Parent Claims 'Ender's Game' Is Pornographic; Teacher Who Read It To Students Put On Temporary Leave
from the all-those-buggers dept
Like many kids, I read Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game around the time I was in middle school (where I was from, it was junior high school) -- which is about when it came out. I don't remember exactly when I got the book, but I do remember that the reason I read it was because my father had heard about it and after reading it himself thought I'd like it. He was right. As the next two books in the series came out, I read those too. About five years ago I reread the whole series (including the additional "Shadow" books that came out later) and it's still an enjoyable set of books, even if the first book is by far the best of the bunch. So it's a bit crazy to hear that a middle school teacher in South Carolina was put on paid administrative leave for reading part of the book in class, after a parent argued that the book is "pornographic." I have to admit, I can't remember anything about the book being even remotely "pornographic," though, as Julian Sanchez joked, the book is full of "buggers."As Reason points out, the police were even called in to investigate, though (thankfully) they quickly determined that no criminal charges should be filed. But, seriously, what is wrong with people that they'd claim that such a popular book, and one that so many young teenagers read, is pornographic, and that a teacher should be investigated for reading it? Since when did we become so fearful of words and stories? Ender's Game is widely considered a good book for teens to read, and with very good reason.
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Streisand, here we come
Rather a small consolation to the teacher, though.
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Stealing Ron Paul's Liberty Theme
Anyway, since this is a forum concerning so-called "intellectual property"; Ron Paul should sue Santorum for stealing the look and feel of Paul's candidacy. (just joking for those who take this too seriously.)
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Re: Stealing Ron Paul's Liberty Theme
He is a religious nutter. No religious nutter understands liberty. That is why religious nutters should never get voted into public office. They have a long record of abuse of power, motivated by their own religious beliefs, to deprive others of their liberty.
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fyi trolling requires some wit so u dont get out of ur stupidity that way
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I think the joke xebikr was going for was a juxtaposing Orson Scott Card with Mitt Romney. Both Mormons.
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This is from South Carolina, You should be saying "Newt for President".
(imho God created Santorum to make Newt look acceptable.)
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Wtf???
Anyhow, I own a copy and have read it many times--for the life of me I do not recall it being pornographic in any way.
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Yeah, they're in a public shower, so there's no clothes.
But they were showering.
Then there was a fight.
And Ender accidentally (Or does he?) kills Bonzo.
As is sometimes the case, this claim of obscenity makes me wonder more about the accuser. They simply had to be going out of their way to find something that wasn't there.
*Being that this books is over 20 years old now, I consider the spoilers limitation null and void.
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In the end I don't see what the excitement is about with this book anyway. Its half baked morality play plot is implausable and poorly constructed and the writing formulaic and stilted. Its just not that good.
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"It's the feast of Sol Invictus, dammit!"
"It's not Easter, It's Eostre, you assholes!"
"If you don't call it Samhain, I'm gonna Sam-Brain you!"
Granted, it was only one girl protesting, but she'd cast a level 5 Intimidating Shout before she started in, so shit got real very quickly.
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Pornographic
The book is about a small little boy, and the only way you would think it was pornographic is if you get excited thinking about small little boys.
OH!!!. NOW I get it!
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Clearly that's pornography.
US culture strikes me as rather peculiarly puritan. Guns and violence galore on tv, video games and in graphic novels. And kids can watch, play and read that all they want. But as soon as there's even 1 nipple in it, it becomes "BURNINATE ALL THE TEEVEE, VIDJEMAGAMES, BOOKS!" in a hurry.
As if we should all be ashamed to have a body.
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The other two books are another young adult novel and an Agatha Christie novel, neither of which are pornographic.
I think a parent overreacted badly.
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I hope you didn't sprain anything from jumping that hard...
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Heck, no!!! They get "shown" the Bible at least once a week, every Sunday.
They need to actually READ the darn thing (and guided study programs that start with predetermined conclusions and circular "reasoning" supported by verses out of context -- don't count).
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Ender's Game' Is Pornographic
porno porno porno oh no oh no oh no
http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html
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Shove one 'em those ther 'nades up my shoot. I'm for outttie!
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Next time, post a warning, or something.
"What has been read cannot be unread"
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"The book in fact caters towards two related fetishes. The most obvious of these is geek wish-fulfillment."
"In the best traditions of porn, each chapter is simply a build-up to a catharsis."
"There is no dramatic tension or genuine excitement about any of these encounters; the only tension comes from how long the inevitable catharsis can be delayed."
This could be said for the average mystery novel or most van Damme movies...
Basically this person is saying "how dare nerds gratify their wish for revenge on all those righteous jocks who pummelled them in the locker room".
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Actually, I think there is...
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I see it the other way
We are all born atheists. We do not know or believe in any higher being until it is thrust upon us by our parents/family. The only difference between believing in God or Allah is which family you were raised by. What I see is religion loosing more and more control over society and panicking as a result of this loss.
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Still, religion or the lack thereof doesn't prevent monumental stupidity.
Oh, FYI, God and Allah are the same deity. Different names, same deity.
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So if the parent isn't a Christian with an axe to grind, they've still got issues of some kind.
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Whoever they are, they certainly have issues.
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i'm going with 'no'
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Actually, we are born Atheist in that we have "no belief in God(s)" until we're taught to do so. Agnosticism, like gnosticism, is about knowledge... not about belief. Your confidence in your ability to know something and your belief one way or the other regarding God are two very different things and are not mutually exclusive. The term "Agnostic" defined as someone who isn't sure if they believe in God is a wretched and deliberately disingenuous label created by Theists as a kinder softer more redeemable middle ground, allowing them to further isolate and demonize Atheists as "people who choose not to believe in God".
The same arrogant and ignorant campaign to redefine concepts like Agnosticism, or "Scientific Theory", is what makes these people so despicable, and it shouldn't be surprising when someone jumps to the conclusion that the latest southern parent to reject a book with hardly any sex as "pornographic" is a fundamentalist Christian. It's a fairly well founded assumption.
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Our understanding of newborn brains and the human learning process leaves me confident I was also an Aconsumerist, an Acartesianist, an Amazdakist, and quite likely an Azoroastrianist as well.
"I don't think anyone knows what a baby believes..."
Obviously you're an Agnostic.
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anyway, can babies really understand such complex concepts beyond things like "I want mommy" "I want food"?
Actually why are we arguing about this?
Lastly, nope I'm not agnostic :3
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Atheists know they dont belive.
Since babys dont belive at all you should put them to the later even if they dont know that they are not beliving.
(On the other hand small children belive everything you tell them, even the most ridicioulus bullshit, so maby you should callthem "perfect theist")
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You can be an agnostic atheist, where you don't think there's a god but you can't be sure. Or a gnostic atheist, where you claim to know there's no god. Just like you can be an agnostic theist, where you think there's a god but can't be sure. Or a gnostic theist, where you claim to know there's a god.
Agnostic is not claiming knowledge. Atheism has to do with belief. Seriously... not a hard concept. The dictionary can help you.
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What amuses me is how the more 'religious' (read: insecure) Christians feel the need to try and 'disprove' or deny the existence of atheism, as if by its very existence it negates god.
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To Paraphrase the Teacher
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Confused?
Or, just maybe, they meant to say Mormographic?
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/rant
WHY DO YOU FORCE ME TO CAPITALIZE ENGLISH OH RED SQUIGGLE LINE??!! Maybe I don't think it deserves to be capitalized. In the end, I have bowed to the almighty squiggle line:(
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I didn't mean 'proper' as in 'correct'. There are two categories of noun - common and proper. A common noun doesn't have a capital letter, and refers to a person, place of thing. A proper noun does have a capital letter, and refers to a spceific person, place or thing. A person's name, 'Marcel' for example, is a proper noun, whereas 'person' is a common noun.
So the sentence I typed was correct:
The Almighty Squiggle Line (name)probably believes that "English"(name) is a proper noun, deserving of a capital letter. Your obeisance to the Almighty Squiggle Line was wise, young Grasshopper.(name, and KungFu reference).
And I try very hard to resist the lure of being a grammar Nazi, but since the OP asked, I thought it was okay to answer. :)
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I see you there, lurking on the periphery of my vision.
But when I try to look at you, you scurry away.
Are you shy, squiggly line?
Why only when I ignore you do you return to the center of my eye?
Oh, squiggly line, it's all right. You are forgiven.
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It's Larry Flynt's Fault...
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Rose the Nose
Obviously like another person that commented this accusation of pornography had to have come from the deep south or some other place where inbreeding has caused some brain damage.
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1. It's a sci-fi book that many folks who read this site likely read.
2. We post all sorts of stuff that wouldn't normally be considered "tech" but which think are interesting.
3. Why does it matter?
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In other words:
"I come here to read all the IP entries so I can troll and shrill. Instead I read this entry that I actually agree agree with so have to come up with some sort of put down and negative comment to justify my small existence."
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"Everybody erupted in laughter. It took Ender a moment to understand why. Rose had programmed his desk to display-- and animate-- a bigger-than-life sized picture of male genitals, which waggled back and forth as Rose held the desk on his naked lap. This is just the sort of commander Bonzo would trade me to, thought Ender. How does a boy who spends his time like this win battles?"
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Pornography or porn is the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual arousal and erotic satisfaction.
Genitals, by themselves, are not sexual. Even waggling back and forth doesn't qualify it, especially since the purpose was amusement and not arousal.
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http://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/enders-game
I guess that a vague written description of a video of male genitalia might be pornographic. I don't really think any part of the human body is inherently pornographic, but I can see how a reasonable person might. I might even have a problem with reading that passage to, say, a 5 year old. But it's ridiculous to file a criminal complaint for reading it to a 14 year old.
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A CLASSIC!
Even if books could somehow be thought of as "pornographic", I've read way way worse books from my middle-school library.
Also, Ender's Game was the best, the sequels were kinda meh, and then Ender's Shadow and it's sequels were Amazing!
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And the 'Shadow' sequels more than Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide
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More and more, I've had it with religion. Even today, its still killing in the name of peace. While Islam is labeled the religion of peace, there are sure a lot of people dying over it.
The Pope seems to have a lot of troubles between the church, pedophilia, and priests.
Is there much difference between this and Sanatorum wanting to do a war on porno and the whole GOP wanting in your bedroom to see you are doing sex in the approved manner?
Humans didn't learn a dang thing during the Inquisition and it looks as if they all want to go back to it, one step at a time if the way present laws are made, considered, and approved.
Lord, save me from your followers...
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As for Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Mystery, etc...there are some fantastic authors out there. While have not read Ender's Game, I will likely do so now and get my 10 yr old son to read it. As for "pornographic" material, if you have read anything by Erik Van Lustbader(spelling?) or any of The Game of Thrones series, one would understand what potentially pornographic material is.
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Ender's Game.... Pornographic... man, they must have some amazing drugs down there to come to a conclusion like that.
Mentally reviewing the book, the only thing that comes even vaguely close is the shower scene(s) where for some strange reason the people washing up aren't dressed.
Of course if that's the reason I can only assume the nutjob who filed the complaint thinks that beaches and swimming pools are likewise horrid pits of sin and obscenity.
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Besides, he gets safely married and sprogs and only follows his old master when about to die. Not exactly Brokeback Mountain.
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Think of the children!
And then I wish they'd realize how stupid that sounds and apply the lesson to all their other efforts to sterilize the world and "save the children".
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What lesson to learn from this?
First, the awesome power of denunciation. Most of these comments are about the book, not about whether a teacher should be suspended based upon a complaint.
Second, literacy is a very suspicious and those who promote the literate lifestyle need to be closely watched and monitored at all times.
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Jeepers, Mr. Wizard!
a) trying to get Enders Game banned for being pornographic,
b) using that to prove that religion is a blight on the earth, or
c) getting upset because there are some (numerically indeterminate) nutcases that don't like [my|your|his|her|its] views.
I think this thread is entertaining. I just don't know if I can stomach it. Prejudice is not the exclusive property of any one group.
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Catch 22!
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He's not wearing any pants, you know...
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Well my daddy wasnt a dang monkey!!!!
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porographic book
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