MPAA: Ripping DVDs Shouldn't Be Allowed Because It Takes Away Our Ability To Charge You Multiple Times For The Same Content
from the um,-wow dept
It's that time again when the Librarian of Congress is considering special exemptions to the DMCA's anti-cicrumvention provisions. One of the key proposals, which we discussed earlier, was Public Knowledge's request to allow people to rip DVDs for personal use -- just as we are all currently able to rip CDs for personal use (such as for moving music to a portable device). The MPAA (along with the RIAA and others) have responded to the exemption requests (pdf) with all sorts of crazy claims, but let's focus in on the DVD ripping question, because it's there that the insanity of Hollywood logic becomes clear.Effectively, the MPAA is arguing that there is no evidence that ripping a DVD itself is legal, and since anti-circumvention exemptions are only supposed to be for legal purposes, this exemption should not apply. Leaving aside the sheer ridiculousness of the fact that we need to apply for exemptions to make legal acts legal (I know, I know...), this is quite a statement by the MPAA. While it's true that there hasn't been an official ruling on the legality of ripping a DVD, the fact that CD ripping is considered legal seems to suggest that movie ripping is comparable.
But the bigger point is that the MPAA is arguing that because they offer limited, expensive and annoying ways for you to watch movies elsewhere, you shouldn't have the right to place shift on your own:
Copyright owners include with many DVD and Blu- Ray disc purchases digital copies of motion pictures that may be reproduced to mobile devices and computers pursuant to licenses. Blu-Ray disc purchasers can also take advantage of "Managed Copy" services that are scheduled to launch in the U.S. later this year. Movie distributors and technology companies are also making available services such as UltraViolet, which enables consumers to access motion pictures on a variety of devices through streaming and downloading. Many movies and television shows are also available online through services such as Comcast Xfinity, Hulu and Netflix, or websites operated by broadcasters or cable channels, which consumers can enjoy from any U.S. location with internet access. With all of these marketplace solutions to the alleged problem PK points to, it is unlikely that the presence of CSS on DVDs is going to have a substantial adverse impact on the ability of consumers to space shift in the coming three years.Notice that almost all of these "market solutions" mean you have to pay multiple times for the same content -- and they ignore the fact that these offerings are all very limited and may not have the content on the DVDs people have. Public Knowledge has a quick summary of how these "solutions" are not solutions at all:
The MPAA had two specific suggestions. First, consumers could re-purchase access to a subscription service such as Netflix of Hulu. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this would require you to pay again to access a movie you already own; 2) these services require a high speed internet connection in order to work; 3) There is a reasonable chance that the movie you own is not available on any of those services at any given time; and 4) MPAA member studios regularly pull videos that were once available on those services off of those same services.When you think about it, this is really quite crazy. They're saying because they offer you an option to pay for a way too expensive, very limited option that might not really exist, you shouldn't have the right to rip your DVDs. This would be like the recording industry claiming you can no longer rip CDs because they offer a limited locked down selection of music in an online store. People would revolt at such a claim, and they should find the MPAA's ridiculous claims here equally as revolting.
The MPAA’s second suggestion was even less helpful. In their comments, they pointed to Warner Brothers’ DVD2Blu program. This program allows people to use their existing DVDs as a coupon towards the purchase of a handful of Warner Blu-Ray disks. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this program is limited to Warner Brothers films; 2) the program is limited to 25 exchanges per household; 3) while some Blu-Ray disks include digital copies that can be moved to other devices, it is unclear how many of the disks in the DVD2Blu program include that option; 4) only 100 movies are included in the entire program; and 5) each exchange costs at least $4.95 plus shipping (which, for the record, is about as much as it would cost to buy the digital file from Amazon.).
If the MPAA stopped there, it would be crazy enough... but no, in the mind of Hollywood, they have to take it even further. They claim that because the ability to rip your DVD might take away their ability to keep charging you for the same content over and over again, that it goes against the purpose of copyright law. Seriously. They're actually claiming that their ridiculous "windows" are "new business models" that copyright law is designed to encourage:
In fact, granting PK’s proposed exemption would be directly counter to the purpose of this rulemaking. It would undermine emerging business models that increase access to creative works in precisely the manner Congress intended the DMCA to promote.But that's pure bullcrap. The business models in question do not "increase access." They increase the ways in which you can pay. If they want to increase access, they would let you rip your damn movie.
It is clear that access controls have increased consumers’ options with respect to motion pictures in digital formats. The Register should not interfere with that progress. Instead, she should endorse it.Up is down, black is white, day is night. Controls have increased consumer options? No freaking way. Controls have limited options... but have allowed the MPAA studios to set up tollbooths and charge people multiple times for content they legally had purchased the rights to.
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That's all they're licensed to respond with - they aren't allowed to think for themselves.
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The solution to this issue is to Boycott all Big Content and go out and find a used copy somewhere that was either purchased by a troll or by a mass consumer type.
The MPAA & RIAA should just die already.Simply put I Hate Your Frakkin Guts !!!
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And then they'll spin it out till they have another script for a Vin Diesel or Chuck Norris action flick. PIRATES OF THE INTERNET!
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i don't really get to "own" it?
is it illegal to host a web site instructing people how to rip DVDs? i'm not talking about hosting the programs to do it- just the steps and names of programs required to make it happen..
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i don't really get to "own" it?"
You do get to own it, on that particular DVD.
You can move it around, as long as it stays on that particular DVD.
If that particular DVD gets damaged and becomes unplayable, you get the opportunity to own it again on another DVD or to not own it.
It is a fact however that not owning it has more features than owning it.
You can not own a movie in multiple formats suitable for any and all devices existing or imagined, at the same time and you can share your non ownership with anyone you choose at anytime.
In fact groups of up to 40,000 can share their common non-ownership in ways that are totally non infringing.
For example, they could sell tickets to a non showing of a non owned film which they could not display in a stadium setting.
This could be the next big thing in entertainment.
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But maybe you'd win.
After all it cannot be illegal to say you will definitively not be showing a particular film... can it?
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Telling someone how to do something should always be protected under the 1st amendment. If the act is illegal and they then actually perform the act, then they would be liable for breaking the law, but you should have no liability for sharing the information.
It's not to say that some jackass lawyer might not try to sue for spreading the information but no competent judge should allow the case to proceed.
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The concern isn't "selling you the same thing multiple times", rather, it is selling it to all the people who want it, rather than using your single copy as source material for however many pirated copies you see fit.
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Think of ripping a DVD as the first step towards piracy. You may not intend it, but it happens often enough.
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and i'd like to not be restricted just because you're a thieving pirate
see how that works?
in other news: dvd ripping is the new gateway drug; hide your children!
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Doubtless the next step is trafficking in counterfeit medicines then child pornography and then, next thing you know, it's international terrorism.
Won't somebody please think of the profits?
Er, children, think of the children, forget the bit about the profits.
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The Range Rider rides again...
"Who was that masked man?"
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So what? Who cares?
I bought the DVD, I can do WHATEVER I want with it.
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For those saying we're not "buying" it we're "licensing" it...If we're licensing them, they should replace any "lost" media at no cost.
Nevermind...Noting to see here...Move along...
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"You're not BUYING our stuff, we're LICENSING it to you."
"So, if I lose my disk, you'll replace it."
"Hell no! You need to purchase another one."
"But, if I have a license to own the DVD, then you'll have to replace it."
"Fine, you bought it."
"Oh, so it's mine then? I can do whatever I want with it?"
"No! Because it's a license!"
"You're not making any sense."
"Screw the rules! We have money!"
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ONLY MURDERERS HAVE HAMMERS!
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Here is the real problem though, same as any DRM. THIS DOES NOT EFFECT PIRATES. No protection scheme they come up with will ever be truly effective at stopping someone who knows what they are doing from getting around it. It only inconveniences people who legally purchased the product. It gives device manufactures a monopoly on selling content on their device and forces people who don't know how to get around and don't want to pirate to purchase things over and over again.
People who download the pirate version can use it on any device. And people will always be able to crack a DVD. Its another but but but PIRACY incidence. When they full well know that pirates are unaffected and the true goal is making all the value that used to come free on a DVD be something they can charge for.
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Think long and hard about this: is that really the sort of justification you think is appropriate for a law? Let's break that down, because it holds true regardless of context:
Think of (a) as the first step towards (b). You may not intend (b), but it happens often enough.
Now, picture a society that creates laws based on that kind of logic...
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I tried it once- downstairs neighbor gave me a thumb drive, I copied the ISO to it.
"I tried to play it but it didn't work"
Did you mount it?
"That's gross"
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Says who? You?
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think of purchasing internet service as the first step towards piracy, you may not intend it, but it happens often enough
think of buying playing cards as the first steps towards illegal gambling, you may not intend it but it happens often enough
this is not about making copys for others, this is about being able to use the movie you buy in different formats, ones they want to charge you for each
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You use words like "generally" and "might." These words are used when there is no evidence backing a hypothesis. Give us facts if you want your post to sound like more than ignorant suppositions.
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I have never (not once) put a ripped dvd on any website, and yet, even that is illegal as far as the movie industry is concerned.
If you don'tsee that as f**ked up, then I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.
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According to the movie and music industries, ANY copying for ANY purpose is illegal, and theft.
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"Schizophrenic's will have to buy a copy for each personality that wishes to watch our disks*"
*discamer, only currently applys to digital versatile disks. other disk types will be added at a later date
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If you actually *view* the content on a DVD, you might accidentally make a copy of some of it in your head, and thus you've violated the copyright.
Please visit your local brainwashing department for immediate removal of the copy.
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No need, didn't you know they're already rolling out the home version?
It's called 'The IP Protection Board'. It's really very simple actually, anytime you watch a movie, listen to a song, or read a book, to avoid copying it to memory, and therefore stealing the movie/song/book in question, you pick up the board by the edges(1) near one end, bring it back as far as possible, and then slam it as hard as you can into your head.
Then you rinse and repeat the process until you forget what you just watched/listened to/read, ensuring that you never end up stealing a copy of it to store in your mind.(2)
(1)The plain version is just normal wood, but the deluxe, which costs a mere $250 more, has padded foam edges to grip. What a steal for such a minor price increase right?
(2)Chanting 'pies lesu domine, dona eis requiem' between blows to the head is entirely optional, though highly recommended, as it helps you keep a steady head-bashing rhythm, and allows you to avoid going either too fast, or too slow.
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I have tried looking it up before (so I could see what it meant) and could never spell it in a way that I was given the accurate spell check...
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Pay no mind to the fact that the little clip made me want to watch the whole movie again of course, that's just dirty pirate apologist talk.
If you were looking for the translation, apparently it's something along the lines of "Pious Lord Jesus, give him rest."
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Yet they still manage to make money.
It must be because they're so big, it wouldn't work for anyone else.
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Please cite your sources proving WE do this.
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Heh. What I see is having to pay for something I can already do myself.
Next you will try to convince me that such things as giving Hollywood the ability to remove movies from my account or having my viewing habits tracked or deleting all of my movies if I miss a monthly payment are adding some kind value to me.
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Aim gun at foot, pull trigger.
If I had the choice, I would prefer such a jukebox.
That option was pretty much denied me so I just copy spinny disks to a big hard drive.
Now all of that stuff that could be in a nice enclosure is just a bunch of files sitting on a PC somewhere.
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Ah ha ha hahaha hahahahahahahaha hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
That's about the funniest thing I think I've ever seen in print.... possibly ever.
I've bought rather a lot of content thank you very much and I've yet to see one piece offered in ANY format that I can use on my windows computer (with Bluray drive), laptop (DVD only but HD screen), Linux machine (no drive at all), media box connected to High-def television, tablet, smartphone, iPod and any other device I might fancy at the time and see in the best possible format on whatever device I like without having to jump through hoops to get it there or prove every 15 seconds I paid for it.
The fact that you happen to think I'm a nasty, evil piraty pirate is not my problem. I paid for the content, I want to be able to watch it whenever and wherever I want. When you have a product that can do that, I might even be willing to pay a few more sheckles for it instead of fishing the trash out of the bargain bin when it's cheap enough for me to bother.
Doesn't exist... so stop pretending it does and since I can only assume with lines like that that you work for such an organisation, try giving me what I ask for - I will lay you a large bet you'll make more money than you do now that way no matter how may people copy it.
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I realize you are saying "I want it on every device, at the highest possible quality in any format I choose" and that's not really reasonable.
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Because the law is creating a immoral harmful monopoly?
Thanks but no thanks, this is one thing the government will have to learn to let go, I will laugh at politicians all the way to my grave.
Youtube: Stream video to another PC with VLC Player
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Erm, why not? It's perfectly possible now, but only with non-DRMed pirated content. It's up to the industry to offer this legally, but there's no technical reason why they can't.
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Heads up - it works that way already.
"I realize you are saying "I want it on every device, at the highest possible quality in any format I choose" and that's not really reasonable."
I have that already, how can it be unreasonable?
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SO is the problem that my "utopia" isn't possible, or that a bunch or moron corporations are too scared of what I "might" do with a film to allow me to do it legally and pay for it once?
Again, an artificial system to limit what is possible is not progress. The aim should be to make money out of the possibilities not pretend they don't exist.
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While you didn't explicitly state it, it sounds suspiciously like you are using nothing but Apple products and that your solution would IMMEDIATELY FAIL if you added a single non-Apple product into the mix.
Ditch the DRM and there's no problem. Anything can play anywhere. The technical hurdles are trivial. The only real problem is that your solution will get sued out of existence if you try to sell it as a ready made consumer product.
What's so unreasonable about something I already have?
Just put a DRM free QT video in the package instead of an iTunes redemption code. Non-problem solved.
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That's funny - I've had something for years that lets me do exactly those things. It's called a computer. Perhaps you have heard of them?
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Why should I let the fragile plastic disks get used daily by my small children (both boys, 5.5 and 4) when I can simply rip them and send them over the network to the PS3, or play them though XBMC on the "server" hooked up to the TV.
Anyways, I've got a few of the blu-ray + dvd + download thing, they only work on windows usually, and sometimes OSX.
I refuse to buy new hardware at this point, just about everything is less than 2-3 years old. If the new system(content management) doesn't work on that equipment, it might as well not exist for at least 5 more years. It had also better work on linux, in 64bit, using modern linux techs, (alsa, VDPAU/VA-API, pulseaudio, recent kernels, etc).
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You mean, they offer us a solution to the problems they deliberately created in the first place and have us pay for it too? Brilliant! That's so gonna work.
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Feb 15th, 2012 @ 1:27pm
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It's like fighting over who gets to look at a painting, when the painting is in plain view of everyone who wants to see it, all of the time.
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Can't we sue these jerks for fraud or misleading advertising, perhaps both?
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it would be funny as hell if they lost the copyright to the first person sold to though
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"Digital Copy"
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Oh well, back to being an "evil pirate" to get the digital copy I paid for, I suppose...
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Copies
Content shifting is a modern past time now we have many more devices than just the TV to watch media on.
It may have been nice to stick a DVD in my MP4 player but the massive flaws here is that my MP4 has no DVD slot and the actually DVD is bigger than the MP4 player.
This is not to forget that all my DVDs have every trace of the Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) scrubbed clean including their ghastly anti-piracy video which meant burning a nice copy with their video removed. Although these days I will add the Copying is not Stealing video instead.
I tend to more buy imports to save the hassle.
As to FACT's "You wouldn't steal a car" then yes FACT I have now download an actual car from the Internet. Stolen no, but copied yes. Kind of like their member's movies.
Anyway they will only get one sale unless a second sale offers much improved features. It is a good policy to force improvement.
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No, but I'd download a copy or two of that bad boy and some of their relatives. A nice estate to keep them at, a wife, two point five children and the white picket fence ;-)
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"See, by only providing content through locked down, time limited, location restricted methods, the studios are actually giving us a lot more choices in how we consume our content. Dirty pirates can only consume their content in one way: no encryption, HD, and worldwide. But the studios give us an unending stream of different choices that provide real value to their content. Maybe you want DRM that requires a constant connection to the internet. They have that. Maybe you DRM that limits you to only certain devices. They have that. Maybe you want content that's purposefully degraded. They have that. Maybe you want to be able to watch content only in the US. They have that. Canada? They have that too. Content that expires after 48 hours? No problem. Maybe you want to have to watch it in the theater? They got you covered. The depth and breadth of choices that the studios provide is something that the evil pirates just cannot cover. The other day I asked someone at the pirate bay for an encrypted copy of The Grey that would only play on my computer for a week and they couldn't do it!"
Back then it was funny, now that they actually come out and state this for the truth is just sad.
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Why should I pay multiple times for the same content? By the time the movie makes it to DVD, the actor and everyone associated with it has been paid for their part, even the caterer and the guy sweeping the floors. At this point the actors get a cut of every sale, rental or license. That being the case, if I have a DVD of Mystery Men and want to watch it on my iPod, I have no problem ripping it because everyone has already been paid...right?
When was the last time anyone was prosecuted or even arrested for ripping a DVD for personal use?
I'm pretty sure the answer to that last question is never.
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I'm pretty sure the answer to that last question is never.
I think the more appropriate answer from the shills would be "We're working on it."
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Same for movie companies. Theater -> Rental -> Owning.
They've been making their money off that for a long time. They want to continue to do be able to do that. They want to create a legal framework where they can, in effect, rent content to you.
Should they be able to ?
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I know a way to fix that: Only the winning lawyers get paid. Losers don't. That would do two things. First, it would make going to court both more of a gamble, and less of a financial burden. And two, it would weed out bad lawyers in a very Darwinian fashion.
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That's fine, but you probably won't be able to charge your unauthorized "pirate car" due to DRM.
Sony shows power outlets that can control electricity by user, device, or source
Thanks SONY...
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I must admit I agree completely.. Now if only they were honest about that purpose when they made the rules..
I wonder how many of the parts of sopa and acta that people are up in arms about and they claim are bogus concerns will they eventually admit that was the intended purpose all along.
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The Copyright office must grant this exemption, it is a very real concern for many who have invested thousands of dollars in a video library.
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Cue the usual industry lies.
No, that's not how it works. That's just industry propaganda.
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MPAA Stealing Fair Use.
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http://www.cracked.com/article_19683_6-terrifying-user-agreements-youve-probably-accepted.html
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This is what an out of control monopoly looks like.
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So they mean that I should spend insane amounts of money buying movies that were on my (regularly) damaged DVDs again just because I have poor health (which isn't even my fault)?
(And yes, I actually prefer buying movies instead of pirating them. But I don't claim to be particularly sane...)
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Doesn't affect consumers
As with most of these legal discussions, the maximalists seem to argue as if everything that is illegal is also impossible, and that legalizing it will somehow open the floodgates- floodgates that in reality have been wide open for like fifteen years.
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Re: Doesn't affect consumers
So now I have to teach my kids that some laws are OK to ignore?
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They are threatening economic sanctions to anyone who doesn't comply.
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Anyway, what a crazy rule. Ripping DVDs is pretty normal. I don't know anyone who doesn't and that includes my grandparents who are hitting their 70s.
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Yes, I've noticed.
Yes, I have noticed that. And I don't. If I've purchased a book, a record, or a movie once then as far as I'm concerned, they've made their money off me...and I am NOT going to pay them for the same content again. (Given that my music, book, and video collection exceeds 10,000 items, they've made a LOT of money off me.)
So anything in another format -- like, say, a digital version of a movie that I bought in 1995 -- is fair game. I won't pay for it: why should I? Doubly so when they'll take the money, stiff the content creators, and use it to try to censor the Internet?
Don't like it, industry trolls? You'll like this even less: new developments in torrents mean that we can fit the entire Pirate Bay on a USB stick. And we're not done: we'll never be done until we've destroyed you. And we're just getting started.
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Re: Yes, I've noticed.
Star Wars was made back in the 70's, look how many times people have paid good money to see the different versions of that movie series alone!!!!!
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HEY lets apply this to everything
HEY why sell people cars when you can sell them to them over and over again.
MAN this is gonna make everyone loads a cash
LETS all push for it in every job sector and area
OH and we need ot make a one billion dollar bill and some millions cause i think we're all gonna be carrying around wheel barrels a cash paying each off...
WOOT
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Chya
yes, sometimes I shock even myself.
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It's a way of selling convenience out of "artificially created" inconvenience.
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They have guns, they are on boats, they are taking whatever they want = Pirates, Real Problem.
They have computers, they are in houses, they are downloading whatever they want = Pirates, Average (complacent) Citizen.
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!MIKE FAILED!
You talk about the momentum from SOPA/PIPA protests, but fail to make easy for people to speak up.
I called the library of congress but the person I talked to had no idea who you call for getting your voice heard.
Note, this is NOT a Troll post.
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Re: !MIKE FAILED!
If you didn't say the part about calling the library of Congress, I *MIGHT* have thought it was a serious post.
Go outside and get away from the computer for awhile.
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No they can't. They will be able to later this year, unless something happens to the schedule. They can't even help contradicting themselves in a single sentence.
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[..]can enjoy from any U.S. location[..]
Newsflash!
Not everybody lives in U.S. And we all know that IF this stupidly bogus whatever gets sanctioned there, it will get pushed in Europe, Australia and probably some other places in a heartbeat.
So I guess it is ok to make people need to obey the laws that doesn't give them ANY value whatsoever.
Waiting for "it will be available in other countries soon(tm)". Probably... around the second Mars colony opening ceremony.
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Failure in the system
However none of that matters. Even if they are not ready to admit it, they have already lost this war. They can either change how they do business or sink into oblivion.
On that note check out "tribler"
Enjoy.
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The people who tried to use got confused and couldn't use the damn thing.
Quote:
http://cnsnews.com/image/ultraviolet-backlash
Warner Bros. giving iTunes redemption codes to unhappy UltraViolet users
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=136134
Ultraviolet is broken but that is just a silly detail.
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Just take the Blue Pill
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Is RIAA & MPAA member offshore banking funding terrorists?
Offshore banking shouldn't be allowed because it might be used to fund terrorists.
Their companies should be seized and liquidated immediately.
I dare them to prove it's not true! Prove they aren't secretly funding terrorists! Why would they hide their money unless they were planning on attacking the US? All MPAA & RIAA members should be monitored 24/7 because they might be cheating on their taxes.
Maybe the secret police should raid their offices and they should be held indefinitely without trial and interrogated until they confess?
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lol
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The only way to bring down their business model is by starving it. We live in an era where entertainment can be found very easy and for any price. My life is not better if I see the last movie that x or y made.
I will reward the artist that gives me the best quality and the least restrictions for my money.
I recently bought a book from a blog that I am following for at least 3 years. The reason? One they released their first book for free after 2 years. Second although I could wait for 2 years and get it for free or find other means (pirates) by buying it its my way of saying to them that they do a good job and I like them to continue doing it.
For any other "entertainment" makers out there.... if I don't like you f*** you!
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Ripping DVD's
If a DVD/CD won't rip/contains obvious DRM - it is defective and goes in the garbage - and I would have no qualms about downloading a torrent copy after the ceremonial bining of the original - It's mine, I bought it - and I own it. Studios taking exception to this can go take the proverbial flying f%@k...
In the end the consumer has the power, and we know what is fair... More importantly - we should decide what is aceptable
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MPAA kicks people on crutches.
I was recently in an accident in which I broke one of my feet and the opposite leg. I spend a considerable time on bedrest, so I plunked down a couple dollars for a Netflix subscription.
After a month that got boring, and I fell back on the rather large dvd collection that I have. My first time I was lucky, I made it to the shelf in the hallway, taking time for a bathroom break. It took sixteen minutes to get a dvd from the shelf to my player. Not bad.
Second try was a failure, dropped 2 cases on the floor, left them there for the wife to pick up. Made it with the third movie.
My wife must have called my daughter, who in turn dragged my son-in-law over. we had a discussion of my adventures over dinner, after which my daughter started boxing my movies up. She said she was going to help me out a little, which I didn't question.
The next day my daughter let herself into the house as I was trying to figure out what to watch on Netflix. She promptly shut off my player and plugged a portable hard drive into the player. Every one of my movies was on there, albeit absent the subtitles I like to use sometimes.
My son-in-law had taken my dvd collection and put them on that hard drive. When I get back on my feet, both figuratively and literally, I am definately going to help him with that shed he's been bugging me about.
Moral of the story: not everybody at all times has the capability to load up their precious plastic discs in order to watch a movie.
I can't think of the movies off the top of my head, but Netflix didn't have some of the movies in my collection, plus I'd rather watch the movies off the hard drive, it doesn't take 30-40 seconds of staring at the 'Buffering' icon to skip forward.
So, either you like the government monitoring your internet usage or you kick puppies; the MPAA can either let people rip their lawfully purchased movies or they kick people on crutches... like me.
Here's a nice finger for you, MPAA.
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meh
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I bought it -- I own it.
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You take what we give you and don't complaint, we are giving you a break here by taking all of your rights from you we didn't need to give anything back by we throwed you a bone.
Now sheep, stop complaining and open your bank to auto debit charges so we can charge you for anything we want and don't complain you have no rights, we are the owner of rights you are not, do you understand that? we own the rights you won nothing.
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BluRay DRM 'Allows' this .. BlueRay 'Allows' that etc ..
We were pretty much on the same page as you Mike and we repeatedly asked him how BlueRay could possibly 'Allow' what we already can do, since by definition DRM is created to restrict. He stuck stubbornly to repeating the 'BluRay allows' mantra without ever addressing questions. I became curious and did some searching using the shill's username and discovered that the shill was actually a member of the developement team that created one of the potential DRM schemes proposed for BlueRay. When I called him out on this he vanished from the Boycott RIAA forums, never to return.
The 'DRM Allows' spin has been around for a long time and the ONLY ones who spout it are inevitably found to be connected to the industry in one capacity or another. I have yet to meet anyone who supports such gobbledygook that isn't in the industry 'food chain'.
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Frustrated Lawyers
The funny thing is that the studios could probably make more money by making movies MORE accessible than less accessible. For example, we've seen computer games WITHOUT DRM sell a heck of a lot more games than games WITH DRM. And O'Reilly Books has found that the more its books get "pirated" the more printed versions it sells. (IT guys apparently like to preview books before they buy them!)
And there's also synergy that the studios still seem to be ignoring. Ask George Lucas how that worked out. He made more money by selling Star Wars toys and books than he did from his movies. And Disney has known this for decades. The amusement park business kept Disney alive when it was turning out crappy movies.
Getting the studios to see the light is going to take a lot of time and effort!
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No, you can't watch that Blockbuster movie you bought on your Tivo any more
This is why I NEVER buy anything that has DRM. You lose your investment immediately if they choose to just stop supporting you. At least with DVD's, I can keep my old player as long as I want. Heck, my mom still watches her VHS tapes!
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Fancy rentals
Any "managed copy" that is dependent on DRM and validation of that DRM can become unusable at any time for any number of reasons including some trivial network glitch.
It have seen this with iTunes "digital copies".
A little network trouble and your "digital copies" are unusable but your ripped stuff is fine.
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LOOOL!
As for all this disc ripping, who cares, just torrent it all, they go suck a fat one.
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In my opinion to stop this, let's just simple stop making DVD's and Bluray copies.
Instead of buying a DVD/Bluray player, get an External Hard Drive, or an Internal big one for all your movies in SD/HD.
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as much as i don't like torrenting, if the movie companies want to charge me twice for the same movie, i will draw the line. honestly, it is unethical to charge people twice when they want to make movie watching more efficient. if i can get digital copies i take them though.
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