5 Year Old Who Drew A Gun In Crayon Forced To Sign No-Suicide Contract With School
from the a-thousand-words dept
When I was in middle-school, Mortal Kombat was released on home video game consoles. Because my friends and I loved the game so much, we used to draw pictures of the characters doing seriously horrible things to one another. As in, rectal-based spine-retrieval type of stuff. It was fun and it was funny...and if we did that today, I have to assume we all would have ended up arrested and in some kind of psychiatric facility.
It's the only conclusion I can draw as America begins to build a tradition of penalizing, and in some cases further traumatizing, children for playing make believe in any way that includes a gun or a bomb. But to really get into a situation where stupid adults take some innocuous creativity by a child and use it as a springboard to absolutely mess with that child's state of mind, we must go to Alabama.
A Mobile, Ala., mom says school officials forced her daughter to sign a contract promising not to commit suicide or harm others after the kindergartner "drew something that resembled a gun," then pointed a crayon at another kid and said "pew, pew!" 5-year-old Elizabeth was sent home after school officials made her take a questionnaire to evaluating [sic] her for suicidal thoughts, then had her sign the safety contract promising to contact an adult if she was thinking of suicide or homicide. This all happened while her mom waited in the lobby to pick her up, the upset parent told WPMI.Okay, everyone stop what you're doing right now and seriously think about this for a moment. A public elementary school in the United States, an agent for the public good, coerced a five year old into signing a contract promising not to goddamn off herself because she "pew-pewed" with a crayon. You know, that same thing most of us did as children? The thing where you take some object and point it like a gun and make a cartoon noise? Yeah, a five year old was confronted with the concept of suicide by the school over that.
According to her mom, Elizabeth didn't know most of the words on the contract she signed. "Suicide," in particular, was a new one for her.Holy hell, to foist that upon a child so young is insane.
"Mommy, daddy, what is suicide?" Elizabeth's mother says she asked.
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- how do they propose to enforce the contract?
- what penalties would they apply if she breached the contract?
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"Contract" is one of those educationese words that don't mean the same thing as in the real world. (Another favorite of mine is "rubric".)
In educationese, "contract" means "pledge", sort of. It'something you're pressured to agree to in exchange for nothing, with no stated penalties for breach (but horrible implied ones having to do with your immortal soul).
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I remember being a kid (not as young as this one) and being presented with a couple of these "contracts". They're a bit of a joke, and the kids know they're a bit of a joke. They're just some nonsense that you have to sign to get the grownups to stop bothering you.
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Some of us adults seem to have forgotten what is to be a child. Essentially they achieved nothing with this kiid and probably a lawsuit from her parents.
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We've had an entire generation of this now, and it shows. This is why people are so surprised now when they discover that adult contracts actually have legal consequences -- that's not taught too much in schools.
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I got an idea. Lets make everyone sign a contract not to break the law.that will convince everyone to abide by it and no one will ever break anymore laws.
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Nothing on earth dumber than a school administrator
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I'd still hold them to it. If they're going to pretend this nonsense is a contract and make my kid sign it, then I'd hoist them up on the petard of contract law and make them look stupid at a minimum.
> (minors can't enter into legal contracts).
Not exactly true. They can under certain circumstances. This not being one of them, of course.
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Imagine if little George Lucas lived today? Star Wars would be killed in the first pew-pews...
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Well, Oregon DEFINITELY doesn't have that. They don't even trust you enough to pump your own gas.
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That's an unfair characterization. It's not about lack of trust at all. The reason that Oregon doesn't allow you to pump your own gas is because that's the way Oregon residents want it. The gas stations badly want the law to be overturned, but every time it gets put up for a vote (this happens frequently), the people want to keep things the way they are. There are a number of reasons for that, none of which have anything to do with trust.
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> gas isn't one of them. The locals see it as a way
> to create jobs for young and/or poor people. Sure,
> we pay more for gas, but the benefits to society
> of having less unemployment seem to be worth it.
Well, hell, with that rationale, imagine all the other jobs that could be created if we just forced people to let others do the most mundane tasks in our lives!
"I'm sorry, sir, but you can't carry your purchase out of the store. You have pay this kid to take it to your car for you so we can keep the local teens employed."
"Ma'am, we're going to have to ask you to stop watering/mowing your own lawn. You see, we have a lot of poor people here in town and they need a job, so you'll have to pay someone to tend to your yard for you."
The permutations are endless!
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And you don't pay or tip the gas attendants extra. The cost is built into the purchase. They don't accept tips.
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Like they just have a stack of these forms in a drawer somewhere in case this happens?
Who wants to bet this was some district school wide mandate for any student, with the obvious aim being towards middle school and high school students. And because school teachers and administrators want zero tolerance because that means they can always fall back on "not my fault I was only following the rules" this form was handed to a 5 year old.
Seriously bizarrely stupid on all levels.
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But you can punish attempted suicide. With the death penalty.
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Sure, you may end up dead anyway, but every serious attempt at suicide I've ever heard about is quicker and less painful than execution by lethal injection.
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As she puts it, it's harder than you think to actually kill somebody (even yourself). Even (or especially) if your method of choice is a gun. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a significant chance that you'll survive it -- and any serious attempt means that you've done yourself very serious damage.
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I wonder what is wrong with a plain old massive overdose of morphine? That's not hard to get. What does your wife say?
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The mentality of the people having that child sign this kind of nonsense is most repulsive. It sure feels like they only did this to avoid that parade of horribles called liability. It's akin to corporations whose services' terms of service are designed to say "we'll screw you over, take a hands-off approach when called out, and keep our hands clean."
It's very telling. This is the culture and mentality foisted upon the common folk.
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"... including but not limited to ... "
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A minor can't agree to a contract
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This stupid crap is happening everywhere! Not just alabama... this is all the result of leftist ideologies.
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Sure you can find crazy righties running around too... but keep in mind. school back int he day was more to the right now its more to the left without any doubt. Just because the state is largely right politically does not have any bearing here.
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AHAHAHAHA, HAHA... oh, wait, you're serious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
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But if you're going to bring up politics, I thought alabama was almost entirely republican.
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I think everyone knows that a states primary political leaning has very little impact on how left or right their local schools are. Sure there are crazy rightist crap too, but you have far more stupid from the left on these things.
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If you had said colleges are generally more to the left, you might have not sounded like you were just trying to bash the lefties.
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Humanity is a hugely hypocritical species. Both the left and the right talk smack against generalizations until it serves their purposes. But there are things the are more often attributed to either side. For example...
The right talks up religious freedom, but also supported blue laws. The left preaches tolerance but are intolerant of any other ideologies not of them.
The left constantly upholds their side as the intellectual superior despite the majority of their votes coming from an electorate they constantly harp on for being under educated.
The right will bitch about voter fraud while not being concerned over the innocent people on death row or being incarcerated.
Both are corporate whores, and the majority of Americans are cowards that are busy forgiving only in favor of their party in power rather than expunging the corrupt people out of fear that the other side might win if they do it.
George Washington's farewell address, go and read it, you can learn how I feel about the party, left vs right, and geo political BS that abounds. This is why I feel it is important to talk about the crap that either side gives us... talking about each sides problems helps to break down barriers not build them up. Not talking about them and acting like they are not there is exactly what keeps them going.
Like all the rest of you here that want to admonish me, really just like to run your mouths and ultimately do nothing to solve any problems and try to avoid any real conversation to resolve problems.
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But none of this matters because the discussions about this article aren't an effective place for effecting the change you seem to want to pursue. You're complaining that people are just using a discussion forum for discussing things. That's like complaining that people are eating in a restaurant.
I recommend taking some sociology courses at a university or join an activist group if you're looking for like-minded people with whom you can pursue that change.
In the social change and stratification courses I took in college, I learned that significant social and political change is usually effected by organized groups of people who apply specific kinds of pressure upon those in power (not necessarily politicians) to make the situation such that they find it to be in their own best interest to allow the change to occur, while the activists also do not disrupt the daily lives of the people who are already either on their side or presently apathetic too much because too much disruption of possible allies leads them to put effort into opposing you. It also takes a lot of failed efforts and patience typically.
You also don't know what anyone here might do IRL that involves fighting for change, so you can't just outright dismiss anyone who isn't saying the same thing as you as liking to run their mouths.
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I'm actually of the opinion that attributing general human failings to a political affiliation worsens the partisan divide. "Politics" is very damaging. Call out individuals on their failings, rather than fueling non-productive bickering. There should be no sides to matters of governance, and reinforcing that mentality just makes it more difficult for rational debate to be had.
So, yes, please pretend that there are no sides in our country.
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However, the political leanings of the area covered by the school district have a great deal to do with it. Where I live, school districts in more liberal areas tend to lean left, and school districts in the more conservative areas tend to lean right.
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I said the state over all has very little political influence because of what you just said... the local area tends to have a larger impact. But it is also not a mistake to realize that Central Gov & Teacher Unions have a large impact globally and even when a local school is largely right there are still plenty of left influences to counter this a lot whereas a left lean generally will not have the counter of a right lean.
Both sides can learn from the other by pointing out the problems, instead of getting all butt hurt and screaming when a problem is pointed out, which I know is a very default reaction, but just like anything else, something we need to over come!
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To be honest, I'm not convinced that this is actually a problem, or at least, that it's a large enough problem to make a big stink about it. It's a natural outgrowth of the rationale behind having local school districts in the first place: so that the schools operate in a way that is consistent with the local community's sensibilities.
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Facepalm!
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Did you hit yourself in the face because it was a revelation for you?
I am certainly welcome for you to provide how this would not be leftist in nature. Last time I checked most people on the right do not flip out cause their kid drew a gun or bomb.. or even played cowboys and indians or emulated something they saw on TV.
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I've now read this sentence three times and I can't figure out what kind of English this is supposed to be. As for leftist/right-wing, this story is apolitical. I can't understand why anyone would think that the world needs to be divided into left/right on every last stupid thing....
"Last time I checked most people on the right do not flip out cause their kid drew a gun or bomb."
You're kidding me w/this, right? The right wing has multiple time lost their collective shit over anything to do w/Islam in schools, suggesting that it's linked to terrorism and whatnot. Terrorism = violence, by guns or bombs. You're wrong.
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Regarding Muslims. I don't remember anyone going to a Muslim child and forcing them to sign a contract to not blow up the school. Do you?
Considering human history in its entirety, there is more cause for concern with a religion being controlled by crazy priests than kids drawing guns.
This is humanity, be it Muslim, Christian, or Buddhism... any group being lead by crazy is not healthy. Unfortunately too many Muslims are being lead by crazy currently and hopefully that can change in the future. Stay tuned...
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Take a look in the mirror. He may not be the most politically sane person I know (who the fuck is entirely sane at all?) but he's spot on in this one.
Regarding Muslims. I don't remember anyone going to a Muslim child and forcing them to sign a contract to not blow up the school. Do you?
Way to miss the point. He's talking about the collective freak out against Muslims for no reason other than overreaction.
Considering human history in its entirety, there is more cause for concern with a religion being controlled by crazy priests than kids drawing guns.
Really. But the school is full of leftist commies right? Stop, you are making a fool of yourself.
This is humanity, be it Muslim, Christian, or Buddhism... any group being lead by crazy is not healthy.
Indeed. Except there's no crazy leadership for Muslims, just some minority that goes to extremes (hellooo left/right wackos!!!)
Unfortunately too many Muslims are being lead by crazy currently
More Muslims disagree with some sort of religious profiling than Christians or Jewish. Search for it. I was pretty amused by that fact myself.
Again, you should review your things.
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No. It just means you're a shitty writer. Apparently you're even worse at reading comprehension because the rest of the sentence reads "... what kind of English this is."
And Dark Helmet is correct: this kind of shit is FAR more often spawned from ideologies on the right.
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Speaking as a confirmed leftist, this is not just wrong, but insanely wrong.
Alabama is, in case you haven't been paying attention for the last century or so, religious, conservative, racist, misogynist, xenophobic and bigoted. Not everyone, of course, but as a state, it's one of the most regressive and -- not coincidentally -- it is consistently ranked as having the worst or next-to-worst school system out of all 50 states. (Sometimes Mississippi edges it out for this "honor".)
So if you're going to insist on a crackpot theory that this stupidity is based in leftist political sentiment, then you're completely out of your mind, because this happened in a state that is about as right-wing as they get. (Jebus, have you been there? There are people still fighting the Civil War and flying the Confederate flag and trying to get their slaves back and well, pretty much living in 1860. Yes, REALLY.)
It's obvious to the rest of us that this is based in stupidity, which owes no political allegiance and exists in great quantities at all levels in the structures of government. The people who abused this child simply weren't smart enough to consider what would be appropriate (I vote for "do nothing") and what the consequences of their actions would be.
And that's IT. Your attempts to recast this as an outgrowth of ideology are not only horribly misguided, they're also becoming tiresome.
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*facepalm*
The world is doomed.
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... a highly litigious society with a propensity toward violence, and the inevitable result of the inflexible zero tolerance policies that have been put in to deflect financial and legal liability away from the school board as a result.
Fixed that for people who aren't partisan morons who think that politics is a team game.
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There is a major business stealing money from people every time they do business with them.
And when asked which business this is... the response is... a MAJOR business.
Sorry no win for you, you just might be the moron... I am not partisan either... I just call it like it is. Lawyers which swell the ranks of Congress and the left more frequently than the right are of this.
I think those of you whom call this partisan are the most partisan of all, just like those whom decry tolerance are the most intolerant! And your staunch defense of the left is actually making it more of a partisan problem thereby exacerbating it and conflating it beyond what I intend.
Stupidity such as this are part and parcel for all walks of life, and calling each walk out on that stupidity is important! I give no pass to the left or the right... in this case its a leftist problem, so own up! When its time to pick on the right I will do so then as well.
Additionally the inability to call a spade a spade is another problem on the left. If you are insulted by what I say, then you probably deserve to be.
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I'm calling a spade a spade.
It's characteristic of the right to blame the left when their ass-backwards fuckery goes wrong.
This is yet another example.
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And if you read what I said... this is DESPITE it being a red state. The central government, teachers unions, and the local area have far more impact than the state does not schools.
You are dead wrong to consider anything I said an example of this. If anything I am a centrist that would piss off both parties fairly equally with the things I say.
For example.. I think both Obama and Bush should have been impeached. Bush for the DHS/Patriot Act and response to 9/11 and Obama for taking all of the Bush policies even further and trying to dismantle America.
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Sure.
Just like Fox News is "Fair and Balanced."
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This is not leftist. It is brainless, as in whoever came up with this couldn't be bothered to think even five seconds ahead of themselves.
I guess now all the great cartoons I loved when I was growing up are now going to be held from viewing before 11:00 PM. Bugs Bunny, Marvin The Martian, Elmer Fudd, Foghorn Leghorn (Loud-mouthed Schnook), Roadrunner & Wile E. Coyote, all held to be encouraging sociopathic behaviour.
Home schooling is looking more necessary every day, and they're probably trying to figure out how to illegalize that too.
gawd help these kids when they're old enough to walk into a public library by themselves. Instant trauma central!
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This is definately not of any person with the left leaning. Nor is it something that any compassionate,loving administrator would come up with. It is the hate filled garbage we hear coming from the Republican party. The political ads we see on TV are full of this type of garbage. None of them say what they would like to do for the good of our country, just how awful their opponents are.
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Good for her!
She will grow into a good citizen and servant of her corporate masters.
I am sure that the medieval devils are envious: they needed to have contracts signed in blood in order to gain power over life, death and afterlife.
Today's kids are to feel bound just the same by signing their life and death away with ink.
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Someone please go on Google and see if there is a single documented case of a five year old committing suicide. If No, then it is a safe bet that one of us in this meeting is just a moron. If yes, then lets do the stupid thing.
It doesn't matter anyway, because this little girl had forgotten this incident by the time first recess was over. Time to draw one of those big guns daddy like so much. Yea, 2nd Amendment. Oh, what's an amendment? I'm just five.
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At what point...
A) Does a 5 year old have any concept of killing someone, let alone themselves? Has there EVER been a reported incident of a 5 year old deliberately committing suicide?
B) A five year old is not 18, so anything they sign is a worthless piece of paper.
C) What type of moron puts the type of idiots who don't understand A&B in charge of teaching monkeys, let alone children.
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In my area school boards are elected.
Like other elections we (usually) have to choose between the lesser of evils.
Unlike other elections school board members are NOT paid for their time in office.
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We should be forcing Kellogg Company to do something to make the use of Pop Tarts safer and create laws that make them pay if something does go wrong in a school.
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How does that work? A school gets a child to sign a no-suicide pact, when that child didn't even know what suicide was, violating the rights of the parents?
That's like a school deciding that it wants to end gun violence in schools, decides to get its students to sign a 'no gun' contract when the students don;t know what guns or gun violence is?
LOLS
Talk about a school administration's ridiculousness. In any event, if a student intends to commit suicide, a signed contract isn't going to exactly deter that student.
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Any wonder the usa schools are the worst in the world?
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But then we would have to take this to a national level and have all the kids sign this so the schools could get their federal money.
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Who are these numbskull parents?
School Nazi: she must zign zee paperz
Idiot Parent: ok
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School Nazi: she must zign zee paperz
Idiot Parent: excuse me while I make a call
"dad, the school principal wants my kid to sign a contract"
Dad: "wtf are you doing? man up and tell them to pound sand"
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"The Mobile County Public School System (MCPSS) is a fascist police state that routinely violates civil rights by arresting 5-year-old children for "drawing guns" and making them sign insane "anti-suicide pacts.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_County_Public_School_System
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Other noxious ideas
"You're a threat to yourself and others..so you have to wear this bracelet to help us keep better track of you."
Jesus..what have we come to as a country? Schools have too much power to inflict havoc and insanity over their charges..and they love it. They revel in their power.
Because they're the ones who recommend if a child gets drugs for controlling their behavior, suspend children for even daring to play games or think differently.
Time to fire administrators, all of them.
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LaPierre
Then they should ask him if he has a problem with being a proponent of the gun culture which created this situation.
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A contract huh
If they were to use this contract against the girl, parents, or even to protect themselves, wouldn't a judge just throw it out on the basis it was signed by a 5 year old?
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Public schools
“The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.” -- H. L. Mencken
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Child Abuse
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There are a bunch of really good things you'd get from this, but the two that are most relevant here are that you'd be able to influence school policy (even from the PTA -- remember, schools are terrified of parents) and that you'd have advance warning of any really objectionable policies the school has or is putting into place, so you know when the time is right to pull your child out.
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Very interesting comment.
Maybe this touches the real heart of the problem: Should it be easy?
Or should school board members be thoroughly vetted in order to weed out potential idiots who would likely support zero tolerance policies in an effort to avoid both critical thinking and personal responsibility?
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No, it should not. But the reason for the ease of it is that there are so few candidates. Most school board seats are elected positions, and most candidates run unopposed.
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oh my ...
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While they were at it
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The usual planning for a 0.000001% chance
Will a 5 year-old kill herself? No, but the school has to have liability protection just in case. Though like everyone else is saying, 5 year-olds can't legally sign contracts since they don't even have the mental capacity to understand what a contract means.
I agree that it's past time people stood up to insane policies and administrators.
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Death of Common Sense
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Re: Death of Common Sense
No, full-on over-reaction.
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Halloween Attraction
"Inside The Liberal Mind".
Guaranteed to scare the s*** out of you.
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5 year old
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Public School - Long Time Bastion of the Left
US schools have become more and more indoctrination camps of Leftist hate: hate of white males, hate of Western democracy, hate of Western civilization, hate of heterosexuality, hate of parental rights (school officials can't give minor girls an aspirin without parental consent, but can take them secretly for abortions), hate of Christianity, etc.
It's hard to find a more dedicated institution, funded by tax dollars, dedicated to undermining Western democratic institutions and traditions. The Public Schools are bastions of Leftist policy and have been for decades. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a head buried deeply in the sand. Thank God for the counter-conformity movement of private schools and home schooling.
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But ironically, those who fight for cultural revolution will some day find themselves defending against it's onslaught when the revolutionaries turn and start attacking them for their own way of thinking. Isn't it odd how the people who fought for --and benefited from-- the civil rights for racial minorities campaigns in the 1960s are among the most stubborn resisters of civil rights for sexual/gender minorities today.
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Re: Public School - Long Time Bastion of the Left
I could transpose this entire rant back 150 years to a Confederate newspaper with minimal changes and it would be exactly the same attitude.
As a European centrist (so waaaaay left by US Fascist standards) the left doesnt' hate "white males, Western democracy, Western civilisation, heterosexuals, parental rights, or Christianity".
We hate racist attitudes and undeserved feelings of superiority, we hate abuse of democracy and the constant rise of totalitarianism (on both sides), we hate the abuses of Western civilisation as much as we hate the abuses of Eastern, African and Middle Eastern civilisation (but we live in the West...); we hate heterosexuals thinking they are the only correct/non-sinful option [and I'm straight]; we hate abuse of any rights, be they governmental, corporate, religious or parental; and we hate religions who not only do not practice what they preach, but cannot preach accurately what their religion advocates - and also want to ram it down everyone else's throats.
We are against hypocrisy and discrimination and hatred and war-mongering and the corporate takeover of society and disenfranchisement and the removal of social protections and the destruction of public health.
This doesn't excuse stupidty in all directions, with political correctness getting tangled up in an over-litigious society, but seriously, you Americans really really really really love to live in fear - of terrorists, blacks, the gub-mint, or of not having your penis substitutes. Grow the hell up.
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And I bet the teachers were very smug and concerned!
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Now just a goldang minute, there!
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Where did you get that idea?
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It's A Red Neck State People!
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COWARD or Anonymous Coward
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Machinery Report
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Proxy
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HDMI Switch
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