views and ideas I loathe...I wouldn't bother visiting it. I wouldn't visit whatever sites child pornographers use to talk about CP...I'd avoid them for the scum they are.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:21pm
      
      Re: Re: Re:
      You mean you derive entertainment from this place without paying for it? You freetard asshole
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      - average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:34pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re:
        I'm CTRL+C, dude. I'm cool!! LMAO!!!!
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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:47pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        I had to copy paste to make sure this wasn't ioe. Did something get into your water? Have you been licking legal briefs again?
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        average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:06pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        Just having a few giggles. :)
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        Always lies, 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:09pm
        
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        You're so funny. I need to take comedy classes from you
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- Rikuo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:17pm
  
  Re:
  So...your response literally doesn't have a point or purpose? Mike writes about how the American government wrongly deported a 14-year-old girl...and all you can say is to attack him?
  
  Hey Mike...here's something you might want to try. Write a story about a murder. Someone gruesome and evil. Then let's see exactly how Average_joe manages to twist a story about a murder into why its so bad that Mike is a pirate.
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  - average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:37pm
    
    Re: Re:
    So...your response literally doesn't have a point or purpose?
    
    It made me laugh. Don't be so CTRL+X.
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    - Rikuo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:52pm
      
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      Why? How could it make you laugh? I understand humour as much as the next guy...but I don't see how you can read an article about a wrongful deportation and LAUGH at it! I can see maybe a cynical laugh of depression like "Haha, the government is at it again"...but that wasn't what you did. You read an article about a wrongful deportation and then, in the comments section for that article, just decided to laugh and call everyone here and the author idiots.
      Others have said it before and I'll say it again. You have no substance, no style, nothing to say that is meaningful in any way. You do not debate, you do not post anything that stimulates any sort of intellectual discussion, you have shown yourself to be the mental equivalent of Beavis and Butthead.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:15pm
        
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        His recent insanity is actually his employer telling him to get us to side with him by using "net slang".
        
        So he turned to drugs to find what this slang is, and now he's using the results..
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      - average_joe (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:19pm
        
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        I'm laughing at Mike's petulant whining about ICE and his attempt to turn this story into something about Operation in Our Sites/SOPA/PROTECT IP.
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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 5:24pm
        
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        In other words, you're laughing at nothing.
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        VMax, 4 Jan 2012 @ 9:55pm
        
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        Come on. average_joe is 14 years old. This is his only outlet because his parents bought him a computer and haven't talked to him since. Stop taking what he writes seriously. It's called acting out. Leave him alone, he has enough to deal with. OK?
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:38pm
  
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  Let's say there's a small campsite, really far from any cities, and at that campsite is some guy who's role is cooking. Everyone knows it, and it's no secret that the only thing he can be helpful with on this trip is cooking, and his beliefs are that his only concern on this trip is cooking. He normally cares nothing at all about other things (he's even changed his last name to Cook to get the point across).
  
  Now, if Mr. Cook was uncharacteristically getting some weird ideas from Ms. Davis (involving bombing the solar panel, the only source of electricity, to get rid of some mice), when normally he cares not at all about issues unrelated to his job, you'd probably be worried.
  
  Shortly after this, Mr. Cook's food started to taste weird. You don't think you've ever suffered a stomachache that bad before.
  
  Thinking that Mr. Cook's behavior has been really weird and not at all like himself, you might think that Mr. Cook's mental health is getting shaky on this trip. You wonder if maybe you should be in charge of the solar panel, not him.
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- G Thompson (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 10:51pm
  
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  Are you now categorically stating that Government is by your knowledge and definition NOT "dumb and stupid"?
  
  Are you sure you want to be remembered as stating this? Hint before you answer: think back to tax and admin laws/statutes, as well as Historic acts of government(s), as well as your own human observations using your intellect (that I know you have a fair amount of).
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nelsoncruz (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:33pm

Good start
This is actually a good start. Except for the red skinned "native americans", everyone in the US is either an illegal immigrant, an "anchor baby", or a descendant thereof.

Shouldn't ICE be deporting them all?
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- hothmonster, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:50pm
  
  Re: Good start
  ummm, white people stole this country a long time ago, its theirs now and they are not kicking themselves out anytime soon. Best we can hope for is they don't kill everyone in their race to destroy themselves/the planet.
  
  And be careful if enough minorities move into the US all the white people are gonna back up and take over another country, probably with some genocide, shady deals, and mass deportation
  
  /semi snark
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- Thomas (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:24pm
  
  Re: Good start
  The "native americans" migrated from Asia. If we are really thorough, there would be no one left, period.
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  - nelsoncruz (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 12:47am
    
    Re: Re: Good start
    I know, but they did get there first. And lived there for thousands of years before their land got stolen.
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Mike, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:50pm

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The 14 yr old girl lied. This will be harsh lesson in life. Don't lie and always tell the truth. If she told the truth, she'd be fine.

Stupid.
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:52pm
  
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  Hopefully ICE learned that sometimes people they detain lie and they should check their statements. I know I was suprised to learn that people still lie in this day and age too, at least we don't have racism or greed around anymore.
  
  stupid
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- Rikuo (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:58pm
  
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  So...let's take another stupid situation. Let's say drafting is once again enforced in the U.S. Let's say a 17-year old boy walks into a liquor store, and says he's 18. Let's say there's an army recruiter there too for some reason. He looks at the kid, grabs him, drafts him into the army and the kid gets shot.
  Was the kid stupid? Yes, for lying about his age to get beer. Did the kid deserve to get drafted? No, because that was a failure of the government representative to check the boy's age.
  
  The 14-year old girl lied about her name, and probably thought she had a very good reason to. Perhaps she's had bad experiences with cops before. We don't know. What we DO know is that ICE fucked up big time, in not at all bothering to verify her identity.
  Or are you actually saying that law enforcement should take the word of everyone they arrest as the gospel truth?
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- That Anonymous Coward (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 4:58pm
  
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  She was following ICE's example. ICE lies on a regular basis, why should they get to have all of the fun?
  
  I am willing to believe that this is not the first time this happened, and most likely will not be the last time until they have to start paying large lawsuits.
  
  Part of the problem is the demand of X deportations a year.
  Part of the problem is keeping the outside contracted "prison camps" full and making their owners money, and covering up the abuses.
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- abc gum, 4 Jan 2012 @ 6:20pm
  
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  "The 14 yr old girl lied. This will be harsh lesson in life. Don't lie and always tell the truth. If she told the truth, she'd be fine."
  
  Extreme Logic Failure on your part.
  
  Her lack of truthiness had nothing to do with the inept government bungling that occurred. Her real name could just as easily have been on the deportation list - which is, I guess, all that it takes to get a boot in yer ass. This will probably be held up as a shining example of why we need to carry our papers with us at all times - hell we will all need new, better papers soon in order to stop this sort of travesty from ever happening again. Subtle threats work great - huh.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:09pm

Where was she born?
East LA?
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Thomas (profile), 4 Jan 2012 @ 7:17pm

ICE...
is pretty much like the Gestapo; they do whatever they damn well please and don't care what happens to the victims. Why should they? They know full well that nothing will happen to them as a result of the poor kid being deported. there will be an "investigation", which is just like the "investigations" done by the American police departments' "internal affairs" people. In other words ignore it and issue statement "Everything was done properly."

The U.S. government spooks are now primarily responsible for preserving the multimillion dollar salaries of entertainment industry executives as well as other rich executives. They don't care about wrecking the lives of millions of innocent people.
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Violated (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 2:09am

Columbia
I can only presume her holiday in Columbia ended when it did not turn out as nice as she expected.

I believe they should be lenient with her shoplifting when it is not like 14 year old runaways can get jobs to support themselves.

Knowing the American way I am sure many would ponder how she liked Africa. LOL

I can only feel that this girl needs to write a book when she had quite an adventure.
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:32am
  
  Re: Columbia
  I'm sorry am I missing something? You do know that Columbia is not in Africa, right? I don't believe that they moved the country at any point...
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia
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snidely (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 4:28am

More lawsuits coming
In 2010, 14-year-old Jakadrien Turner ran away from home, "distraught over the loss of her grandfather and her parents' divorce."

I think this was a plot point of a recent Mad Men episode. They should totally sue Jakadrien for stealing their idea!
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Call me Al, 5 Jan 2012 @ 4:57am

There must have come a point...
First of all let me say that ICE were completely in the wrong here. Not establishing the girl's identity is utterly ridiculous and those responsible should be fired at the very least.

However... there must have come a point when the girl realised things were heading in an unexpected direction (such as when she boarded a plane for Columbia). At this point did she shout out the trust? Did she explain who she was, where she is from, how old she is?

If she did any of this and the officials still bundled on her to a plane then they need to be punished with more then just being sacked. If she didn't do any of this then she is stupid but certainly not to blame for being deported.
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- abc gum, 5 Jan 2012 @ 5:25am
  
  Re: There must have come a point...
  Girl: Wait, my real name is Jakadrien Turner!!!
  ICE: Yeah, right ... and everyone in prison is innocent - Hahahahahaha
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  - Call me Al, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:11am
    
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    I wouldn't be surprised if that is how it went but you'd think the words "But I'm only 14" would ring alarm bells for ICE and at least make then take another look at things.
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Scott, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:19am

So what's the solution?
Outrage. Outrage. Outrage.

But what is anyone proposing? Don't deport anyone. open borders? Ask the rest of the world to send all their convicts and nutters to the states?

You get someone who says they're a 22 year old from Columbia and never changes her story. She probably wanted the free trip.

It comes down to one screw up of not running the prints, but there's no mention that there was a set of prints on file to match either identity. But yeah, shut down the agency because they made one mistake.

BLAME THE GIRL. Do you really think there are medical tests to confirm age? There are 20 year olds who do look young. Which is more likely to be true: she looks young or she doesn't have the unique name she claimed. If she once said no, I'm a runaway call my mom, dad, grandma, school, dentist, ... she wouldn't have been deported.

Sounds like you're all really arguing for a national ID system with barcodes or implants given at birth. That's really the only way it can't be the girl's or parent's fault.
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- abc gum, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:05pm
  
  Re: So what's the solution?
  "Sounds like you're all really arguing for a national ID system with barcodes or implants given at birth. That's really the only way it can't be the girl's or parent's fault."
  
  I knew someone would try to argue this was proof of the need for the government to issue everyone new papers. Let's not forget that one must carry their papers at all times or suffer the consequences.
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Jan 2012 @ 6:49am

Perhaps ICE should be shut down. Permanently.
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Violated (profile), 5 Jan 2012 @ 10:41am

Re: Columbia
My point was that Americans are famous for being bad at geography. Not all people of course but many are still working on their states and avoid anything outside that. So some Americans would indeed falsely believe Columbia was in Africa and not South America.

For a more well known example of American knowledge then cruise ship tours around Europe are common for those in North America. In this case the tour guide pointed out that their next stop would be Southampton in England. When he asked if there were any questions then one American woman soon asked "Do they speak English here?"
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